Members of the Progressive Party from 1912 to beyond?

What if Theodore Roosevelt won the 1912 President Election and established his Progressive Party as a major faction in US Politics, alongside the Democrats and the shrunken Republicans.

Would any notable politicians from 1912 all the way up to modern day change from their original party to the Progressive Party? Who would be their Presidential nominees in future elections when/if ol Teddy decides not to run/to the modern day?
 
Well, with the Republican party killed, its members would probably split to the two major parties. Since progressivism was once a trait to be found in both parties, the Republican progressives who hadn't already left would. Roosevelt would probably also try to siphon the Democratic progressives into his new party. The Big Business Republicans would probably either stay where they were or try & take over the humiliated Democrats.
But the real interesting idea concerns the First World War. Theodore, being an established interventionist, would probably join the War at the first opportunity. If he decides to make Woodrow Wilson his Secretary of State, they might be able to establish his 14 Points more firmly.
 
Why on Earth would he do that?

Wilson was a leading progressive.

Appointing a cabinet could be difficult according to my (mis?)understanding of the US constitution, does it not require some level of congressional approval?

There were only 9 Progressives elected to the House - even in a scenario where Roosevelt eked out a victory I can't see them getting all that many more elected, compromise with Congress will be necessary.

I'm not saying that would lead to a Wilsonian appointment - I would think regardless that Roosevelt must have had very definite opinions regarding the just outcome of the war. I am under the impression that, in contrast to Wilson's love of small nations, Roosevelt was more enamoured of large empires. I would be interested if anyone with more knowledge could shed light on the topic.
 
But the real interesting idea concerns the First World War. Theodore, being an established interventionist, would probably join the War at the first opportunity. If he decides to make Woodrow Wilson his Secretary of State, they might be able to establish his 14 Points more firmly.


He'd never do it, and Wilson would never accept. The two men detested one another.

Incidentally, how is TR supposed to have won? He had strong appeal to a section of the Republican party, but little or none to Democrats (even Progressive ones) save perhaps in the west. He'd have to squeeze Taft down below the 10% mark, which sounds wildly unlikely.
 
What if Theodore Roosevelt won the 1912 President Election and established his Progressive Party as a major faction in US Politics, alongside the Democrats and the shrunken Republicans.

Would any notable politicians from 1912 all the way up to modern day change from their original party to the Progressive Party? Who would be their Presidential nominees in future elections when/if ol Teddy decides not to run/to the modern day?

It is really hard to see how TR could win the presidency as a third party candidate. (I could certainly see him winning if he got the GOP nomination.) He just did not get enough support from Democrats. Remember, Bryan's showing in 1908 was considered very poor, yet he only lost to Taft by 51.6-43.0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1908 This means that all a Democrat had to do was hold on to *most* of the core Democratic vote to win, with the normal GOP vote divided between Taft and TR. (For that matter, the Democrats had won control of the House against a *united* Republican Party in 1910!) In fact, I think TR's OTL showing, though far behind Wilson in both popular and electoral votes, was better than it would have been had he not been shot:

"By October, the Bull Moose party showed signs of following the traditional route of American third parties, of proving less potent in November than in August. Three weeks before the election, however, the party received a figurative and almost literal shot in the arm, when a would-be assassin wounded its candidate during a Milwaukee speech. Roosevelt, with his unfailing sense of the dramatic, finished the speech before going off for a two-week stay in the hospital. In an election already decided, his gallantry doubtless reaped a large sympathy vote. 'This shooting will help TR directly by stopping his talking,' assessed Brandeis. 'There seemed to be very strong evidence of an ebbing tide before.' In a probably exaggerated estimate, one Democrat suggesting that the assailant, 'instead of murdering the intrepid Teddy...shot about a million votes into him.'" David Sarasohn, *The Party of Reform: Democrats in the Progressive Era*, p. 148. See my discussion at https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.history.what-if/ZuaG52rwI8c/56xafvBi20QJ

