Medieval America Mark III

That's a very interesting way of looking at it, but by that logic shouldn't the Anderson territory be seeking admission? And aren't Rizzini's ruling over a territory?
Andersen and Rizzinni Territories are not going to bother for admission into the Union probably because admission into the Union means submission under the Non-denom church and that is totally off limits for New Israelite rulers.
 
Speaking of Royal titles, has there been any reason given for the titles of “Commonwealth” vs “State” and “County” in the east? I assume State and Commonwealth are reserved for former states, but is the implication that Commonwealth refers to nations which cover more than one former state (in the same way that “Empire” traditionally refers to a state which encompasses nation/kingdom)? That would cover Mississippi (Mississippi and Alabama) and Ohio (Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, etc) for sure, but Georgia and Michigan only sort of fit that description (Michigan’s holdings in Ontario, Georgia seems to have a bit of northern Florida), but it might suggest that these nations were once more expansive than they are currently - I could see a Georgian Commonwealth once encompassing the Carolina lowlands, but I’m not sure where else Michigan might have held.

Edit: Perhaps the convention for naming states in the American Non-Denomination Church could follow:
  • County - the most basic order of independent states, Counties are still recognized as having a right to self-governance by the Supreme Court and admitted into the union. The majority of the time, counties do not control an antediluvian state capital, which is why they are not granted the title of state, though in a few rare instances, they do.
  • State - descended from the states of the pre-event United States, states are limited to those with claims on pre-regression titles (not unlike the title Emperor being reserved for those with claims on the Roman Empire in the Middle Ages) and always control the District Supervisor's seat of that state (why Allegheny County is not granted the title of State despite being larger and more populous than the states of Virginia and West Virginia).
  • Territory - only coming into play in the west, Territories refer to areas taken from the cowboys (in Red River's case) or taken by cowboys who converted (in Iowa's case) - both times, taking a title previously used by the cowboys. For reference, cowboys adopted the title of territories from old America, seeing their use in pre-admittance states and assuming territories, being larger, were "greater empires" than the states.
  • Commonwealth - the largest and grandest title, Commonwealths have claims on more than one State government, and maintain those claims to the modern day. For some, those claims are de facto, such as Ohio and Mississippi, while for others, Michigan and Georgia, they are relics of past territory (open to suggestions on what those claims are).
We're trying to fit Matt White's naming system into a legalistic world view but Commonwealth was basically does a political entity have 2 or more million people and hasn't been conquered by cowboys. To explain Michigan in a legalistic sense, perhaps they had a point where they had a lucky marriage fairly early on and held the state ships of Wisconsin and Ontario in personal union.
 
Andersen and Rizzinni Territories are not going to bother for admission into the Union probably because admission into the Union means submission under the Non-denom church and that is totally off limits for New Israelite rulers.
But my point is if territory implies trying to enter the Union then why would the cowboys which have no interest in that do it?
 
But my point is if territory implies trying to enter the Union then why would the cowboys which have no interest in that do it?
They are called "Territories" in the sense that they are Andersen territory. It is land which belongs to the Andersen clan.

Iowa Territory and the Red River Territory are formal political entities, fully non-denominational. Prior to the Bailey conquest over Dabney territory, Iowa was probably known as Bailey territory and Dabney territory. Maybe we'll have to retcon that back in.

So basically

<Clan name> Territory refers to land belonging to a cowboy clan. Held for long enough to be put on a map

<Geographical area> Territory is a land taken from cowboys/ was once cowboy territory. Has been converted to Non-Denom and is awaiting ascension to statehood.
 
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Arkansas Territory
Arkansas Territory

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System of Government: Sovereign Monastic State
Head of State: High Cyclops of the Arkansas Territory, appointed by predecessors and confirmed by the high council of the ruling holy order, nominally a vassal of the Red River Territory
Population: 540,000
Religion: American Non-Denominational Church
Totemic Symbol: A Razorback (Wild Boar)


Nestled in a long valley between the Ouachita and Ozark mountains, Arkansas Territory was wrestled from the cowboys about 130 years ago by a branch of the Sons of the South. Spurred on by the success of the Red River Crusade this branch returned to Dixie from Shreveport after the capture of the Red River Territory to recruit more men and funding for a new expedition to take back the Arkansas river valley then known as Winfield Territory. Once back in Mississippi, they received word that Memphis was looking to fund just such an expedition and it was there that they met with the merchant houses of Memphis. Memphis had just recently been visited by John Winfield and his army and the merchants were looking to remove his menace once and for all. Many Kentuckians, Tennesseans and Mississippians who had missed the Red River Crusade signed up with the order to gain their own personal share of glory. Many Ohioans also joined in this time, preferring the allure of a southern adventure to manning the towers of the Wabash Wall.


