Mein Sieg: A Successful Third Reich

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  1. Threadmarks: Introduction

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    MEIN SIEG
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    a History of the Third Reich and the World from 1939-present
    Edited by Brad Richard


    There is no doubt that the post-WW1 world revolves around The Third Reich and its relationship with other countries, namely the Western Powers who they fought against in WW2, which turned into a "Cold War". This book tries to sum up the history of this era of human civilisation concisely and precisely.
     
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    Eh, why not. I'm always a sucker for Große Halle.

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  3. Threadmarks: The Polish War (Sept. 1939 to Nov. 1939)

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    The Polish War (Sept. 1939 to Nov. 1939)


    On the first of September 1939, Germany invaded Poland. The night before on the 31st, the Germans staged an attack on a German radio station, including playing a short anti-German message in Polish and killing a man as a casus belli, claiming that Polish soldiers were to blame. Even before a formal declaration of war German troops still invaded Poland on the 1st, being able to take the Free City of Danzig on the first day, as well as many border towns and much of the Polish Corridor. Poland's reaction was mixed, since France and the United Kingdom had not issued an ultimatum many were considering surrender as most knew that the Germans intended to not just occupy the Polish corridor but the entirety of Poland, so peace in exchange for the corridor was not an option. Eventually, even though most knew it would end in defeat, they decided to keep fighting, which was supported by the population.

    This was immediately denounced by the United Kingdom and France, who were Poland’s main allies. Albert Lebrun, President of France proposed a declaration of war to Neville Chamberlain, pointing out that this was not Germany's first expansion. Neville Chamberlain immediately rejected the proposal although promised that the next nation Germany invades will immediately be protected and supported by the two nations. Lebrun disagreed with Chamberlain's pacifist mindset but understood that going to war alone would mean the end of France. This led to the Polish government and citizens having resentment and even hatred towards the western powers for "betraying" Poland in the face of a war. In the future this would be seen as a mistake due to future expansion by Germany. Adolf Hitler expected this from the UK and France so he continued his invasion of Poland using his blitzkrieg technique (lightning war). On the 3rd of September Britain and France assured the independence of Denmark, Luxembourg, Belgium and the Netherlands.

    German advance was unseen before, the speed and tactics of the German army was fast and efficient, encircling the Polish armies and moving forward, securing the places they capture quickly. The fast advance of the Germans lowered the morale of the polish people but kept fighting, however due to the horrible disorganization and low supplies of the Polish, their determination didn’t keep them from losing. Most Polish defense plans, for example encircling the germans, were proven useless against blitzkrieg, which moved fast and quickly maneuvered, which destroyed Polish defenses that were under the assumption that the opposing forces needed to still mobilise.

    On the 17th of September the USSR declared war on Poland and took advantage of all the Polish military being in the west, therefore being able to take land with virtually no opposition. This led to talks within the Polish government arising once again about surrendering. While many were against surrendering as it was seen as dishonour to Poland and the Polish people to give up them to the Russians and Germans, but most agreed that surrendering now would be less suffering than to continue to fight. The peace was made official on the 20th of September, with the Russians and Germans agreeing to a border, roughly on the same longitude as Lwów (now called Lemburg) as agreed upon the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. The British and French populace were outraged at their respective government’s neglect to do anything about the invasion of Poland. This led to trouble for Neville Chamberlain in the UK 1939 general election, where the Conservative Party replaced Chamberlain with popular WW1 former First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill, who promised a tough stance against Germany and to make sure “the Nazis don’t make another move”. The Conservative Party won the election and Churchill became prime minister.
     
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  4. Poach Well-Known Member

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    Everyone likes a good WW2 alt-history!
     
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  5. BigVic Well-Known Member

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    Axis victory timelines are very popular on AH.com Post 1900 threads.
     
  6. Tannenberg Well-Known Member

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    So, since Churchill is Prime Minister now he would have to carry the weight of the defeat on France if he wants the UK on the war. But why Chamberlain doesn't declare war this time?
     
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  7. Omar04 Well-Known Member

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    Is Brad Richards a actual historian? Googled him and I got a former NHL player.
     
  8. SubscribetoPewdsToday Banned

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    No, I just made up some random name.
     
  9. Gudestein Nobody wants a Notler

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    I guess that is the actual pod.
    Nice with some more explanation.
     