The only thing I can think of that could elect TR would be some terrible last-minute scandal uncovered regarding Wilson or whoever the Democrats nominated. But if TR won because of that, his victory would probably be considered a fluke, and Democrats and Republicans in Congress would see little need to change their party affiliations. (Presumably there would be more than the 13 congressmen elected as Progressives in OTL, but probably not very many more. Observers at the time noted that the Progressive vote had "an 'inverted pyramid aspect.' It is largest at the top and 'tapers down very fast.'" https://books.google.com/books?id=FJ5FAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA997 This is not *totally* fair--two Progressive candidates for governor, Albert J. Beveridge in Indiana and Oscar Straus in New York, won more votes than TR in their states--but in general the Progressives did lag behind TR in down-ballot races.)
 
It is really hard to see how TR could win the presidency as a third party candidate. (I could certainly see him winning if he got the GOP nomination.) He just did not get enough support from Democrats. Remember, Bryan's showing in 1908 was considered very poor, yet he only lost to Taft by 51.6-43.0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1908 This means that all a Democrat had to do was hold on to *most* of the core Democratic vote to win, with the normal GOP vote divided between Taft and TR. (For that matter, the Democrats had won control of the House against a *united* Republican Party in 1910!) In fact, I think TR's OTL showing, though far behind Wilson in both popular and electoral votes, was better than it would have been had he not been shot:

"By October, the Bull Moose party showed signs of following the traditional route of American third parties, of proving less potent in November than in August. Three weeks before the election, however, the party received a figurative and almost literal shot in the arm, when a would-be assassin wounded its candidate during a Milwaukee speech. Roosevelt, with his unfailing sense of the dramatic, finished the speech before going off for a two-week stay in the hospital. In an election already decided, his gallantry doubtless reaped a large sympathy vote. 'This shooting will help TR directly by stopping his talking,' assessed Brandeis. 'There seemed to be very strong evidence of an ebbing tide before.' In a probably exaggerated estimate, one Democrat suggesting that the assailant, 'instead of murdering the intrepid Teddy...shot about a million votes into him.'" David Sarasohn, *The Party of Reform: Democrats in the Progressive Era*, p. 148. See my discussion at https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.history.what-if/ZuaG52rwI8c/56xafvBi20QJ

The only thing I can think of that could elect TR would be some terrible last-minute scandal uncovered regarding Wilson or whoever the Democrats nominated. But if TR won because of that, his victory would probably be considered a fluke, and Democrats and Republicans in Congress would see little need to change their party affiliations. (Presumably there would be more than the 13 congressmen elected as Progressives in OTL, but probably not very many more. Observers at the time noted that the Progressive vote had "an 'inverted pyramid aspect.' It is largest at the top and 'tapers down very fast.'" https://books.google.com/books?id=FJ5FAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA997 This is not *totally* fair--two Progressive candidates for governor, Albert J. Beveridge in Indiana and Oscar Straus in New York, won more votes than TR in their states--but in general the Progressives did lag behind TR in down-ballot races.)
I never thought about the sympathy vote aspect from the assassination attempt. Hm, I wonder how much better Taft would have done if Teddy had never been shot.
 
I never thought about the sympathy vote aspect from the assassination attempt. Hm, I wonder how much better Taft would have done if Teddy had never been shot.

Can't be certain but it probably cost him second place, at least on the popular vote.

The Electoral College might be another matter. A stronger Taft showing could cost Roosevelt CA, MN and PA, but the beneficiary would probably be Wilson rather that Taft himself. OTOH a weaker showing by TR could tip ID, WY and one or two New England states into the Taft column..
 
Hiram Johnson and the LaFolette's spring to mind.

Well, Johnson was TR's running mate, so presumably he would support the party! "Fighting Bob" La Follette, OTOH, did not like TR at all. In fact, La Follette's refusal to support TR in 1912 is one of the many reasons TR was so unlikely to win as a third-party candidate: he didn't even have the support of all *insurgent* Republicans.
 
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