Medieval America Mark III

Is there any chance of any of the Coloradan city-states being Jewish or are they all that pseudo-Christian religion mentioned in the post on them?
All pseudo-CHRISTIAN. I think having another inexpicable religious minority state in the Rockies would stretch credulity too much. The closest one will get to New Zion is the Jeffsin Marches or Rockland County.
 
All pseudo-CHRISTIAN. I think having another inexpicable religious minority state in the Rockies would stretch credulity too much. The closest one will get to New Zion is the Jeffsin Marches or Rockland County.
Yet another reason why I want to get on writing about the lands east of the Mississippi. I'd write about Rockland immediately but going straight to the East Coast would be jumping the gun.
 
Yet another reason why I want to get on writing about the lands east of the Mississippi. I'd write about Rockland immediately but going straight to the East Coast would be jumping the gun.
Well, nobody wrote anything explicit about the Jews of Jeffsin or Beelem (an appropriately Biblical name). And the Californian crypto-Jew concept sounded rather fascinating.
 
Well, nobody wrote anything explicit about the Jews of Jeffsin or Beelem (an appropriately Biblical name). And the Californian crypto-Jew concept sounded rather fascinating.
That's true. I just wasn't interested in writing about a pseudo-state and a tribal wilderness (which is what Beelem sounded to me). The Jewish people clung to their religion even with the Spanish Inquisition hunting them down. I don't think it's too hard to imagine that they can hide within California given how highly-populated it is. Is the California Republic more religiously moderate than the Free Zone? Because it isn't an explicit theocracy lead by the Scientologists.
 
That's true. I just wasn't interested in writing about a pseudo-state and a tribal wilderness (which is what Beelem sounded to me). The Jewish people clung to their religion even with the Spanish Inquisition hunting them down. I don't think it's too hard to imagine that they can hide within California given how highly-populated it is. Is the California Republic more religiously moderate than the Free Zone? Because it isn't an explicit theocracy lead by the Scientologists.
Well no, but at times (presumably when it was united with the Free Zone) I imagine it was much stricter. I don't doubt that there are still Jews in California, but I imagine they're either slaves or hiding it.
 
I don't think there'd be jew's out in the desert considering that the deserts are all surrounded by hostile religious superpowers: New Mexico, California and Deseret. There might be Jews/ descendants of jews in Cascadia though, having fled there upon the rise of Scientology. The eco-bhuddists might be tolerant enough to accept jews in their communities.
 
Well no, but at times (presumably when it was united with the Free Zone) I imagine it was much stricter. I don't doubt that there are still Jews in California, but I imagine they're either slaves or hiding it.
Hence why I made the comparison to Marranos living in medieval Spain.
 
is Beelem even canon? It's not included in the table of contents
That's a mistake on my part: The way I update the Table of Contents is that I add everything we've decided canonical from my last post where I said I updated the ToC onwards. One of these posts was the same post where I questioned you about Beelem. So, when I was updating the table of contents I wasn't ready to put it in, but in all of the ToC updates since I assumed it was canonical since it was behind one of my ToC posts.
 
The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald: A Great Lakes Sailor's Ballad
The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald: A Great Lakes Sailor's Ballad

The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they called 'gitche gumee'
The lake, it is said, never gives up her dead
When the skies of November turn gloomy
With a load of iron ore seventy seven tons more
Than the Edmund Fitzgerald weighed empty
That good ship and crew was a bone to be chewed
When the gales of November came early

The ship was the pride of the Michigan side
Coming back from some mill in Duluth
As the lake freighters go, it was bigger than most
With a crew and good captain well seasoned
Concluding some terms with a couple of steel firms
When they left fully loaded for Cleveland
And later that night when the ship's bell rang
Could it be the north wind they'd been feelin'?

The wind in the ropes made a tattle-tale sound
And a wave broke over the railing
And every man knew, as the captain did too,
T'was the witch of November come stealin'
The dawn came late and the breakfast had to wait
When the gales of November came slashin'
When afternoon came it was freezin' rain
In the face of a devil's storm west wind

When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin'
Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya
Late in the evenin a main hatchway caved in, he said
Fellas, it's been good t'know ya
The captain knew then he had water comin' in
And the good ship and crew was in peril
And later that night when his lights went outta sight
Came the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald

Does any one know where the love of God goes
When the waves turn the minutes to hours?
They might have split up or they might have capsized
They may have broke deep and took water
And all that remains is the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters
And the iron boats go as the mariners all know
With the gales of November remembered

In a musty old hall in Detroit they prayed,
In the maritime sailors' cathedral
The church bell chimed till it rang twenty-nine times
For each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald
The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call 'gitche gumee'
Superior, they said, never gives up her dead
When the gales of November come early

Does any one know where the love of God goes
When the waves turn the minutes to hours?
When the winds of the north come knocking your door
you better pray fast and pray clearly
For every man knows when the winds start to blow
You had better batten the hatches.
The storms of autumn, will send you to the bottom
like the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald

Does any one know where the love of God goes
When the waves turn the minutes to hours?
'Neath the wind and waves are many mariners' graves
Where lost souls are buried forever
And all that remains are the faces and the names
Of the wives and the sons and the daughters
To those brave men who are gone we sing this mournful song
But in our hearts we shall always remember

I altered some lyrics to fit the realities of a medieval ship.




