MBAMs of OTL - Specific Data (religious, linguistic, etc.) Thread

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  1. AcipenserSturio (also known as Atlantic Sturgeon)

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    Montenegro, based on this (featuring the actual Montenegrin language)
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    Btw, I feel like South Slavic languages are unreadable, especially Bosnian next to Serbian, we should probably work on that
     
  2. AcipenserSturio (also known as Atlantic Sturgeon)

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    Changed some South and West Slavic colors, added Montenegro, also added stripes to Carpathian Ruthenia (since Ukraine doesn't recognise the Rusyns as an actual ethnic group, we don't really have info on what parts of Carpathian Ruthenia are Ukrainian majority and which are Rusyn)
     
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  3. BryanIII Well-Known Member

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    Isn't Montenegrin basically a dialect of Serbo-croatian!? :p
     
  4. Qberty123 Just a guy who likes maps

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    This is a fantastic map, its coming along greatly, I have a few suggestions for the map.

    In Hrodna voblast in Belarus there is a region of polish speakers, not shown on the map, if included based on the densities used in Lithuania it would look something similar this:
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    A density by district map can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Poles_in_Belarus_share_2009.png

    In Bosnia and Herzegovina, there is a small Croatian speaking region known as Posavina Canton that is sandwiched between srpska and croatia also not on the map
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    Turkey is definitely going to need a lot of work, Hatay Province is shown on the map as Kurdish, but is actually predominantly Turkish and Arabic Speaking with few Kurds at all. In Central Turkey there is another language called Zazaki, while it is similar to the Kurdish language it is a completely separate language. Throughout the Kurdish regions there are many Turkish speaking areas and there is a significant amount of regional overlap between the two, hatched lines may be a solution for the most mixed parts of Turkey.
     
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  6. Kvasir We shall overcome #EU

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    Scots is not spoken in Edinburgh. Source, me. Lived there for 5 years.
     
  7. VT45 Cartographer Extraordinaire

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    Kurdish isn't spoken in Gaziantep or Hatay. It's pretty solidly Turkish-speaking. As is Sanliurfa. Also Kurdish isn't a Turkic language; it's an Indo-European language related to Farsi.
     
  8. AcipenserSturio (also known as Atlantic Sturgeon)

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    That's what the legend/key already implies
     
  9. VT45 Cartographer Extraordinaire

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    Oh, I saw Talysh and read it as Turkish. Carry on.
     
  10. Qberty123 Just a guy who likes maps

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    I am attempting to work out the Kurdish regions of Eastern Turkey, there definitely are a lot of conflicting maps concerning the region and finding a perfect one will be impossible, especially considering the Turkish government refuses to recognize the Kurd's as a distinct group in any of its official records.
    A really helpful (but by no means ideal) map I did find was this one:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Hdp2015Kasım.png
    It shows percentage of voters per district that voted for the pro-kurdish HDP party, assuming that the majority of its voters are kurdish it gives a good estimate of the distribution of Kurds in Turkey.

    Here is my first attempt, it is bound to contain countless errors as it is only a rough draft based on indirect data and it still requires the addition of the Zaza language speakers, which will overlap with Kurdish regions:
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    If anyone has any suggestions or finds any major errors let me know, and if anyone has a better distribution map with more accurate sources let me know. Also we will need a color for Zazaki, it is an Iranic language just like Kurdish or Persian, so it should be shaded similarly.
     
  11. VT45 Cartographer Extraordinaire

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    That looks a lot more reasonable and in line with what I know from my time over there.
     
  12. Qberty123 Just a guy who likes maps

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    Added in Zaza in its core regions, its going to be very difficult to find the proper boundaries between Kurdish and Zaza, a lot of it is going to need to be hatched because of overlap, I'm going to try and do some more research if I have some time this weekend.
    I also restored the azeri regions in igdar province that got removed by mistake with my last edit, I'm also contemplating weather Laz should be made separate from Georgian or perhaps listed as Georgian/Laz.
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  13. AcipenserSturio (also known as Atlantic Sturgeon)

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    I'd go make languages in Russia more precise, but Russia itself isn't the same projection

    Is it still worth it nonetheless?
     
  14. Chris S Member

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    So a patch illustrating roughly what I'm suggesting here (but without the West Polesian dialect in Belarus and Ukraine which would have to be added):
     

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  15. Chris S Member

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    Go ahead, why not? Could also include Ukrainian language in the border areas of southern Russia
     
  16. AcipenserSturio (also known as Atlantic Sturgeon)

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    Merged fixes + a couple of minor things
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    I might as well fix Ukraine's border I guess
     
  17. AcipenserSturio (also known as Atlantic Sturgeon)

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    Here's Ukraine fixed
    Not the most accurate fix I've ever made, but hey, it works for our purposes
     
  18. Tomislav Addai Well-Known Member

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    Turkey: let us not forget:
    • Mardin province:a couple of Assyrian villages in the area
    • Antioch province: Armenian village of Vakirfli https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vakıflı,_Samandağ
    • Just south of it, in Lattakia province is the Armenian town of Kessab
    • I lack knowledge of any Aramaic speakers in Aleppo province
     
  19. Tomislav Addai Well-Known Member

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    Also, is it worth considering making Basque speaking areas of the Spanish Basque Country monolingual?'As Valencia and Catalonia are too
     
  20. Qberty123 Just a guy who likes maps

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    I redid the zaza areas with hatched lines to show overlapping regions, the range of the hatched lines may be extend a little farther than they should (or possibly not far enough in some areas), I tried to keep it solid only in the areas where the zaza speakers are densest and/or shown consistently across various source maps. I've run out of time for today, but if I can find the time this weekend I will try to research by province and then by district to see if I can find other locations where Turkish and Kurdish communities overlap, I know there are a lot of Turkish settlements in the Kurdish provinces and there are Kurdish communities scattered in pockets throughout central anatolia.

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