Medieval America Mark III

The Mackinaw League
The Mackinaw League


The Flag of the Mackinaw League

In the Industrial era, the Great Lakes were a conduit for trade and goods deep into the heart of North America. Like the Baltic Sea of Old Europe, the Great Lakes are dominated by trading leagues, conglomerates of trading companies and cities who band together for protection and a degree of autonomy from their overlords. Unlike the Hanseatic League, member cities span a wide range of nations and this has lead to rivalries within the leagues that sometimes tear these trading leagues apart. Currently one trading league dominates the Great Lakes but as the tensions between the different cities and their overlords ramp up, it threatens to break the league up again.

When the cities on the Great Lakes are united in a single organization, trade flourishes, free from the threats of rival leagues and pirates. Warships constructed by member cities patrol shipping lanes, keeping bandits at bay and city disputes are settled peacefully. Member cities are allowed a certain degree of autonomy from their overlords. The collective power of the merchant corporations allows them to get concession out of Governors and Presidents. Cities are often allowed to set their own laws, raise their own armies and set their own taxes. Part of the taxes collected by member cities goes towards the league itself in order to maintain the league fleets and outposts. The League's trade outposts are located along the wild Shores of Lake Superior, Lake Huron and Lake Nipigon. In the summer the wild tribes of the northern forest paddle their canoes to these outposts to trade furs for steel and other civilized goods. In the winter skeleton crews maintain the outposts, shivering from the cold and praying for spring. Many traitors and criminals have found themselves exiled here, doomed to shiver and probably die within 2 years.

When the league tears itself apart, the competition becomes brutal. Ships to ship warfare on the lake. Fortresses constructed, raided and burned. Trade shrivels up and dies. In this sense it is very much in the interests of the Presidents and Governors of the Great Lakes to bash the heads of merchants together and keep them united. It is better to exert influence through the politics of the Lake League then have to spend gold and silver against other states. Fortunately rarely do the merchants involve themselves in the squabbles of Kings and vice-versa. The last time inter-merchant war occurred was 150 years ago when the tensions between the then State of Illinois and the Commonwealth of Ohio dragged much of the Feudal Heartland into war. Ships were sunk, cities like Sandusky, Cleveland and Erie raided and burned to the ground. But when the war ended, cooler heads prevailed and the current iteration of the Mackinaw League was formed.

There is no single capital of the Mackinaw League. Instead the general shareholders meeting rotates between Chicago, Detroit and Buffalo every 3 years. Every Spring and Autumn Equinox representatives from the different cities set sail and anchor in the designated city to attend the general shareholders meeting. Here they debate and argue to set the Leagues agenda for the 6 months. Each of these three cities contains a copy of the legal paperwork that binds the cities together. At these meetings representatives from various Presidents and Governors are allowed to observe though they cannot propose changes to the League Charter.

Cities along Lake Ontario do not trade directly with the Mackinaw League. Instead trade must flow through Buffalo, a situation that has added to the city's wealth over the years. It's not as if they have a choice. Ships can hardly sail up the mighty Niagara falls.

Major Cities of the Mackinaw League

  • Buffalo
  • Chicago
  • Detroit

Other Selected Cities of the Mackinaw League

  • Green Bay
  • Milwaukee
  • Holland
  • St Ignace
  • Soo St Marie
  • Bay City
  • Saginaw
  • Sarnia
  • Toledo
  • Sandusky
  • Cleveland
  • Erie
  • Port Maitland
 
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The State of Wisconsin
The State of Wisconsin

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System of Government: Feudal State
Head of State: Governor, chosen through primogeniture
Population: 1,250,000
Religion: Non-Denominational
Totemic Symbol: Badger



On the western shores of Lake Michigan lies the State of Wisconsin. With what was once the State of Illinois to the south and is now Iowa Territory Wisconsin has been heavily influenced by it's relationship to it's much more powerful neighbor. In the past, Wisconsin was a tributary/vassal of the State of Illinois, paying lip service to the President on Rock Island, guarding the north western flank of Illinois and paying an annual tribute in exchange for protection and legal rights. Back then Illinois was much more powerful than the current Iowa Territory. It was nearly as populous as the Commonwealth of Ohio is now, 6 million people. When the cowboys came in, they killed off much of the population and 130 years on, it has only recovered to a half of what it once was. Wisconsin used to be much more like a proper vassal than the nearly independent nation that it is now.