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  10. Threadmarks: The Winter War, invasion of the Baltics and tension in Europe (Dec. 1939 to Mar. 1940)

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    The Winter War, invasion of the Baltics and tension in Europe (Dec. 1939 to Mar. 1940)

    After the invasion of Poland, France and Britain guaranteed the independence of Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg to protect against any further German attacks. Hitler knew however that to continue with his plans of conquering Eastern Europe, the western powers would have to be dealt with, especially France, who "disgraced" Germany after WW1 and the Treaty of Versailles. Germany needed to build up its army and give time to plan for the inevitable invasion of France and the Benelux, so Hitler did not declare war instantly. 65 year old new prime-minister Winston Churchill was strongly against German expansionism and his moving speeches and propaganda helped the British people to feel the same way as him. Churchill's propaganda program was very successful, causing nationwide hatred against the Germans. An interesting fact is that some accusations that Churchill made against the Germans that were completely conjured up turned out to be true. In France Lebrun's campaign was not as successful, with most citizens feeling uneasy towards Lebrun's enthusiasm towards war. This led to Lebrun's approval rating heading downwards, reaching 23% by March 1940.

    On December 1st, 1939 Germany and the USSR jointly invaded Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. This immediately led the British populace, which Churchill had made strongly against Germany's aggressiveness, support war with Germany. However Churchill knew that if he declared war on Germany, he would have to declare war on the USSR as well since they both obviously agreed to the invasion and citizens would question why the UK is neutral towards the USSR and against Germany. As the UK would obviously not survive a war with Germany and the USSR, Winston Churchill had to play the war down and try to focus on the hate towards
    Germany than the Baltic War. The USSR and Germany used their previous tactics of steamrolling through the country and blitzkrieg respectively and it worked just as last time. By the 5th of December Estonia surrendered and the USSR fully occupied it, the next day Lithuania surrendered but was split west/east between the Germans and the Soviets. Latvia kept fighting but was eventually forced to surrender by the 11th, with Germany controlling Courland, Rie (then known as Riga) and the surrounding areas whereas the USSR took the rest. The occupied territories were practically immediately annexed.

    On the 3rd of January 1940 the USSR sent an ultimatum to Finland requesting borderlands, ports and access of military bases. As the demands were seen as unreasonable to Finland they rejected it and were declared war on. The Soviet army first made a few gains in areas near Lake Ladoga and northern Finland, but it turned into a stalemate by the 15th, with Russian troops unable to continue fighting with a lack of resources, food and ammunition and the Finnish unable to puncture the massive Soviet army. However in mid-February the Finnish started to push back as the Soviet army was tired and had little to no ammunition or resources. To take vast swathes of land in north Finland, Finland had to sacrifice the defence of Southern Finland. The USSR made large gains in Southern Finland, reaching Joensuu by the 8th of March. However the Finnish army, which had been trained in the cold landscape of Lapland, was very successful and was able to capture one quarter of Murmansk Oblast. By the 8th of March the Soviets had no choice but to make a peace treaty as any further fighting would end up worse for them. The Finns were able to gain the entirety of Murmansk Oblast, however they lost massive portions of Southern Finland, taken by the USSR to protect cities such as Leningrad and to gain more access to the sea in the Baltic area. Even though the Soviets were the clear winner in the treaty and Finalnd got mainly useless land, the Finns still had full sovereignty and kept control of their military bases, leaving no Soviet influence. The Finnish people became massively upset after the war, losing much of its territory and causing migration from the new Soviet territory to Finland. This led Finland to be more friendly to Germany, with the Nazis later drawing up plans for Finland occupation of parts of North-West Russia. Fighting with the Soviets pushed the Finns into the German's sphere of influence out of fear and protection.
     
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    Chamberlain decides that staying out of the war and letting Germany keep Poland would hopefully make them stop any further attacks (just like he thought of Czechoslovakia).
     
  12. sarahz Well-Known Member

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    hmm I cant see Chamberlain doing that and if he did the Conservative Party and other Government Parties would have had to go along with it, the UK has cabinet government,so why would they dump him, and if they did as it was that unpopular why would they call an election a year early? If they had an election in those circumstances how could they have won, especially as they would not have picked Churchill. OTL the other (non-government) parties forced that choice on the Tories. Also bear in mind the 1935 Government was not strictly a Conservative Government anyway. It was composed of three parties, so it seems unlikely that a majority could be constructed in these adverse circumstances for a Conservative only Government.
     
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    omg way was he banned?
     
  14. Vornado Well-Known Member

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    I looked at his post history. Looks like her necroed a thread from 2011. I still don't get while they banned him though. Why not a kick or warning?
     
  15. Evertonian Vox populi, vox Dei. Gone Fishin'

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    Trolling out of the gate likely.
     
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    Sockpuppetry
     
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    Even though the guy got banned, this looks like a pretty good timeline.
     
  18. The Ranger Do not feed the trolls

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    If it's not a bannable or kickable offence, someone should continue it.
     
  19. Mare Leones Banned

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    Perhaps if I get permission from the mods then I could?
     
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    Apparently it's quite a banable thread.
     
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