McGoverning

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Yes, Jan 2, 2018.

Loading...
  1. Yes Safe, Efficient Airship Travel Since 1972

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2013
    Location:
    The Shire, somewhere in Cascadia
    :eek::eek::eek: That, then, is a story worth telling (the Concorde part and the "Tony Crosland's PPS" part - at Environment I'm guessing?)

    Yes, McGovern putting a thumb on the scales early with the NYC noise ordinance (it was junked a few years later anyway when fiscally-catastrophic Gotham thought the Concorde would be good for luring more tourists) and also the early deregulation of the airlines - where established carriers (1) need every gimmick they've got to win trade back from low-cost startups and (2) see some advantages to building a revenue base in higher-end clientele - causes a few major carriers to prolong or revisit their decisions about Concorde ITTL.

    All of which is also an excuse to say LET THERE BE AIRCRAFT PORN. It will surprise likely no one at all that there is a cottage industry of photoshopping alternate aircraft, both ones that never flew and ones flying in colors that they never did. So, have a little of that there:

    [​IMG]
    Pan American Airlines' Clipper Columbia, one of the airline's four Aerospatiale/BAC Concorde SSTs purchased in response to industry
    incentives and the Airline Deregulation Act of 1974, seen here on the "Sea to Shining Sea Shuttle," Pan Am's supersonic connector
    between its bases at New York-JFK and Los Angeles (LAX) sometime in the late 1970s




    TWA Concorde in service late 1970s.jpg
    A Trans World Airlines (TWA) Concorde, one of three in TWA livery, on final approach into London-Heathrow in the spring of 1978: TWA was one of the "Fast Four" airlines -
    Pan Am, British Airways, Air France, and TWA - offering supersonic routes between London and New York, fighting over the high-volume, high-dollar route at considerable
    expense to other carriers, and themselves

    Concorde Iran Air.jpg
    An Iran Air Concorde seen at London-Heathrow: not to be outdone in a mildly revived market for the supersonic aircraft, the Shah of Iran pressured his
    nation's flag carrier into taking three, which served routes to Paris-Orly and London-Heathrow when one was not being "borrowed" as His Imperial
    Majesty's personal form of transportation, usually to OPEC conferences or Washington D.C. by way of Parisian shopping
     
  2. Threadmarks: McGoverning: Images from Chapter 11

    Yes Safe, Efficient Airship Travel Since 1972

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2013
    Location:
    The Shire, somewhere in Cascadia
    Here we take a moment to resume something that walks and quacks like a tradition in this thread:

    McGoverning Best Laid Plans Kennedy health care.jpg
    Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) appears before the Senate Committee on Labor and
    Public Welfare with a presentation on health-care cost containment; Kennedy was
    a principal sponsor of the Medicare Expansion and Consolidation Act (MECA) of 1974

    McGoverning Phil Hart Medicare.jpg
    Vice President Phil Hart and Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) confer with
    aides and members of the senatorial "Gang of Five" during a recess
    in a meeting with Sen. Russell Long (D-LA), chairman of the Senate
    Finance Committee, on MECA

    McGoverning Shirley Hufstedler hearing.jpg
    Judge Shirley Hufstedler, late of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, testifies before the Senate
    Judiciary Committee on her nomination to the United States Supreme Court - Hufstedler
    would go on to become the Court's first woman justice

    McGoverning Best Laid Plans Constance Baker Motley.jpg
    Justice Constance Baker Motley, now of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit,
    at her swearing-in ceremony staged at the White House; Motley's often contentious confirmation
    made her the first African American woman to serve on a federal appellate court
     
  3. President_Lincoln The Great Emancipator

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2017
    Location:
    United States
    Thank you! Such praise means a lot coming from you, @Yes. :) I can't promise that the letters/updates/stories/what-have-you that come out of it on my end will be any good, but I'm really happy that it's gotten the board excited and people are creating characters and writing their own narratives for it and so on. That happiness and like you say, fun, is what I always aim to generate with my writing and thread-making. I'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out, if nothing else.

    I'm glad to see President McGovern (and VP Hart, perhaps the true MVP here) making some real progress ITTL. :D The power of a "practical idealist" can be tremendous, and I believe we just might be seeing some of that here. Can't wait for the next update!
     
    Yes likes this.
  4. Expat Monthly Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2007
    Location:
    Washington, DC
    Complimenti, Signore. As breezy a depiction of people in rooms and corridors doing impenetrable things as has ever come out of Hollywood.

