Medieval America Mark III

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  1. HonestAbe1809 Abraham Lincoln 2020

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    1. What's happened to shopping malls/big box stores in this fallen world? Have they been reused for various purposes or have they all been abandoned?
    2. On a similar note, what's happened to the various mothballed ships lining the coasts of America? In particular, the four aircraft carriers moored in the Puget Sound Shipyard. Is the waters shallow enough that they'd simply settle on the bottom? Because I want a medieval Rivet City so badly.
     
  2. tehskyman Well-Known Member

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    I think in general, all the cities have been erased. As in the all the materials have returned to the ground. I would hazard to guess that this includes malls/stores. Generally buildings are gone but changing the shape of the land has usually stayed. Mount rushmore is described as having survived but the washington monument and lincoln memorial were also described as having survived. Maybe steel and glass disappear but stone works survives.
     
  3. Flashman A Real Go-Getter

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    Don't think about it too hard, is my official stance on the subject.

    Assume there are no intact malls or aircraft carriers.
     
  4. Flashman A Real Go-Getter

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    Hilljacks

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    Despite its reputation, Mormonism is by no means limited to Utah. About 57 percent of Mormons reside outside of the United States and, within the nation itself, congregations exist from Florida to Alaska. But the state with by far the greatest Mormon presence (after Utah of course) was, undoubtedly, Idaho, home to over 400,000 adherents in a state of 1.65 million.

    When the Regression came, these folks were as ready as their more southerly brothers to take advantage of the fall of civilization, taking advantage of their relatively high group cohesion and history of surviving through adversity. High population rates meant they spread even faster- first, up and down the flat Snake River Valley into the Columbia basin (which they would dominate until the Columbian Crusade), and then into the hills of northern Idaho and Eastern Wyoming.

    These Mormon settlers, despite their large numbers, often came into conflict with non-Mormon locals, usually worshiping the degenerated quasi-polythesitic mystical pseudo-Christianity common across some of the more uncivilized regions of America. Just as much as they fought one another, however, they also melded with each other, with the Mormon missionary practices succeeding, and the hillclans being brought in to the greater Mormon fold. With them, however, they brought their culture and strange views on religion.

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    When these and other wild mountain clans were finally brought into line by Salt Lake City, they were seen as strange by the Temple mainstream. To the Idahoans, the term "Hilljack" was applied, Jack being an ancient term for a Mormon who had drifted from the faith. The Hilljack clans are most prominent today in the lawless wilds of Idaho, which remain ungoverned by Utah outside of the Snake River. Here, they fight with the wandering Samurai of Columbia, often launching raids into the border regions, and providing forces for the Deserti army on occasion. They range from Columbia to Yellowstone, and are always ready to fight.
     
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    The Klingons

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    "Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam!"- Captain John Korax

    If you travel to the lands barren, trek the rugged terrain, and climb the massive mountains that guard the oceans, you will find them. They are a race old as time and as ferocious as beast itself. They are the savagery of monsters, the strength of warriors, and the intellect of kings. They are a race that has faced plague, famine, cold, and most of all, war. Inhuman at the very first glace, it is clear they have sophisticated language, culture, and technology. Years of research have shown them to be a successful civilization that traded with lands far away years and years ago. Some call them beasts but we call them Klingons.

    Sociological studies has shown the Klingon tribes to be a sort of loosely connected group of clans and families. While rivalries do often pop up from time to time, the larger family will eventually find themselves on top and then split into a group of smaller families to begin the cycle all over again. This has forced them to develop a strong sense on honor to their bloodline like the Mafya of the East Coast. From childhood, they are trained in combat, tactics, and metallurgy to become the greatest warrior of the seas. To die in your prime is seen as a better fate than to live as a crippled warrior. Death is not mourned but celebrated as an ascension to heroism.