Arkansas Territory and it's larger neighbor to the south

After a year of waiting and preparing the would be crusaders set out on ferries built by Shelby County and landed near Little Rock. Though the rulers were New Israelite cowboys, they had only ruled for about 50 years and so many residents of Arkansas and Little Rock continued to be Non-Denominational. In fact the Winfield clan had been extraordinarily lenient in their own conquest of Arkansas and it was said that John Winfield, seeing the writing on the wall, had been seeking to convert to Non-Denominationalism. However, when the crusaders snuck into the town and opened the gates, the answer to whether or not the Winfields would convert died with them.
After the fall of Little Rock many of the vassals of the Winfields surrendered to the crusaders relatively easily, many of them had retained their Non-Denominational traditions and were okay with seeing the now renamed Brothers of Little Rock take over. And so the conquest of Arkansas Territory ended almost as soon as it began.

Since that time, Arkansas has faced multiple attempted cowboy invasions, mostly by pseudo New Ager Okies. These invasions have been repulsed with the help of the Sons of the South and have ensured that Arkansas remains a part of the Union. Arkansas however, has not been granted their petition into re admittance into the Union, remaining a territory though they retain their District Supervisor seat. The Supervisors of the Northeast have created a special classification of District Supervisor specifically to address the Arkansas seat. Since Arkansas is merely a territory, several privileges of the Arkansas District Supervisor have been curbed such as being able to table a case or submit a dissenting opinion. They are allowed to vote for justices of the Supreme Court however.

Culturally the peasants of Arkansas are freer than their counterparts in Mississippi. The landowners here have provided their peasants much greater rights and freedoms, knowing that if they were to severely mistreat them, the peasants might rise up which they have done many times or simply run away to the mountains. This effect has been augmented by the initial composition of the Brothers of Little Rock, many of whom were Midwesterners, more used to villages of yeoman paying their overlords a percentage of their harvests rather than indebted to them permanently.

The initial leadership of the Brothers of Little Rock also encouraged an armed peasantry and this tradition has passed on through the ages. Peasants are allowed and encouraged to train with the pike, which helps with the defensive effort against the cowboy hordes. But first and foremost, peasants are made to train with the recurve bow, adapting a tradition of archery in the Ozarks with the more effective bow design of the plains.


Along with their brothers to the south, Arkansas Territory and the Red River Territory control the entrances to the southern routes across the great plains. These routes follow the Red and Arkansas Rivers respectively and allow relatively exotic goods from the Colorado, New Mexico and to a lesser extent Utah to reach the south, bypassing the merchants of St Louis and Memphis. For many years, the Andersons sat on top of this trade route, growing wealthy enough to carve out their own land. It was stable enough that a group of 5 could travel from Santa Fe to Little Rock unmolested save for the transit fee they paid in OKC. The Andersons used decades of accumulated wealth and power to take over the farmers of coastal Texas and until they lost Oklahoma to broncos, okies and jayhawkers. Nowadays merchants pay up to 3 or 4 transit fees along the Arkansas river if they travel alone. However, if they travel with cowboys driving their herds trekking across the plains becomes much easier. This is how New Mexico Turquoise ends up in the hilts of many a Southern warlord.
 
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I was thinking. Would the southerners use “Confederacy” for any of their nations? It could be a symbol of Southern regional pride, removed from the racism of the past given that people in the south aren’t particularly white anymore. In particular I was looking at the nameless state squished between Ohio and North Carolina and thought that “Franklin Confederacy” worked. They’re a loosely united nation that’s being kept together by the pressure of being between Ohio to the northwest a and the Carolinas to the Southeast.
 