    Some thoughts:

    "One free meal a day" - Just making sure this is a free meal for those who meet the criteria, right? Or is this universal for all pupils?

    DC Home Rule - As OTL? Congressional veto still in place? That thing is such a pain...

    "Legislation on the privacy of education records" - ...is that the work of my second favorite Buckley (after Carol, of course) or did somebody else slap their name on it ITTL?

    Let's put a rider on the Concord legislation that Jane Briggs Hart gets to captain the first one and you have my vote.

    I was half expecting to see some lame duck support make the difference in the healthcare fight. I could be way off base; isn't it rare for something this big to sneak through in the lame duck period?

    TIL Constance Baker Motley's father was a chef at Yale. Thinking about how McGovern linked this back to his own father's origins, then looking through the (OTL) judiciary committee, it looks like it's possible that John Tunney just voted to confirm the daughter of the guy who used to make dinner for him as a brat Yaley.

    As for presidents with beards, oh, believe me, I know the pandora's box I'm asking you to open. I've known it for years.
     
  5. Avalanches Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2017
    Location:
    Tampa
    Also, since I forgot to mention this earlier:

    MAKE MARTHA GRIFFITHS PRESIDENT YOU COWARDS
     
    Yes likes this.
  6. Kaiser Julius Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2017
    I love your description of Jesse Helms.
     
    Yes likes this.
  7. Workable Goblin Chronicler of the Pony Wars

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2009
    Location:
    Canterlot
    Wellllll...that's never going to happen. Ever since the Oklahoma City tests, supersonic flight over land was basically dead short of a breakthrough in noise reduction, which is only now occurring in the real world...
     
    e of pi likes this.
  8. THE OBSERVER Independent Progressive

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2010
    Location:
    New England
    Under the TV Tropes page, his overheard “comments” will probably go under “Is This Thing Still On?”

    Slight correction. Pan Am’s order was for 8 Concordes. TWA ordered 6. As for routes, you can have Pan Am fly them on Trans-Pacific Services in addition to Trans-Atlantic.
     
    Yes likes this.
  9. Expat Monthly Donor

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2007
    Location:
    Washington, DC
    Can't regulate what you can't catch.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Wayside If It Were Up To Me

    Joined:
    Jun 10, 2015
    Location:
    Former Firewall State
    Someone get a copy of this TL to Yglesias and Klein; I'd love to see a Weeds episode on it.

    What is it with Austria and its economists? I've occasionally wondered.

    You can count on Friedman to see everything as numbers and nothing as flesh and blood.

    I think it was TV Tropes that described your prose as Thompson-esque, and I'm starting to see where that came from.

    McGovern is a railfan? Huh.

    Of all people, I suppose Ford would have an eye on what Donna in Peoria could stomach.

    Of course Jumpin' Jim made an appearance.

    Two things. One, I can't stop chortling at "Flurb". And two, might we see this precedent being moved down to the NCAA at some point?

    When it comes to insurance and pharmaceutical policy, I find myself agreeing with a certain Arizonan's declaration on the Eastern Seaboard.

    I see what you did there...

    And with that, an unforgettable marker in American political history is created. Not as quotable as "you're no Jack Kennedy", perhaps, but far more indicative. Things have been laid out as they are, but not like Helms might have wanted.
     
  11. Yes Safe, Efficient Airship Travel Since 1972

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2013
    Location:
    The Shire, somewhere in Cascadia
    Good thing to clarify. One meal a day for those who meet the criteria. Which involves their enrollment in the public schools at all, in strength (you have a child classed as handicapped under Mondale-Carey and they're neither bedridden nor classed as not sane? They can go to school now.) Which is a real sea change.

    Congressional veto for now, yes, the McGovern crew wanted it through as hundred-days legislation for a political bailiwick that voted for them like no other, but they are shopping around quietly for anyone who'd like to amend that veto away.

    Tell 'em what he won, Don Pardo... J I M M E H is still doing his thing. Yes, Carol is infinitely preferable.

    No legislation per se, just the twisting of various arms and the greasing of various palms, but I would love to see Jane Briggs Hart the Mercury Program-qualified astronaut get behind the stick.