    While they are very, very spiritual people, Klingons worship the singular Sky Father similar to many of the northern infidels. Much like many religions, they also have their own version of heaven and hell. Heaven is a place known as Sto-Vo-Kor where the Sky Father grants eternal battle, feast, and other pleasures. Hell is a frozen wasteland called Gre'thor where hungry, thirsty, and tired souls are forever chased by malevolent spirits. The only way to escape Gre'thor is for your descendants to bring honor to your family name. Renouncing the family name is also possible but it does not come without repercussions.

    A common comparison to the Klingons are the Viking savages from lands far away. Much like the Vikings, the life of a Klingon consists of finding towns, villages, and homes to burn, pillage, and loot. Many of prisoners will be executed but most will be forced to live the rest of their lives as slaves or warriors. Casadian intellectuals have often joked that the entire Klingon society lies on the back of slaves and they are not wrong. The weaker slaves will be forced to work as nannies or cooks, the stronger slaves will become cannon fodder, and the loyal slaves will become servants to their masters.

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    This constant looting and pillaging has gained the attention of many men and women across America, namely the Casadians. While many see them as nothing but a nuisance, others disagree. Many Laskans have decided to join the larger Klingon families when the frost rendered their crops useless. Settlements from Forcasey to Santa Clarita find themselves under siege annually thanks to these barbarian clans. Trade routes from Hawai'i to the mainland have dealt with the Klingon Menace time and time again. While they may seem like mere savages, a prosperous and stable society lies beneath the brutish exterior.

    Unlike most societies, a large amount of the Klingon warriors are literate and know how to read their strange script. The seafarers also posses a strikingly large amount of gender equality. Many women can divorce, vote, and join men on long expeditions. While many of their weapons may be used for show, they are shockingly useful in combat and defense. The Klingons may be one of the many savages of America but they are one of the most crafty and prosperous.
     
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  6. Flashman A Real Go-Getter

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    This is rather strange:

    My email claims that Teshkyman made a post here on the stakes of Deseret yesterday but... I can't see it?
     
  7. tehskyman Well-Known Member

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    It was premature. I accidently hit enter. It'll be up by 2pm EST
     
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    Stakes of Deseret: Wyoming

    After the Mormons retook Salt Lake City and crushed Yaeger resistance to their conquests, Deseret reconquered their empire over the span of fifteen years. Along the way they had to defend against the Pallisters, the nomad tribe that destroyed the bulk of the Yaeger armies for the mormons. Once they were done with the core of their old empire, they set their eyes on the Pallister lands. Late in the fall a great army marched over the Wasatch and into Wyoming, retracing the path that the Yaegers had taken all those years ago.

    In the Battle of Fort Bridger, the Mormon army ambushed the Pallisters as they prepared to disperse for the winter. Caught unaware, the Mormons were able to decimate the nomad army and kill their chief and many of his eldest kin. In the spring they set out again and conquered the rest of Wyoming , converting the willing, slaughtering the resistance and taking the women and children as wives and slaves. In order to govern this vast plain they used a Mormon convert, married all of his daughters to Mormons and took his sons as hostages.

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    Fort Bridger, where 5000 Mormon Fanatics ambushed 7000 Pallisters and sacrificed them to God as thanks for the return of Salt Lake City to Mormondom

    That was over a century ago. The nomads have been converted or driven off. Colonists and settled nomads have begun to farm the valleys around the Green, Wind and Bighorn Rivers. There are still nomads living on the plains, you can't farm on them, but they are firmly Mormonized and kept in check, vassals of Salt Lake City. And Casper grows.

    Casper


    If you looked down on Casper (or Casver as the Easterners like to call it) from nearby Casper Mountain, you'd see a sea of teepees and wagons surrounding a small stone fort. Casper grows two to three fold in the winter as cowboys from the surrounding area bunker down for the winter and butcher their animals to sell to Desereti and Eastern Merchants. They trade for wood, metal and other civilized goods in exchange for their best animals, dead or alive.

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    A typical mormon fort late into the spring. Most nomads have left the area. All that is left are those abandoned by their tribes.