Lost Vegas, Part II: Viva Las Vegas
Lost Vegas, Part II: Viva Las Vegas



Las Vegas quickly grew into a regional power-house. Its control over Lake mead and the decaying controls of Hoover Dam allowed it to control the flow of water down the Colorado, subjugating the agricultural peoples who lived along the river. Vegasite emissaries rode all the way down to Sea of Cortez and demanded fealty from the people of the lower Colorado. With this power base, Vegas was able to assert its dominance over the nomadic tribesmen who had exiled them to the city.

Vegas’s greatest strength was the ruins that lay beneath it. Excavation revealed a city seemingly untouched by the regression, full of many of the wonders of the ancient world that the refugees had not taken with them. Enslaved tribesmen were employed to deconstruct these buildings, carrying up copper and steel to be melted down and sold - or forged into weapons.

California and Arizona were initially reluctant to deal with Vegas, seeing as how it was composed of a combination of tribals, rapists, thieves and worst of all their own political exiles. Utah had no such compunctions however. Desereti merchants sailing down the Colorado were all too happy too purchase precious metals at rock-bottom prices, and by the 2350s the emergent empires of California and New Mexico had no choice but to join in on the lucrative trade.

The forging of Vegas’s political identity would be difficult. Though only a few centuries had passed at the time of founding, the Californians and Arizonans were already totally foreign too each other, and the herdsmen of Arizona might as well have been from Mongolia. The Californians were predominantly anti-Scientology rebels, though their rebellion had more to do with a desire for power on the part of their leader, one Randall House, former mayor of Oakland. The Arizonans were New Age zealots who had fought for (and lost) control of Phoenix. After early years of difficulty between the two parties, House (by far the more savvy politician) conducted a purge of the more ambitious elements in the New Age camp, and “convinced” one of the high-ranking Mediums to have a religious revelation, one that House hoped would help to build Vegas as an identity.

The Medium stood upon the broad Las Vegas strip that the nascent city was being built upon and declared that he had had a vision. He did not deny the gods of the New Age, nor did he condemn the teachings of Hubbard or the Christian idolatry of the Nevadans. He said that their worship was good and right for their respective peoples, but in Las Vegas there was one deity that stood upon them all: Lady Luck. Lady Luck granted favor to the bold and those who prostrated themselves at her feet and the feet of the high-roller. And yet she was also capricious, with the ability to turn the poor into kings and kings into beggars at a moment’s notice, requiring constant reverence and consciousness of The Odds that governed all things. One thing ranked above all else, however: in the end, the House always won.

This new constructed religion gave house many advantages. Firstly, it harkened back to Vegas’s half-remembered past, giving it a unique identity that set it apart from the surrounding civilizations. Secondly, Lady Luck gave a venerable figure for people to rally around with her motherly aspect appealing to the feminist leanings of the New Agers and the Marian cult of the many quasi-Catholics now encompassed over Vegasite control. Most importantly, it simultaneously encouraged a spirit of dynamism needed when it came to forging a new state in the midst of a desert and fealty to House personally. However, despite what future histories have claimed the religion did not immediately take off; it would only be as Vegas began to prosper that the novel faith was taken somewhat seriously.

And prosper it did. Lust for steel, copper, and glass re-directed trade routes across the south west. Traders from Arizona crossed the vast Hoover Dam watched by stern guards and attendants who bore the mark of Vegas while Scientologists crossed the breadth of the Mojave. They came to the Strip, a veritable boom-town. Then the slave auctions were small and the casino-temples were still slapdash. At the head of the Strip traders marveled at Caesar’s Palace: constructed in the style of one of the sunken casinos, it would be here that the High Priestess of Lady Luck would crown Randall House Caesar of Las Vegas.

Traders enjoyed the limited amounts of grog on offer and the dice games. Most of them were wholly unaware of the “holy” connotations of these establishments, seeing them as nothing more then good fun - same went for the temple concubines. Young men and women heard ales of this rising city and poured in by the thousands to proclaim their loyalty to Randall House. Branded with the mark of Vegas and pressed into service. These pioneers would subdue the Nevadans and forge an empire that stretched from the Colorado Delta to Lake Powell and beyond…
 
Is there a canonical reason why Jefferson City, Missouri isn’t shown as a District Supervisor’s seat on the “East Map”? It’s in the borders of a Non-Denominational State and is a former state capital like the rest.

