Men have menaupause

So Impotence and Osteoporosis, combined with a fuckload of psychosomatic symptoms?
You're fucking evil man.
Edit: But this might be taken as a sign that one has become a wise and venerable adult in the eyes of society, but it still lacks a solid biological reason.


it's still listed as Men have menaupause.


I just find elderly men reproducing unfair to elderly women who no longer have the ability to reproduce..
 
It is certainly an interesting idea, but it would need a POD in deep biological time. Our whole species wopuld look different, of course, and it is hard to say whether it would have evolved at all, but can you imagine a society where men at a certain age mellowed and became moastly bound up with childrearing? Younger males would tolerate them because they wouldn't pose a threat. The idea of non-procreative sex would be around from the dawn of humankind. And with the social power they could still wield, there's a good chance we'd never end up with our pathological glorification of egotism and violence.
 
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NothingNow

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I just find elderly men reproducing unfair to elderly women who no longer have the ability to reproduce..
Yeah, about that,
You do know that the one zipcode with the highest STI rates in my Home State happens to be a massive retirement community right? No-one gives a crap about reproducing, they just fuck way more than anyone wants to admit, or is really comfortable thinking about.
 
It is certainly an interesting idea, but it would need a POD in deep biological time. Our whole species wopuld look different, of course, and it is hard to say whether it would have evolved at all, but can you imagine a society where men at a certain age mellowed and became moastly bound up with childrearing? Younger males would tolerate them because they wouldn't pose a threat. The idea of non-procreative sex would be around from the dawn of humankind. And with the social power they could still wield, there's a good chance we'd never end up with out pathological glorification of egotism and violence.
I agree, I just think ITTL, women and men are more equal compared to OTL.
 
Is it possible for both men and women or both female and male mammals to stop having the ability to reproduce at a certain age, what would be the Evolutionary POD for that to happen.

I kinda hate to say this, but......1-800-ASB-POST.

I just don't think it's all that possible, due to how humans evolved, and if things did turn out differently we might not recognize human men as we know them, I'd think.
 

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I agree, I just think ITTL, women and men are more equal compared to OTL.

Women and men aren't equal. Equality is a social construct (albeit a useful one) which has no place in evolutionary biology. Males and females in sexual species are bound to have some major differences, especially when it comes to things like menopause, which relate to reproductive function.

In other words, no, it's ASB/-impossible that human males would have developed an equivalent to menopause, as such an adaptation would be disadvantageous to a species and therefore selected against.

Also, it's "unfair" that men don't go through "menaupause", and therefore you want to explore a completely ludicrous situation in which males evolve a physiological response unique to females, which would provide no benefit whatsoever if applied to males? This topic is childish.
 
In other words, no, it's ASB/-impossible that human males would have developed an equivalent to menopause, as such an adaptation would be disadvantageous to a species and therefore selected against.

That's not a given at all. We know both through sperm analysis and quantitative studies that older fathers produce children with genetic defects far more regularly than younger fathers do. This stays true when statistically controlled for the age of the mother, usually thought to be the main determining factor. A society that functions like that of many social primates - which is as early as we have to see that adaptation - could benefit from a situation where older males can safely remain in the group rather than being forced to compete with larger and more aggressive younger males. It might be conducive to larger group-sizes and produce greater cultural benefits as the males beyond reproductive age would not be a problem from the point of view of the angry young chimp.

You really don't need manmy sexually active males to keep a population going. If they weren't so useful as fighting forces and labour, a human society could function with a small number of males. Taking the elderly out of the procreation game wouldn't have much of an impact.
 
If you don't mind me saying, I don't think this is, well, historical. Shouldn't this be in, say, Chat?
Threads with biological and certainly pre-historical PoDs are a pretty common sight in Before 1900. One of the most popular timelines on AH.com, Lands of Red and Gold, has a biological PoD.

And since history also conventionally begins with the invention of writing, I hope that doesn't mean that all threads with PoDs before then should be somewhere else.
 
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