Meiji China

Probably i guess a major modernization of the Imperial Court from Tzu-Hsi, or the repression of the Boxer revolt form the Imperial troops could be a reasonable start; an other idea could be the success of the imperial restauration in 1917 and then modernization promoved to Pu-yi...

... After the first Opium war i don't have ideas, sorry.
 
You posted a "Chinese meiji WI" thread last fall. There have been 3 others going over the course of the past several months. Why are you starting another one?
 
Because maybe he doesn't want to bump several month old thread and wanted to create a new one to draw fresh answers and appeal from lurkers.

He might have also been annoyed at people saying "Why did you bump a dead thread bagh bagh bagh."
 
There is a Chinese mandarin who was quite famous (can't remember his name) that advocated a modernisation of the system of government, a removal of sinecures and a reduction in corruption. So if you are able to allow more power to collect into his hands then China can begin to reform - the question of how far is then up to you.
 

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It was entirely possible to industrialize China with it's first contact with the west, by the time of the Opium War the Qing is so corrupt that it is practically impossible without a sweeping of the state of corrupt elements through state sponsored eradication of the corrupt and powerful or rebellious coups. You could reasonably do this immediately following the Opium War if you give it the right divergence.
 
It was entirely possible to industrialize China with it's first contact with the west, by the time of the Opium War the Qing is so corrupt that it is practically impossible without a sweeping of the state of corrupt elements through state sponsored eradication of the corrupt and powerful or rebellious coups. You could reasonably do this immediately following the Opium War if you give it the right divergence.

So what PoD should be done with this notion, first contact industrialization?
non-restriction of trade?
 
Well they already did have a number of attempts at reforming, the two most well known being the Self-Strengthening Movement and Hundred Days Reform but unfortunately for a number of reasons these failed. If they'd been able to reform the government institutions then that would likely of lead to better conditions to encourage industrialisation. For my money I think the middle to latter part of the self-strengthening movement was their best chance to achieve things.

A timeline I've been considering is that the Empress Dowager Cixi dies in 1873 or 1874 so when the Tongzhi Emperor passes in early 1875 the Empress Dowager Ci'an suggestion of Prince Gong's son becoming Emperor is accepted. This gets you the double advantage of removing the traditionalist and corrupt influence of Cixi whilst also bringing back the highly reforming Prince Gong to power at Court. Unfortunately Chinese timeline would require a large amount of research and being in the middle of university exams means that I wont have the time for a fair while.
 
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