Alternatively, might I make a suggestion to edit White’s original suppositions and have St. Louis serve as the seat of the District Supervisor of Missouri. First, the primacy of St. Louis in the region would make it easier to defend than Jefferson City, and thus an ideal place to move for a religious figure. Second, it serves as an callback to A Canticle for Leibowitz, where St. Louis is a major religious center.
 
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Is there a canonical reason why Jefferson City, Missouri isn’t shown as a District Supervisor’s seat on the “East Map”? It’s in the borders of a Non-Denominational State and is a former state capital like the rest.
It's a good question. The easiest explanation would be that White forgot, but I doubt it. Some potential explanations: Missouri seceded from the Union? Seems unlikely. Missouri remains New Israelite? Again, unlikely. Evangelical Heresy? Possible, I suppose. Or perhaps the Supervisory was destroyed by Cowboy Invasions and some political manuvering means that it's yet to be restored to Missouri proper.
 
It's a good question. The easiest explanation would be that White forgot, but I doubt it. Some potential explanations: Missouri seceded from the Union? Seems unlikely. Missouri remains New Israelite? Again, unlikely. Evangelical Heresy? Possible, I suppose. Or perhaps the Supervisory was destroyed by Cowboy Invasions and some political manuvering means that it's yet to be restored to Missouri proper.
I rather like the idea of St. Louis and Missouri being the heart of an evangelical heresy - that would give a lot of new meaning to the Dabneys allowing Memphis to restore St. Louis - almost a Latin Empire of Constantinople parallel.
 
I rather like the idea of St. Louis and Missouri being the heart of an evangelical heresy - that would give a lot of new meaning to the Dabneys allowing Memphis to restore St. Louis - almost a Latin Empire of Constantinople parallel.
*Baileys, not Dabneys. Regardless, that wouldn't explain why the Supervisory has yet to be restored - it's been a long time since the rebuilding of St. Louis. Perhaps the District Supervisor feld during Evangelical uprising, then the state was destroyed by Cowboys, and the Supervisor has been living in exile in Baltimore and the US is reluctant to formally return him for... reasons?

Which relates to another idea I had: the eastern states of the Union are still represented in the Senate (though not in the House since elections can only be held in US territory logistically), but the US is able to operate independently because it effectively controls the senatorial votes of the Western states - after all, a state's senators are irrevocable. Even if that state has fallen to Cowboy hordes or follows Scientology it still gets represented in the Senate, but by US-appointed senators.
 
Personally I was thinking that it was pure politics. The same reasons why Iowa and Minneapolis haven't been restored but Halifax Fredericton and Charlottetown do.
 
Territory Distinction
Also, is the way I've described territories fine?
Edit: This appears to be canon now

<Clan name> Territory refers to land belonging to a cowboy clan. Held for long enough to be put on a map

<Geographical area> Territory is a land taken from cowboys/ was once cowboy territory. Has been converted to Non-Denom and is awaiting ascension to statehood.
 
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Might it just work better if we assume White forgot Jefferson City? There’s nothing on the site to suggest he planned to have a heresy in Missouri, and the usage of the term “State” puts it more in common with the Non-Denom states than with the New Israelites - I just don’t see a suggestion that the state is meant to be anything other than Non-Denom, nor a reason that Jefferson City would be excluded rather than any other state capital (Madison being a glaring example of this).

On a similar subject, I think Cairo, Illinois should be represented as, at least, a 25,000+ city. It sits at the junction of White’s two biggest trade routes, the Mississippi and the Ohio, and is in a state which controls multiple “wheat” resources (and very fertile land) making supporting a city of such size possible.
 
Might it just work better if we assume White forgot Jefferson City? There’s nothing on the site to suggest he planned to have a heresy in Missouri, and the usage of the term “State” puts it more in common with the Non-Denom states than with the New Israelites - I just don’t see a suggestion that the state is meant to be anything other than Non-Denom, nor a reason that Jefferson City would be excluded rather than any other state capital (Madison being a glaring example of this).