    Because of its distance from Salt Lake City, Casper is could have been completely lawless. However nowadays it is firmly under Mormon control. The Mormon Eastern Legion has a strong presence here. Their headquarters are located about a days ride outside the city, on the shoulder of Casper Mountain. This doesn't mean that Mormon laws are necessarily followed. The Legion is seldom around the city. Usually it is out defending from or raiding non-mormon herdsmen. This means that inside the fort, administrators and Mormon Templars try their best to keep order in the tent slums surrounding the walls. They send patrols out to try and curb the spread of the many brothels, speakeasy's and drug dens across the tent sea. It's no use. Shut an establishment down and they'll just pack up the tent and be back within the year. They don't call it the Vegas on the Platte for nothing.

    Over the last 100 years or so Casper has grown. Initially, on the eve of the death of the Yaeger Clan it was almost nothing more than a fort/trading post with the fort having fallen into disrepair during that time. However since it has come under the control of the State of Deseret, the stability and protection provided by the Mormon legions has allowed the city to grow. Merchants feel more comfortable here on the banks of the Platte rather than having to deviate from the river to the Black hills to trade with the cowboys.

    Closer to the fort, wooden buildings go up, signifying that more and more people are settling in for the long haul. Alongside the migration from various tribes and colonists, the city's population growth is also fueled by a more humane version of the herdsman tradition of scapegoating. At the end of every winter, many tribes choose to abandon their unwanted here, sometimes leaving them a horse and or some supplies, often times with nothing but the clothes on their back. Invariably this means that unwed pregnant daughters and excess sons invariably find their way here. Mormon and Midwestern Traders also send their second sons here to set up merchant trading houses to facilitate trades. You might even be able to find the occasional Southerner, Cascadian and Californian here.
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    Looking inside Fort Casper

    Foreign Relations

    Colorado

    Unlike the stake of Utah, Wyoming does not have the canyonlands of Eastern Utah separating it from the mountains and valleys of Colorado and the Islamic states contained within. Because of their small size and the geographical barriers of the Colorado mountains these nations are an afterthought on the minds of most generals in both Deseret, New Mexico and on the Plains. However if and when war (glorified skirmishes) happen between these superpowers, the empires will pay tribute to the states to harass and harangue the other side.

    The Herdsmen

    The primary people bordering the Stake of Wyoming, the presence of the Eastern Mormon Legion keeps the Cowboys at bay and the nomads, subject to the authority of the president. However with the mormization of the wyoming nomads (Yomingite) , the risk they pose to Salt Lake City has been reduced. Reduced, not removed. They are loyal subjects only as far as the Legion is willing to keep them in line. With the conversion comes religious tensions with the New Israelite cowboys. Raids across the border happen nearly every month. It doesn't help that there are little to no natural borders in this part of North America. Even with the raids, it rarely escalates beyond stealing livestock and women, sometimes people die. However both sides are well aware of the fact that war would happen if Casper or the Black Hills were to be molested by either side.

    Even with this tension, extensive trading occurs between the Mormons and the Herdsmen. The Herdsmen need salt in their diet and nomads from as far as Alberta will travel to Casper to sell their cattle for precious salt. Better to buy it direct from the Mormons than pay for the Eastron markup. They also need wood and the Mormons have more than enough for the Herdsmen to make their wagons and tent frames out of. In exchange for these goods and more, the Mormons buy cattle and horses from the nomads in huge amounts.

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    Driving Cattle to Casper. Notice the short javelins many men are holding. This is in addition to their bow and arrows for which the Herdsmen are so widely known.
     
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    Here there be Monsters: The Skinwalker

    In the deserts of North America, ancient tales are passed around the campfire of things that roam the desert at night. There are many names for these man-beasts; skin walker, yee naaldlooshii, skin changer, fleshgait and manbeasts. They are powerful shamans who have chosen a dark path and walk among ordinary men in the daylight. Normally Shamans use their powers for good through healing and spiritual guidance as well as conversing with the gods. However a shaman who chooses to become a skinchanger must walk a path of darkness and great evil.