    Ahh... to clarify again: most of the action on the initial Medicare-For-All 2: Social Democratic Boogaloo bill happens in the autumn of '73, after private conferences and drafting in the late summer recess. Things get jammed up in late October/November. Phil Hart pulls the chestnuts out of the proverbial around Thanksgiving and into December, whereupon Medicare-For-All Well Mostly No Really We Mean It hits congressional desks on the way out the door for Christmas. Committee hearings et al. go on in January, the bill gets through the House and then on the Senate calendar for a vote around the end of January, and is signed into law the first week of February, 1974. So, in the era before the Rise of the Permanent Campaign, they get in under the wire before primaries season.

    Oh I'm almost sure he did, especially since Motley Sr. made most of his real money (such as it was, some as opposed to almost none) doing what amounted to catering for the "social clubs." I'm just about willing to call that canon on spec. Also, fun fact: after McGovern Sr. unchained himself from the breakers' tables, he made a pretty good career in minor league baseball, mostly for a then-extant Des Moines farm team for the St. Louis Cardinals. McGovern was a partisan fan of the baseball Cardinals and the Redskins in the NFL, respectively.

    :p:cool: Love it. Some nice choices there in that thread. Yeah, it's not impossible for us to see bearded POTUSes in this TL, or at the very least presidents who've worn a beard at some point or other.
     
  12. Usili Carry On Wayward Son

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2012
    There were range issues I believe for a Concorde flying Trans-Pacific flights (and the Concorde-B with an increased range would've been a safer bet). However I think I recall reading something on how 747 flights were explicitly competitive with the Concorde flights?
     
    Yes likes this.
  13. King of the Uzbeks Charles Curtis is my Baby Daddy

    Joined:
    May 28, 2013
    Location:
    Not-Tashkent (sadly)
    2019_03_13_032039.png

    Honestly McGovern's VP pick depends on when Hart steps out. If he's kept on board and dies on schedule (Dec 76) then McGovern will be able to make an appointment, probably anointing a frontrunner for 1980 in the process. Here he might make an idealistic choice, an ideological bedmate to continue his legacy.

    If Hart bows out of being renominated (I do not know when he became aware of the diagnosis) or the stresses of office cause him to meet the great Labor Union in the sky before election day, then McGovern's hands are more tied. He'll have to pick someone who he can work with, who can also help win the election.
     
  14. rick007 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 2006
    Location:
    Hamiltonia
    Too true.
     
    Yes and President_Lincoln like this.
  15. Yes Safe, Efficient Airship Travel Since 1972

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2013
    Location:
    The Shire, somewhere in Cascadia
    I think it's great, and will do very good things as people, in the words of Blossom Dearie, find their wings.

    Phil's certainly the man of the hour on MECA. Indeed that makes this a nice spot to stop a moment and take stock of a few things the administration has actually gotten done:

    • The FFRA (Food and Farming Renaissance Act), McGovern's vision for domestic and overseas food policy, seen as a seamless garment all the way from farm size and agricultural methods to economic development in the Global South
    • Ancillary to that, the grain-for-T-bills deal with COMECON*cough*theSoviets to help stabilize Cold War economic relations and dampen future price shocks on the commodity markets
    • A raft of economic policy on managing floating currencies, processing the glut of oil-embargo money without too much destabilization of Western banking, and helping to ensure developing nations can manage their debt load when the various sheikhs and emirs and Shahanshahs give them FREE MONEY
    • A modest but significant bump in the minimum wage (to $2.00 in 1973 dollars, so roughly $11.32 in today's money so, hey, not bad) that matters all the more because it covers a much wider range of people, e.g. if you're several types of farm worker and if you make tips, you still qualify
    • Backing the Abourezk Act with full recognition of blood-quantum American Indians not on the rez, a defined legal process for derogating surplus federal land (mostly BLM stuff but still) back to organized tribes, and the opportunity to reorganize tribes forced to disband under the punitive assimilation legislation of the Fifties
    • Pushing ahead to do about twenty years' worth of OTL amendments to the earned-income credit in one swell foop
    • Putting a deeply competent, liberal woman on the Supreme Court, and a probably-even-more-capable black woman on the Court of Appeals
    • MECA MECA MECA
    • Flurb! Also WHO'S BOXED IN TO OAKLAND NOW, AL DAVIS?!? WHO? HUH? HUH? *eye twitches*
    And, as they say, that's not all. Also getting more deeply "out" of Southeast Asia than OTL's Nixon/Ford crew did. With other stuff besides. We'll get to more as we go along, really it's not at all a bad art-of-the-possible record so far. The question is (1) how high are expectations for McGovern's most dedicated (and, often, most lefty) supporters and (2) how much will the Right light their hair on fire over anything McGovern gets done and present it as THE DOOM TIME OF CIVILIZATION. We'll get more at that - New Right "messaging" - over time also.
     
