We JUST had two threads about this.
The furthest south the US could have annexed without any massive problems is the Tropic of Cancer. A more likely alternate annexation would be OTL+ the five border states today (counting all of Baja as one).
"All Mexico" winds up destroying the US.
We JUST had two threads about this.
The furthest south the US could have annexed without any massive problems is the Tropic of Cancer. A more likely alternate annexation would be OTL+ the five border states today (counting all of Baja as one).
"All Mexico" winds up destroying the US.
We JUST had two threads about this.
The furthest south the US could have annexed without any massive problems is the Tropic of Cancer. A more likely alternate annexation would be OTL+ the five border states today (counting all of Baja as one).
"All Mexico" winds up destroying the US.
Unless it is annexed gradually through two or more wars against Mexico.
Wait, so All Mexico was plausible, just very bad?
No, no, no. Well, yes. It's possible that it could have happened, had we had a more… liberal Congress. It would NOT have lasted. We're talking major guerrilla nonsense in the super-deep South leading up to the Civil War (which is also pushed up a few years), and when the Confederacy breaks free, you can bet the super-deep South will, too. The former will obviously be defeated and reincorporated, but I doubt all of the latter would.
And that's only because we were intolerant, racist idiots back then. Treating all citizens of former-Mexico as true, legitimate US citizens and you don't wind up with guerrilla warfare.
Personally, I don't believe most Mexicans would ever have accepted annexation, no matter how many decades passed, they'd always remember that they'd had a country and a culture of their own, that had been stolen from them. This feeling would be passed on from one generation to the next, and there would always be some level of unrest (we'd probably have called the resistance fighters insurrectos or bandits rather than insurgents, to delegitimize their activity).
But the entire country could never have been pacified and assimilated. Too much territory, and too many people, for the US to swallow…
…even in several "bites".
Look at our two countries today. The US is first world, Mexico remains third world. Look at quality of life. Look at lifespans. Look at INCOME.
Mexico is not Third World, unless Serbia, Saudi Arabia, Russia, etc. are.
My aim is maximum issues, so if the all Mexico movement could plausibly have succeeded but ended in chaose that's good for my goal.
Very good. Just what I'm after.That will be fun, but yeah the successful all mexico could result in a very fun at least tripple sided (possibly more) civil war that will leave the US absolutely devastated.
I know that "All Mexico" is pretty unlikely, but what is the most territory that the US might plausibly annex from Mexico following the Mexican American war?
Why? The same wasn't true of anywhere else.
Eh… not quote agreed. If we're talking about backing places that wanted independence from Mexico… that then became part of the US thanks to US involvement in their independence and equal representation as states of the Union… we could have taken a fair bit more. A lot of what didn't get annexed peacefully didn't because of stuff on OUR end (racism, fear, and insults), not of any concern over insurgencies… that quite possibly wouldn't have taken place.
Look at our two countries today. The US is first world, Mexico remains third world. Look at quality of life. Look at lifespans. Look at INCOME.
The Mexican states with the highest personal incomes are, surprise surprise, the five that border the US. Their citizens are far and away the best off of any in the country (minus, of course, the fear of the drug cartels there that have less sway further south). But they're still NOTHING compared to the incomes and quality of life of proper US states. Hence the massive illegal immigration.
With absolutely no disrespect meant to anyone, I'd like to pose a personal theory/solution to this problem OTL and in present day. I won't if our thread creator doesn't want it, however.
If the USA wants more than half of it, they're probably going to have to go for all of it. That reality of course underscores that Guadalupe Hidalgo was plenty vindictive enough.