    It is said that in order for one to become a skin walker, they must perform a corrupted form of the sacred rituals. Normally the rituals start with an animal sacrifice to the gods on a full moon, where good spirits of the desert will grant some their power to the shaman. However the skinwalker ritual is performed in a new moon, where dark spirits rise from the sands and with the sacrifice of a close family member, allow the skinchanger to now take a single hybrid animal form. This is usually a coyote or wolf, though ravens, goats, cougars and owls are also said to occur. With repeated sacrifices, the skinchanger will be able to take on additional forms until their spirit is so corrupted they become an animal forever.

    To ward off skin walkers, the people of the desert wear holy talismans and pendants. Usually made of various crystals and blessed materials and shaped into a 3 fingered claw that will ward skinwalkers and evil spirits alike.

    In fear of encountering a skinwalker and all the dangers of the nocturnal desert, tribes people will not venture into the desert at night. It is cold and dangerous for little reward. Many a story exists of a Dineh or Mormon army crossing the desert only to go completely missing. The farmers scratch their heads and wonder what went wrong but the tribesmen know, the skin walkers attacked and destroyed the men for daring to cross their territory without adequate protection.

    The skinwalker stories are not commonly known outside of the desert wanderers. They fear that the foreigners that hear their stories may be skinwalkers in human form. You can never be certain.

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    A skinwalker roaming the Nevadan Desert

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  11. Flashman A Real Go-Getter

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    Really liked the Wyoming post.

    Less certain on the Skinwalker post: doesn't have much detail or deviation beyond the actual definition of Skinwalker.
     
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    Here There Be Monsters: The Sasquatch

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    The woods north of San Francisco are vast. If you ask a member of the peasantry, he may well say that it is endless- of course, this is not precisely true. The vast forests come to an end when they meet the deserts of Beelem and the mountains of Cascadia, with the occasional oasis (like Eurkea, Klamath or Rogue) amidst the endless forests. These are the Jeffsin Marches, and for many in California, they mark the end of the world.

    Countless foul beasts and savage races are side to roam these woods. There are, of course, the Jeffsinites, the indigenous race of this land who stand starkly opposed to both the Cascadians and the Californians. There are the ranging Beelemites with their mustang caravans, wandering Jedi and Druids, and even the tribes of Jewish shepherds who fled in the Exodus following the attempts by Governor Cruse IV, to enslave them to build his vast mausoleum.

    But there are fouler things afoot in these woods, according to the people of California. Chief among them is the vile Sasquatch- a beast in the guise of a man, standing on two feet, seven feet tall, all wooly hair and sharp, gnashing teeth. It is said these are the worst of the pagans of Jeffsin, who have accrued so many Thetans that they have turned into the very basest of man's components. The Sasquatch is feared across California and Jeffsin. It is the worst fear of every young Californian recruit to encounter a Sasquatch during the lonely patrols amid the Redwoods of Eureka.

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    Not all peoples have such a negative view of the Sasquatch, however.

    In Cascadia, where Californians whisper Sasquatches wander the streets freely, the Sasquatch is to be celebrated. While yes, there are many Sasquatches in the Jeffsin Marches, it is said that there are Squatches in every forest, that they are the natural protectors of the environment. While they are still wild, and there are good and bad Sasquatches, they are generally beloved, with many hoping that their children are born in the "Year of the Sasquatch", the ninth of the Cascadian Zodiac.

    Theories abound as to the origin of the Sasquatch among the learned men of Eugene and the Free Zone. Some say that they are merely cultural caricatures of the uncouth hillfolk of Jeffsin. Others suggest they are the result of a San Francisco menagerie that freed countless apes into the wilds of the north during the tumult of the regression. Others, however, say they've always been here: they were here even before the white race stepped foot on these shores, untold millenia ago. Before the Indians, now extinct outside of their redoubt in the distant Dineh, wandered here at the beginning of time. That they've always been here, and they will continue to be here long after mankind has disappeared...
     