  16. King of the Uzbeks Charles Curtis is my Baby Daddy

    Joined:
    May 28, 2013
    Location:
    Not-Tashkent (sadly)
    Also praise and commendations for your excellent work etc etc.
     
    President_Lincoln and Yes like this.
  17. Yes Safe, Efficient Airship Travel Since 1972

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2013
    Location:
    The Shire, somewhere in Cascadia
    It would indeed get interesting.

    We can "thank" Friedrich Hayek for a lot of mischief over the years.


    Well, at the very least everything as idealized philosophical constructs and nothing as human, much less humane.

    Yeah, it gets in there at times. And, bourbon-drinker from LOU-UH-VULL that Thompson was, he's one of the first to identify and lay out in strategic terms what one might call the profundity of Dixie in the really visceral opposition to McGovern. The distance between McGovern Derangement Syndrome and Obama Derangement Syndrome can chiefly be spanned by adding the word "... lover."

    Yarp. Not, y'know, a hard core anorak (as the Brits would say) who gets all the newsletters, but a considerable low-key railfan nonetheless. It's that McGovern as The Last Progressive upbringing out on the Great Plains where the Braudelian mathematics of social geography, as it were, ran on the lines of "no railroad here OK YOU DIE NOW." Mitchell was a college town, and a tourist town what with the Corn Palace, but also very much it was a railhead town, one of the key stops along South Dakota's actually-populated geographic spur east of the Missouri River. Even in his ginger-group "move the party leftward" primaries run in 1984 IOTL, in the brevity of his campaign pamphlets (thanks, 4President.org!) one thing McGovern mentioned was the opportunity to recapitalize America's rail system into the best in the world, and the effects that would have on (1) US agriculture and (2) economic development in rural areas and secondary cities. So, yeah, he was partisan.


    Yes - and he's married to Betty, who he both loves pretty much unconditionally and has given him some considerable stick about this proposal in private.


    [​IMG]

    Accept no substitutes. Also, this should come as no surprise: McGovern has a thing for iconoclastic WWII vets, being one and all.


    DO THE FLURB. Also, that's a ways down the Butterfly Field but the concept is out there now, and it is really a more vigorous model than the MLB approach. So whether it does or it doesn't, the whole Gramscian war-of-position deal has shifted towards that angle through this measure.

    It can be A Thing, that is true.

    Buh bye, Damascus.

    That said, one thing about History as it exists across all the time streams is, it likes to rhyme. Where, and how, and whether it will or won't even involve the United States, if anything does happen, remains to be seen.

    PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE WHITE HOOD BEHIND THE CURTAIN.

    It certainly speaks of a very inconvenient truth for the right. Nixon had already brought the conversation well along Lee Atwater's "you can't just shout The N Word anymore" path on tax relief, the dignity of work, law and order, etc., but this is a reminder that on beyond Goldwaterite neo-feudalist free market nostrums, the real core of resistance to McGovern's meta-economic program comes from folks who wouldn't even let slip their sword from their cold, dead hand if you so much as think about empowering black folks. Also Jesse has enough feral cunning to get Atwater-smart after this faux pas, indeed for His People he can now let that hang out there in perpetuity, so they always have the comfort of knowing he believes what they believe, they can let that pass in silence now and get on with, y'know, denying people of color a viable future.
     
  18. THE OBSERVER Independent Progressive

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2010
    Location:
    New England
    You could have stopovers for refueling and still have significant time savings.
     
    Yes likes this.
  19. Yes Safe, Efficient Airship Travel Since 1972

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2013
    Location:
    The Shire, somewhere in Cascadia
    [​IMG]

    Gettin' it done. Also, of course, author of perhaps the original "please proceed, Governor" move when she rope-a-doped the Dixiecrats into banning sex discrimination in the Civil Rights Act in an effort to kill the bill. Now that is some third-degree black belt Congressional judo.
     
  20. President_Lincoln The Great Emancipator

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2017
    Location:
    United States
    An impressive list of accomplishments so far, to be sure! :)
     
Loading...