Medieval Map

[Midgard]

Oh, probably Just a little thing off here or there Say, where do you see this one, a few centuries down the line?

The big question here is whether or not the Mongols will still invade, which should not be too far off by 1200 or so. Novgorod, being generally more centralized, and with greater degree of nationalism than most other Russian states of the time, would stand a better chance at either stopping the Mongols altogether, or mauling them badly enough to where it could simply buy them off. Ironically enough, Byzantium's loss of its Eastern territories to Turks could prove to be its salvation, as these would constitute the kind of buffer states that would delay the Mongols just long enough to where Byzantium (under much stronger leadership than in OTL, I presume) could hold them off, or, using their favorite tactic throughout the centuries, give them enough protection money to focus their attention elsewhere.

Also, did Eleanor of Aquitaine marry the English King after divorce with Louis IX (or the latter's death in the Second Crusade)? If so, the English could lay claim to the French crown much earlier, and will have much easier time taking over the French provinces, not in the least because of France's division.

 

[Condottiero]

I doubt that there was a "conquista" to start with. The Moslem invasion appears to have stopped at Carthage.
No 4th Crusade either (at least not similar to OTL). Byzantium is still a very solid concern.
I would have expected the Italian Crusader states to belong to the Norman kingdom, but the colors are different.

Then you should have a united Hispania, or at least divided in a different way (maybe a Suevian and a visigothic kningdoms)

 

[Hermanubis]

I doubt that there was a "conquista" to start with. The Moslem invasion appears to have stopped at Carthage..

I’ve herd that Carthage is still and was a suburb of Tunis, and What I had in mind is that Italian Crusaders might see the Prestige in having a “Kingdom of Carthage”, who knows, perhaps Carthage is the Italian quarter of Tunis in ATL!

No 4th Crusade either (at least not similar to OTL). Byzantium is still a very solid concern.
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Well, the 4th Crusade very well could still happen(1204 and all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Crusade) But In all likely hood it will be butterflyed away

 

[Hendryk]

The big question here is whether or not the Mongols will still invade, which should not be too far off by 1200 or so. Novgorod, being generally more centralized, and with greater degree of nationalism than most other Russian states of the time, would stand a better chance at either stopping the Mongols altogether, or mauling them badly enough to where it could simply buy them off.

I personally don't think a more centralized Novgorod will be able to resist the Mongols. In OTL, even the Teutonic Knights got trounced.
This is a bit of Nitpicking, but the area in Southern France named Toulouse seems a bit too much to the East to actually include the city of Toulouse. Its capital is more likely to be Montpellier, Narbonne or possibly Perpignan.

 

[Hermanubis]

Spend to hours on a map and still...

^better ?

 

[Hermanubis]

The big question here is whether or not the Mongols will still invade, which should not be too far off by 1200 or so. Novgorod, being generally more centralized, and with greater degree of nationalism than most other Russian states of the time, would stand a better chance at either stopping the Mongols altogether, or mauling them badly enough to where it could simply buy them off. Ironically enough, Byzantium's loss of its Eastern territories to Turks could prove to be its salvation, as these would constitute the kind of buffer states that would delay the Mongols just long enough to where Byzantium (under much stronger leadership than in OTL, I presume) could hold them off, or, using their favorite tactic throughout the centuries, give them enough protection money to focus their attention elsewhere.

Also, did Eleanor of Aquitaine marry the English King after divorce with Louis IX (or the latter's death in the Second Crusade)? If so, the English could lay claim to the French crown much earlier, and will have much easier time taking over the French provinces, not in the least because of France's division.

Hm… well if you notice on the map at this site http://www.euratlas.com/big/1200big.jpg, in OTL the English seem to control a lot more of France then in ATL, so…

 

[Hermanubis]

What I had in mind as the first major change in this ATL is that the Crusaders end up taking Tripoli early (like before they take Jerusalem, even.) or rather Antioch, when they were still predisposed to giving it to the Byzantines, which leads to taking Tripoli early. The actual POD would probably be something else entirely thou.

 

[Hermanubis]

Was kind of hoping to get a little more out of this map…

Surely there most be more to say about this?