 
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Histories of the Old State of Illinois: The Conquest of Iowa
Histories of the Old State of Illinois: The Conquest of Iowa



At the beginning of new medieval ages, there were no Presidents outside of Washington. Illinois at this point consisted only of the northern half of the state, in an arc centered around Chicago, where the governor retreated to after a Missourian army burned Springfield down. It was from their base in Chicago that the State of Illinois pushed outwards. Adopting a unique mix of nearly pure cavalry; horse archers and lancers , Illinoisan armies hit and ran their enemies, using lancers to smash peasant levies and peppering them with arrows from horseback when the enemy cavalry and heavy infantry arrived. With these tactics, Peter Dupont I was able to conquer all the way to the Mississippi and rule all of Illinois from Chicago.

It would be his great-grandson Bradley II who crossed the Mississippi at Rock Island in the spring of 2324, smashed cowboys all the way to Omaha and establish Illinoisan control from the Missouri to the Wabash. With victories over smaller armies at Cedar Rapids, Waterloo and Marshallton, Bradley turned west to face a combined army of the remaining Iowa cowboys and their allies from Kansas and Nebraska. It was at Des Moines where Bradley rolled the dice and sealed his legacy. During the industrial era Des Moines sprawled around an area centered on the merger of the Raccoon and Des Moines rivers. In 2324, it was reduced to a small walled city, centered around the old capitol on the east bank of the Des Moines. When Bradley arrived at Des Moines, all the cowboys had already gathered. Camped separately to reduce tensions between the groups the three armies were split by the rivers. The Kansans were camped between the Des Moines and Raccon, the Nebraskans south of the rivers and the Iowans east of the Des Moines, just outside of the city. Bradley split up his army into 2 parts. Half would cross the Des Moines east of their current location and attack the Kansans from the south. The other half would ride north , cross the river there and attack the Kansans. At dawn, he struck. The Iowan army awoke to the sounds of burning wagons and screaming men as Illinoisan Lancers ran through the cowboy encampments and their archers took out those who managed to escape. Helpless, the Iowans watched as their anti-Illinoisan coalition vanished before their eyes. An attempt to cross the rain swollen Des Moines and reinforce their allies failed as man and horse were washed away or shot full of arrows. After the battle, the Illinoisans would cross the river once more. The Iowans confronted them at the ford but rains had rendered their bowstrings limp and useless and the Illinoisans dispatched them easily.

Bradley then rode into Des Moines and captured the aging governor of Iowa Colin Bertrand and his last descendant Jimmy Bertrand. Placing the Hawkeye Crown upon Colin's head, he beheaded Colin and then promised Jimmy his life in exchange for the governorship of Iowa. Jimmy agreed and true to his word, Bradley spared his life. Jimmy would spend the remainder of his days as a monk, hidden away in a monastery just outside of Chicago where he was no threat to the Duponts.

Bradley would spend the next 10 years of his life raiding and defending against other cowboys who sought to rebuild the State of Iowa. Sick and tired of constantly riding out to smash another cowboy horde he then began the work on the Big Wall of Iowa and the Missouri defenses using captured cowboys and the prisoners of other campaigns against Ohio and Michigan as slave labor to build the 400km of rammed earth wall and watch tower system between the Missouri and Mississippi from Sioux City to La Crosse. He wouldn't get to see the wall finished dying of a seized heart just 8 years after construction began. Instead Bradley's son Henry "the Cruel" DuPont would accomplish the monumental task by enslaving tens of thousands to build the wall which stands today as a testament to the power that Illinois once wielded.
 
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I'm somewhat surprised that White didn't mark out Cairo as being more significant within Indiana, sitting at the confluence of the two rivers and being massively fertile. I suppose it is subject to flooding, but then so is New Orleans...
 
I think that the eastmap is only representative of a specific point in time, like most of the other maps. Cairo doesn't exist because the Dabneys probably wiped it out and noone's bothered to rebuild it yet
 
Is this thread dead? I was hoping it wouldn't die this time. If it's dead I'm going to launch Mark 4 but unlike the previous thread creators I'll be more open to new ideas outside the regions white actually described.
 
the thread frequently lies dormant for months at a time. It's only been 3 weeks since the last update. Look at the mk 2 thread, that was up for 5 years before mk 3 was set up
 
I’m thinking that tales of ghost cars and the ghost hitchhikers wouldn’t stop even after all cars have stopped for good. Maybe there’s a local community that has the legend of a pitch-black Impala as their version of the banshee. Headless Motorcyclist, anyone?
 
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