This reflects in some of the titles that the Governor of Wisconsin holds: Marshal of the Northwest, Warden of Minnesota. This relationship carried over when the Baileys and Dabney's took over. Instead of paying "taxes" to the Duponts, they paid tribute to the Dabneys. This tribute was a little higher than the taxes that were paid, but when your neighbor is a genocidal horde, you tend to comply. When the Baileys overthrew the Dabneys and established control over Illinois, Wisconsin's knights played a key role in their success, splitting up the Dabney army and allowing it to be smashed piecemeal. In return Wisconsin's yearly tribute is a fraction of what it once was, and every year it comes closer to regaining independence.

Otherwise, a scene from Wisconsin would resemble one from any one of the other Midwestern nations, corn, rye and barley growing in fields. Villages clustered around a central square . Knights in their castles wearing heavy mail riding great steads and longboats in the lakes and rivers.

Occasionally a fool hardy cowboy will cross the Mississippi and raid Wisconsin. Usually the Governor and his men will ride out to meet them, ambush them in piney forests and massacre them. It has been this way for hundreds of years and will continue like this for hundreds more.
 
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Do you guys think that the Midwestern and southern states might have heresy's / theological diasgreements with the central Non-Denom church?
I can see the southerners embracing a baptist heresy and being alienated that way. Also the distance between the Midwesterners and Northeastern church supervisors might result in a schism.

Also I personally see a large historic rivalry between the 2 great midwestern nations: Illinois/Iowa and Ohio with the other smaller states being nominal vassals/ alliance members.

Prior to the cowboys destroying Illinois, you would've had the 2 great powerhouse Nations: Illinois: 6.5 million, Ohio 7 million and then quite a few second tier countries. Also the lakes and Mississippi river allow a bunch of other nations to get involved in wars too.
I've been hinting at a big war in the midwest about 250 yrs before and am wondering how that might play out in this setting.

What do you guys think?
 
Isolated Civilizations
I know we won't get to it for a very long time (if ever in this version maybe mark 4 will get there) but my thoughts keep coming back to South Africa, Australia and New Zealand as fascinating examples in a neo medieval world.

South Africa on the most part would revert to pre-european tribes duking it out but the western cape would probably be home to small nation or two. It would be basically the most isolated civilization on the planet. Thousands of kilometers of tribal wilderness between it and the nearest civilization. It wouldn't revert to a nomadic state b/c 1. theres noone powerful enough to challenge them and 2. The Drakensburgs would shelter them from all but the most devoted army.

Australia is also interesting. You've got the coast which would maintain several maritime city states centered around Adelaide, Melbourne Sydney and Brisbane. You've got the south eastern interior which would maintain a nation. And then you've got a desert 1800km wide in the middle of the continent. And on the south western corner would be Perth. A corner of civilization sandwiched between thousands of kilometers of desert and ocean. All this nothing in an area the size of the lower 48.

And New Zealand. Britain but upside down? Probably not. There'd be significant polynesian influences.

Chile is also in a similar situation but it has neighbors. Argentina/Uruguay/Brazil would be over the andes and across a relatively small plain. Peru is just a 1700 km boat trek along the atacama coast. But the Inca did it so I don't think that Chile would be as isolated. But still. These nations would be so interesting as places without advanced civilization prior to european colonization

All these isolated outposts of civilization. Thousands of Kilometers from anyone else worth taking about. Staring out to sea and sometimes starting at the desert and Savannah inland. It's possible that some of these places would regress to tribalism with a single disaster. New Zealand and the Western Cape would be the most likely to do so but Australia I suspect is just large enough that if one city were to fall to anarchy, the others would fill the gap. I don't think that maybe aside from Viking Greenland and Vinland has a civilization ever been so isolated. But greenland and iceland were icy wastes. These are subtropical forests.
 
I know we won't get to it for a very long time (if ever in this version maybe mark 4 will get there) but my thoughts keep coming back to South Africa, Australia and New Zealand as fascinating examples in a neo medieval world.

South Africa on the most part would revert to pre-european tribes duking it out but the western cape would probably be home to small nation or two. It would be basically the most isolated civilization on the planet. Thousands of kilometers of tribal wilderness between it and the nearest civilization. It wouldn't revert to a nomadic state b/c 1. theres noone powerful enough to challenge them and 2. The Drakensburgs would shelter them from all but the most devoted army.

