mexican american war outcome

General Zod

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what was the most amount of land we could of got?

The very most was All of Mexico. Mexico was utterly defeated at the end of the war, all you need is the political will in the USA to get more land. There was a substantial movement in the Congress and the US public to annex Mexico outright as a territory. It was defeated since the anti-slavery movement did not want to give the Southerners even more space to expand slavery into (a mistake on their part, such expansion would have substantially failed since Mexicans were anti-slavery and freesoilers were quite able to outcontest the West to the slaveholders as Kansa and Nebraska showed, if anything Mexican states would have been a substantial help to the Union in the ACW, giving the Confederacy a second front) and the Southerners themselves had second thoughts because their racist hearts worried about eventually having to give US citizenship to indioes and half-bloods. You need to weaken these concerns sufficiently, or have some occur that persuades the Americans that Mexico is going to be a long-term recurrent threat to them (e.g. a much-publicized massacre of US war prisoners).

Alternatively, the Guadalupe-Hidalgo treaty itself was negotiated by an half-rogue US diplomat that outstepped his mandate and tried to mollify the deal to the Mexicans somewhat, US President Polk was rather PO and half-thought to renege it, OTL he eventually thought it was a sufficiently good compromise and endorsed it. Have him do renege the treaty, and send another, official delegation to claim more extensive territorial gains. Maybe not All of Mexico in this case, but a good alternative would have been the 22° Parallel.

Another alternative: Soon after the break away of Texas, there were two other secessionist republics, Rio Grande (1840) and Yucatan, which sought US help for its independence and were fairly pro-US. OTL, such help was lukewarm, and Rio Grande quarreled with Texas over territory, so even Texas did not help them decisively, and Mexico reannexed them swiftly. Have the US Government be more energetic in supporting them, or Rio Grande be more deferent to Texas about the Neuces-Rio Grande claim, so Texas will help them win. Advance to 1845, both Texas and Rio Grande successfully plead for US statehood, which will PO Mexico and precipitate the war. Rio Grande's territory extended down to Tampico, therefore in such a case the most natural thing for US will be to prolong that boundary to the Pacific, which again roughly follows the 22° Parallel. If Yucatan is still independent, they will claim statehood, too, which will mean even more territory for the USA.
 
Wasn't there a second Delegation on the way, with orders to seek the Top three states C--C & Sonora, except the Guadalupe-Hidalgo treaty was signed before they arrived.

There is a nice AH story based on this with Pancho Villa being TR's running Mate in 1904.
 
Wasn't there a second Delegation on the way, with orders to seek the Top three states C--C & Sonora, except the Guadalupe-Hidalgo treaty was signed before they arrived.

There is a nice AH story based on this with Pancho Villa being TR's running Mate in 1904.

C--C is Baja California and Chihuahua, right?

I *just* read a post that the Rio Grande states bordering America were not as wanted due to having an actual sizable Mexican population in them...maybe it was in the pre-1900 maps thread. So just those three states, and not the ones below Texas, would have been easy pickings for sure. Besides, I believe there's part of the Sierra Madre there to still form a natural-ish border with Mexico alongside the Rio Grande.
 

General Zod

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Wasn't there a second Delegation on the way, with orders to seek the Top three states C--C & Sonora, except the Guadalupe-Hidalgo treaty was signed before they arrived.

Yep, and Polk, despite being quite PO at the rogue diplomat that signed G-H, ultimately deemed that endorsing it was smpler than reneging it and bullying another one with the chaotic political mess that was defeated Mexico. Reverse this decision, and you have more territory for the US.

There is a nice AH story based on this with Pancho Villa being TR's running Mate in 1904.

Here on this forum ? Perchance you remember the title, to search it ?
 

General Zod

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C--C is Baja California and Chihuahua, right?

I *just* read a post that the Rio Grande states bordering America were not as wanted due to having an actual sizable Mexican population in them...maybe it was in the pre-1900 maps thread.

That population was nothing that US settlers would not have been able to outbreed only slightly less easily than they did in Texas or California, had those territories been separated from the rest of Mexico. Native Mexicans would have been a true problem only if they annexed the southern portion, from Mexico City downward.

Anyway, in order to get both the Rio Grande states and their western analogues, one could always use the Republic of Rio Grande PoD which I described upward. Had it survived, it would have surely become a southern clone of Texas, Yankee settlers swiftly drowning out the natives.
 
While we're at it on another more wankish America-in-Mexican American-War outcome; would the Americans Anglicize names more? After all, they already took a lot of Spanish-named land already OTL, and surely even more will lead to some renaming of sorts with the admittedly 'white-race superior' tone Americans had at the time.

I say this because most French and Amerindian names in North America not Quebec are usually Anglicized to some extent, but found it odd the captured Mexican lands never really were.
 
The only border territory which had a really substantial Mexican population at this time was Nuevo Leon, I believe.
 
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