On a similar subject, I think Cairo, Illinois should be represented as, at least, a 25,000+ city. It sits at the junction of White’s two biggest trade routes, the Mississippi and the Ohio, and is in a state which controls multiple “wheat” resources (and very fertile land) making supporting a city of such size possible.
It probably wouldn't exist where Cairo currently exists, that location would get flooded every spring. It would probably be on the bluffs to the east and there is a town there called Wickliffe
 
It probably wouldn't exist where Cairo currently exists, that location would get flooded every spring. It would probably be on the bluffs to the east and there is a town there called Wickliffe
Makes sense; either way, I don’t a population center not existing in that general area, given it’s stellar location for both trade and food production.
 
The Toledo Road
The Toledo Road

Historically, the Commonwealth of Ohio has had great difficulty maintaining control over it's northern Border. This was a land far from Cincinnati and one where Michigan was so much closer and so much stronger. Michigan and the states of the Mackinaw league always had far more influence than the President in Cincinnati and eventually, enough was enough. About 200 years ago, President Robert II Ingram declared a great public works project, a grand road to be constructed from Cincinnati to Toledo to facilitate the movement of the merchants with Inns one days travel apart along it's entire length. The road was also supposed to be wide enough for 20 horses to march abreast.

Needless to say that his project would not go as planned. The ramifications of the road were not lost on Michigan. This was a route which was designed to combat their interests in two specific ways. 1. It would divert trade away from Detroit, and 2. It would allow Ohio to more rapidly move their troops northward. So as soon as news of the road reached Ann Arbor, Governor Thomas III Wolf began to plan for war. The following spring, Michigan began to besiege Toledo and sent their fleet to Sandusky to seize that town as well. Ohio responded with their own armies. By August the forces of Ohio and Michigan would meet on the bank of the Maumee River and fight in what would come to be known as the Battle of Clark Wood. The battle and war would end up as a stalemate, both rulers severely injured in the melee; Robert losing his left eye and Thomas breaking his arm and several ribs. When they met again, it would be under the banner of arbitrage. It was agreed that Ohio would greatly scale down the planned capacity of the road and pay Michigan indemnities for potential loss in traffic.

50 years later the road would be complete and it's damage would be of primary importance to Michigan. When Ohio lost Toledo and some of the surrounding territory at the conclusion of the war, Michigan changed their tune on the road. No longer was the road to be destroyed. Now it would be tolled upon exit from Toledo. Since Ohio's recapture of Toledo, the road has been maintained in a passable condition. Most of the Inns have been successful enough to expand in order to meet the demands of increasing merchant traffic. In some respects the road is far more attractive than sailing around Michigan is. It's safe and generally free of bandits, Ohioan knights and men at arms patrol the road and it's safe in that an autumn storm will soak you to the bone, but won't sink you in the depths of Lake Michigan or Lake Huron.

The road also proved to be the saving grace of the Commonwealth of Ohio from the first Dabney invasion. The army of Lancers which finally turned the tide of the war headed north from Cincinnati at record pace using the road, travelling the 180km from Cincinnati to Lima in only 4 days using the road. The speed at which the army moved surprised the Dabneys and as a result they were caught off guard when they finally did show up.

The road itself is nothing fancy. Upon first glace it looks to be just a path of flattened earth. However, when the road was being constructed, a small army of serfs were pounding the ground for days at a time until the earth was as hard as rock and water would not wash it away. Over the past 180 years since it's completion the road has not deteriorated because every spring, the Master of Roads and his Interstate Department will go out and patch up the road where needed returning to each section of the road every 5-6 years. Furthermore, in the southernmost section, from Cincinnati to Dayton, the road is as Robert envisioned it, wide enough for 20 lancers to ride abreast.
 
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I’ve written up an entry on Missouri which assumes that Jefferson City is the seat of a District Supervisor. If that absolutely doesn’t work I can remove it, but I really think it makes more sense to assume that such a religious figure does exist.
 
I’ve written up an entry on Missouri which assumes that Jefferson City is the seat of a District Supervisor. If that absolutely doesn’t work I can remove it, but I really think it makes more sense to assume that such a religious figure does exist.
I think it's a fine assumption. Emphasize that it was only restored quasi-recently since Missouri was only restored quasi-recently.
 
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