Australia is also interesting. You've got the coast which would maintain several maritime city states centered around Adelaide, Melbourne Sydney and Brisbane. You've got the south eastern interior which would maintain a nation. And then you've got a desert 1800km wide in the middle of the continent. And on the south western corner would be Perth. A corner of civilization sandwiched between thousands of kilometers of desert and ocean. All this nothing in an area the size of the lower 48.

And New Zealand. Britain but upside down? Probably not. There'd be significant polynesian influences.

Chile is also in a similar situation but it has neighbors. Argentina/Uruguay/Brazil would be over the andes and across a relatively small plain. Peru is just a 1700 km boat trek along the atacama coast. But the Inca did it so I don't think that Chile would be as isolated. But still. These nations would be so interesting as places without advanced civilization prior to european colonization

All these isolated outposts of civilization. Thousands of Kilometers from anyone else worth taking about. Staring out to sea and sometimes starting at the desert and Savannah inland. It's possible that some of these places would regress to tribalism with a single disaster. New Zealand and the Western Cape would be the most likely to do so but Australia I suspect is just large enough that if one city were to fall to anarchy, the others would fill the gap. I don't think that maybe aside from Viking Greenland and Vinland has a civilization ever been so isolated. But greenland and iceland were icy wastes. These are subtropical forests.
Maybe the Mark IV thread would widen the view to the entire world once we've finished covering the rest of the United States. We've still got plenty of land east of the Mississippi to cover before that can happen.

I do like your ideas regarding these countries, though.

I'm personally looking forward to the next contribution to this thread.
 
Maybe the Mark IV thread would widen the view to the entire world once we've finished covering the rest of the United States. We've still got plenty of land east of the Mississippi to cover before that can happen.

I do like your ideas regarding these countries, though.

I'm personally looking forward to the next contribution to this thread.
Great. I haven't read the thread (But want to read it soon), but are there some thoughts about Europe in the new middle ages?
 
Honestly, my personal take on the Old World (Asia, Europe, North Africa, East Africa) is that with a return to the new medieval ages, those areas would return to their medieval versions. It's not interesting to write because it has happened before and there is ample information about these places. If you want medieval europe or medieval china or medieval japan etc, then this is not the place. The point of this thread and this collaborative exercise is to explore places where medieval history (or an advanced agricultural civilization) never occurred, where colonization and human migration and the columbian exchange have radically changed the people and the land.

This would basically encompass the "New World" i.e. Polynesia, Australlia, New Zealand, South Africa and the Americas.


Great. I haven't read the thread (But want to read it soon), but are there some thoughts about Europe in the new middle ages?
Don't hold your breath about reading the world outside of America. We're slowly grinding away at the Eastern US and that will take quite some time, even though much of the groundwork has already been done. Once America is done, a lot of thought and research will have to be done on Latin America to keep the quality of those entries as high as possible.
 
Here There Be Monsters: The Dogman
Here There Be Monsters: The Dogman



It is a cold, snowy night in the woods of Minnesota. A convoy of Truckers have encamped at an old truck stop. In the distance the Mall of America looms, the greatest fort and bazaar this side of the Mississippi, said to be the point that marks the end of the feudal core and the beginning of the wild plains. When the Cowboy hordes come calling, or the Kanadi raiders descend from their malls, it is the first line of defense for Wisconsin.

Normally, truck stops like this would be full of dozens of convoys. Not now: in the winter season, no trucker would want to be caught dead around the Great Lakes. All fur trapping and trading comes to a halt as people buckle down to survive the harsh season. Most convoys try to get to more southerly climes by this time of year, but this clan has been trapped in the wilds of Minnesota.

They huddle around their bonfire, miserably. In the distance, they hear the howls of a pack of wolves. They huddle in a little bit closer. One man, an older Trucker, chimes in with the tale of the Dogman.

The Dogman has been seen roaming from the north of Michigan to the fabled lands of Laska, but nowhere more then in the region in and around Lake Superior. The creature is said to walk on its hind legs, like a man, and yet it has the body, the face, the teeth of a dog. They are just as cunning as any man, and they lead packs of wild wolves.

Sources vary as to where the Dogman comes from. Some tales say that when civilization collapsed, the millions of domestic dogs that escaped bred with wild packs of coyotes and grey wolves, and what resulted was this horrific hybrid abomination. Others claim that this beast is one in the same as the werewolf of legend. There are those that blame "nuclear waste", whatever that is.