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  13. Flashman A Real Go-Getter

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    And, with that, the Great Plains are now open
     
  14. tehskyman Well-Known Member

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    Did we ever come up with a Zodiac for Cascadian Buddhism?
     
  15. HonestAbe1809 Abraham Lincoln 2020

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    Now I want to have it consist of fictional creatures like Pokemon. Though it'd be simpler to have Pokemon be represented by Pikachu. Or the various legendary pokemon.
     
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    The Twelve Zodiacs of Casadia

    The Year of the Mouse: Represents speed, swiftness, and cunning
    The Year of the Bantha: Represents strength, resilience, and honor
    The Year of the Cougar: Represents ferocity, strength, and battle
    The Year of the Pikachu: Represents strategy, agility, and friendship
    The Year of the Charizard: Represents determination, power, and nobility
    The Year of the Mole: Represents cunning, shyness, and empathy
    The Year of the Horse: Represents loyalty, swiftness, and resilience.
    The Year of the Thunderbird: Represents honor, speed, and power
    The Year of the Sasquatch: Represents strength, shyness, and intrigue.
    The Year of the Beaver: Represents loyalty, determination, and foresight
    The Year of the Possum: Represents cleverness, foresight, and adaptability
    The Year of the Cat: Represents curiosity, rebirth, and luck
     
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    The Great Stallion that Bestrides the World: The Messiah

    To the Hillians, he will be the great unifier, a boy born in the shadow of the Black Hills who shall one day be the sixth of the carved men (the fifth being Crazy Horse). For the Sioux, he shall rise again, reborn to a virgin in sacred Sioux Falls, who will part the Missouri as Moses did the Red Sea, and lead the Sioux to glory-- first against the Rosebud, then the world. The Danvurs believe he will restore their ancient metropolis to them, and drive out the Mohammedian Amorites. The Andersons say he will once again lead their people in uniting all of the plains, and then lead the Kingdom of New Israel to usher in the Millenial Kingdom. The Okies say he will vanquish the Andersons. And the Rizzinis say he will be the Great Stallion that Bestrides the World, and lead their clan to total victory.

    It is no secret that the New Testament has been marginalized in Cowboy culture. Though not forgotten by a long shot, the tales of the Old Testament are given far more prominence by the New Israelite, with its folksy day-to-day tips on how to handle whores and witches. The world of Medieval America is harsh, with many tribulations. Thus, the people of the Plains need that old-time religion. The Revival Preachers generally refer to the Old Testament, the Judges almost universally look to Israelite law.

    With this emphasis on the Old Testament, some are rather miffed at Christ's actions in the New Testament. I mean, sure, he promised to bring war, condemned the rich, and brought blessings to his people, but at the same time, he was a pansy. He let the Romans and the unfaithful walk all over him, and then he got himself crucified. He was surely not the Messiah, the Son of Man as described in the Old Testament.

    Not only has this resulted in several bloody stories being attributed to Jesus, but some quite detailed belief about the time of Revelation, and what Christ will do when he returns. Of course, this varies greatly from tribe to tribe-- most believe he will be reborn into a Cowboy clan, that he will wield a Revolver as man once did, and that he will bring glory. But for who, no one can say for certain, and every tribe is inclined to believe he will be born unto them, and takes a strangely high amount of concern in local issues.

    All clans and tribes agree on one point, however: The Son of Man shall smite the sinners, and surely he shall return soon.

    But wait-- do you see it? A new star in the sky, burning bright over the Black Hills. Of course, in reality it is no star at all-- simply a satellite whose solar panels havebeen turned to reflect light back at the earth. But that's not what matters: what matters is the thousands of pregnant women, from beggars to the wives of Great Chiefs, riding for Mount Rushmore.

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