Our Truckers tells a different tale. He tells his convoy that long ago, this land was inhabited by the Indian, a primordial race that today survives only in the west. When the white man came, they wiped them out, This much anyone knows. He speaks of one white man, a soldier named Custer, who was particularly brutal in his conduct, massacring entire convoys of natives and feeding still breathing men, women and children to his packs of rabid dogs. One day, Custer was bested not too far from where this tale was told today. As he was dying, a shaman of the Indians cursed him to wander the earth as a Skinwalker in the form of a half dog, half man. The miserable Custer is still trapped in this body, and he leads his pack of rabid dogs to kill the white man, as punishment for their transgression.

A wolf cries in the distance.
 
Here There Be Monsters: The Dogman



It is a cold, snowy night in the woods of Minnesota. A convoy of Truckers have encamped at an old truck stop. In the distance the Mall of America looms, the greatest fort and bazaar this side of the Mississippi, said to be the point that marks the end of the feudal core and the beginning of the wild plains. When the Cowboy hordes come calling, or the Kanadi raiders descend from their malls, it is the first line of defense for Wisconsin.

Normally, truck stops like this would be full of dozens of convoys. Not now: in the winter season, no trucker would want to be caught dead around the Great Lakes. All fur trapping and trading comes to a halt as people buckle down to survive the harsh season. Most convoys try to get to more southerly climes by this time of year, but this clan has been trapped in the wilds of Minnesota.

They huddle around their bonfire, miserably. In the distance, they hear the howls of a pack of wolves. They huddle in a little bit closer. One man, an older Trucker, chimes in with the tale of the Dogman.

The Dogman has been seen roaming from the north of Michigan to the fabled lands of Laska, but nowhere more then in the region in and around Lake Superior. The creature is said to walk on its hind legs, like a man, and yet it has the body, the face, the teeth of a dog. They are just as cunning as any man, and they lead packs of wild wolves.

Sources vary as to where the Dogman comes from. Some tales say that when civilization collapsed, the millions of domestic dogs that escaped bred with wild packs of coyotes and grey wolves, and what resulted was this horrific hybrid abomination. Others claim that this beast is one in the same as the werewolf of legend. There are those that blame "nuclear waste", whatever that is.

Our Truckers tells a different tale. He tells his convoy that long ago, this land was inhabited by the Indian, a primordial race that today survives only in the west. When the white man came, they wiped them out, This much anyone knows. He speaks of one white man, a soldier named Custer, who was particularly brutal in his conduct, massacring entire convoys of natives and feeding still breathing men, women and children to his packs of rabid dogs. One day, Custer was bested not too far from where this tale was told today. As he was dying, a shaman of the Indians cursed him to wander the earth as a Skinwalker in the form of a half dog, half man. The miserable Custer is still trapped in this body, and he leads his pack of rabid dogs to kill the white man, as punishment for their transgression.

A wolf cries in the distance.
Nice story. Can you tell us more about the Truckers?
 
History of Kuluradu
The History of Kuluradu



It could be said that for a land that is generally held to be among the noblest and most learned kingdoms of Medieval America has a shameful past. It arose from a revolt in the Florence Supermax Prison launcehd by the Islamic fundamentalists imprisoned there fairly early on in the regression. Operating the supermax as a fort, they used it to launch attacks on the eight other prisons of Fremont County, liberating sympathetic Nation of Islam members imprisoned add using the prisons as forts. From there, the extremists conquered Florence, Colorado, and then Canon City. A federal government with bigger fish to fry let them go about their business. Converts were made among the dhimmi, and within a few decades the first of the Great Jihads were launched.

The first city to fall to the Great Jihad was the city of Colorado Springs, followed by Westcliffe, Pueblo and Park County. The Second Great Jihad, spurred by the arrival fo Muslim refugee from across the United States and Canada, would see the conquest of the vast San Luis Valley, and the crowning of the first Caliph of Kuluradu in the newly renamed Colorado Springs, now Osamabad. With the arrival of more and more refugees (most notably those that fled persecutions in Dearborn, Michigan) and more and more converts among the local populace, the Calpihate would grow to encompass the "Three Parks" (North, South and the Colrado headwaters in between) and the valleys of Gunnison, Uncompahgre, Grand and Roaring Forks. The Caliphate even held the ruins of Denver for a time. Walis were installed, and the Caliphate got down to business.

It was hoped that by controlling the headwaters of the Arkansas, the Rio Grande, the Colorado, and the North and South Plattes (collectively known as Al-Uyun- the Springs) the Caliphate could use them for rapid expansion across the continent. Indeed, the Caliphate had many early successes, beating back the forces of the New Mexicans and the Desereti when they came knocking.

The Caliphate would begin to run into trouble with the formation of the Cowboy hordes, especially groups like the Danvurs. Much of their territory in the low lands of Colorado were lost to the horsemen, with Osamabad and the Flwrnsa Vallery only being saved by the erection of a series of megalithic fortifications.

The Caliphate would collapse with the New Agers seizure of the San Luis Valley, losing one of its most important agricultural bases. Most of the Walis declared themselves independent Emirs, leaving the Caliph in control only of Osamabad and Flwrnsa.
 
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I'd personally love to see a map of the complicated present-day situation in the land of Kuluradu. That'd be interesting. I'm wondering how many of the post-Caliphate Emirs fell into Utah's sphere of influence.

Did the Muslims ban the speaking of English during their more religiously fundamentalist period in the beginning? I could see them eventually lifting that as they grow more moderate in their religious views, though that may vary by the temperament of the ruler. I could see some of the post-Caliphate leaders being more conservative and fundamentalist than others. Lack of religious fervor could be the excuse some of the Walis chose as their reason why they abandoned the weak Caliphate at the end. Religious disputes would tear Kuluradu apart like they tore the Middle East Apart.

What happened to the just over one hundred thousand Jews who lived in Colorado?
 
I'd personally love to see a map of the complicated present-day situation in the land of Kuluradu. That'd be interesting. I'm wondering how many of the post-Caliphate Emirs fell into Utah's sphere of influence.
Currently working on it.

Did the Muslims ban the speaking of English during their more religiously fundamentalist period in the beginning? I could see them eventually lifting that as they grow more moderate in their religious views, though that may vary by the temperament of the ruler.
Eh, it's possible, but more then likely they wold just follow the normal protocol when it comes to dhimmi: you're allowed to speak your tongue and worship your gods, but the language of law and commerce is Arabic.

I could see some of the post-Caliphate leaders being more conservative and fundamentalist than others. Lack of religious fervor could be the excuse some of the Walis chose as their reason why they abandoned the weak Caliphate at the end. Religious disputes would tear Kuluradu apart like they tore the Middle East Apart.
I did imagine things getting rather decadent in Colorado Springs.

What happened to the just over one hundred thousand Jews who lived in Colorado?
Most saw the writing on the wall and fled to the Jewish communities in New York or, more likely considering the increasing difficulty of travel in the early Regression, to California... where they would promptly be presented with the choice to convert or be enslave, forcing the orthodox to flee to the Jeffsin Marches.

Of those that remained in Colorado, they were generally allowed to live as People of the Book like the Christians, most of the animosity over Israel being long forgotten.
 
Currently working on it.
Nice. I'll be looking forward to it.

Eh, it's possible, but more then likely they wold just follow the normal protocol when it comes to dhimmi: you're allowed to speak your tongue and worship your gods, but the language of law and commerce is Arabic.
Are there any places where the "dhimmi" were able to overtake the Islamic rulers and install their own states? I'm thinking that a couple of the weaker Emirs could've ended up that way. At least some portions of the region were only kept pacified by the fact that their rulers had the might of the entire Caliphate to keep them down.

I did imagine things getting rather decadent in Colorado Springs.
I'm imagining that by the time of the fall of Kuluradu the Caliph's court would be pretty enthusiastically partaking in the sinful substances traded by the mountain people of Colorado.

Most saw the writing on the wall and fled to the Jewish communities in New York or, more likely considering the increasing difficulty of travel in the early Regression, to California... where they would promptly be presented with the choice to convert or be enslave, forcing the orthodox to flee to the Jeffsin Marches.

Of those that remained in Colorado, they were generally allowed to live as People of the Book like the Christians, most of the animosity over Israel being long forgotten.
Again, like I said above, the remaining Jews could take advantage of the weakness of one of the post-Caliphate Emirs to establish a small New Zion. Or one of the Emirs could encourage Jewish immigration to boost their population. I could see them potentially attracting "secret Jews" from California.
 
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