Maximum Plausible Pakistan?

After 60 years of Indian rule I doubt Pakistan wants the valley and knows obtaining it is impossible. Rather the rivalry continues because it is so convenient for both nations. A welcome distraction from internal problems, and a great excuse for gigantic military budgets and nuclear arms programs.

To be fair, Indo-Pakistani relations at this point in time are the best they have ever been. Of course there are psychotics on either side with delusions that another round of fighting would bring anything but misery and quite possibly nuclear war, but for the most part you haven't seen a better set of bilateral relations between the two until now. Though given the proxy fighting between India and Pakistan for influence in Afghanistan, this could hardly be described as anything approaching a live and let live relationship.
 

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Apparently, there may have been serious talk of a corridor across North India connecting the two Pakistans when Pakistan was partitioned. There is certainly such talk now, apparently, with militant Muslims in Pakistan and Bangladesh calling for :"Mughalstan" and equally militant Hindu groups attempting to expose such agitation. As this excerpts from the website Bengalgenocide illustrates:
comprehensive plan for a second partition of India was first developed by the Mughalstan Research Institute (MRI) of Jahangir Nagar University (Bangladesh) under the patronage of the two intelligence agencies, Pakistan’s Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) and Bangladesh’s Director General of Forces Intelligence, DGFI. The “Mughalistan Reaserch Institute of Bangladesh” has released a map where a Muslim corridor named “Mughalistan” connects Pakistan and Bangladesh via India.
The Pakistani Punjabi-dominated ISI’s influence on MRI is evident even in the Punjabi-centric pronunciation of the word ‘Mughalstan’ (without the “i”), instead of the typical Urdu pronunciation (Mughalistan). Islamic Jihadis in India have been well-armed and well-funded by the neighbouring Islamic regimes, as part of Operation Topac – the late Pakistani President Zia-ul-Haq’s grandiose plot to balkanize India.

Not surprisingly, Osama Bin Laden has thrown his support behind the concept and creation of this Greater Pakistan to “liberate” the Muslims of India from the Hindus. The Mumbai underworld (led by Karachi-based don Dawood Ibrahim who executed the gruesome 1993 Mumbai bombings), Jamaat-e-Islami, Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Jaish-e-Mohammad and Hizbul Mujahideen have declared their unified support for creating this undivided Islamic nation in the Indian subcontinent. The Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) and Indian Mujahideen are working in tandem with the aforementioned organizations to waged Jihad against the Hindus of India.

It is important to note that in its “holy war” against India, the Lashkar-e-Tayyaba has openly declared Hindus to be the "enemies of Islam" who should all be converted or killed. The Lashkar-e-Tayyaba group has repeatedly claimed through its journals and websites that its main aim is to destroy the Indian republic and to annihilate Hinduism. Jaish-e-Mohammed has vowed to "liberate" not just Kashmir, but also to hoist the Islamic flag atop the historic Red Fort after capturing New Delhi and the rest of India.

SIMI has championed the "liberation of India through Islam" and aim to restore the supremacy of Islam through the resurrection of the Khilafat (Islamic Caliphate), emphasis on the Muslim Ummah (Islamic) and the waging of Jihad on the Indian state, secularism, democracy and nationalism – the basic keystones of the Indian Constitution – as these concepts are antithetical to Islam. The Indian Mujahideen have sent several emails claiming responsibility for several bombings in Lucknow, Varanasi and Faizabad (in Uttar Pradesh), Bangalore, Jaipur, Ahmedabad and New Delhi in 2007 and 2008. The emails refer to notorious Islamic conquerors of India (Mohammed bin Qasim, Mohammad Ghauri and Mahmud Ghaznawi) as their role-models, refer to Hindu blood as “blood to be the cheapest of all mankind” and taunt Hindus that their “[Hindu] history is full of subjugation, humiliation, and insult [at the hands of Islamic conquerors]".

The Indian Mujahideen’s emails warn the Hindus to “Accept Islam and save yourselves” and or else face a horrible fate: – “Hindus! O disbelieving faithless Indians! Haven’t you still realized that the falsehood of your 33 crore dirty mud idols and the blasphemy of your deaf, dumb, mute and naked idols of ram, krishna and hanuman are not at all going to save your necks, Insha-Allah, from being slaughtered by our [Muslim] hands?”
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Background

Pakistan’s emergence in 1947 was as a “mutilated, truncated, moth-eaten Pakistan, in M.A. Jinnah’s own words, because the Muslim League’s original plan did not envisage the partition of Punjab and Bengal. Today, Mughalistan is Jinnah’s dream come true.

The Partition of India provided temporary respite to the Indians and merely postponed the inevitable outcome. By 1971, all across Sindh, Western Punjab, Gandhara (Kandahar) and Eastern Bengal, the native populations of the Indian Religionists (Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains) have been wiped out almost entirely by conversion, massacre and mass exodus. Extrapolating this scenario, we find ominous results. This Islamic beach-head, which squeezes India from both sides (Pakistan and Bangladesh), gradually links up with a Fifth Column within India and gains fresh territorial and demographic victories within the last two decades (Kashmir valley, several districts of West Bengal and Assam, Malappuram district in Kerala and the Hyderabad-Deccan region). The Islamic Anschluss creeps steadily and bloodily, until the Western beach-head (Pakistan) is linked up demographically with the Eastern beach-head (Bangladesh) through the formation of a Islam-dominated belt called “Mughalstan”, that will then run through Jammu, Mewat, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, West Bengal and Assam.

So there is plenty of room for timelines in which this actually happens.
 
So there is plenty of room for timelines in which this actually happens.

Their really is'nt; Northern India is the most densely populated part of India and even before partition would, save for some small pockets, would have been majority Hindu and lastly their would've been opposition from all sides.

The ridiculous 'plans' of an extremist minority should not be taken seriously.
 
To be fair, Indo-Pakistani relations at this point in time are the best they have ever been. Of course there are psychotics on either side with delusions that another round of fighting would bring anything but misery and quite possibly nuclear war, but for the most part you haven't seen a better set of bilateral relations between the two until now. Though given the proxy fighting between India and Pakistan for influence in Afghanistan, this could hardly be described as anything approaching a live and let live relationship.
I think that it is beginning to approach a live and let live relationship. Slowly, of course, and indeed with a lot of opposition, but I believe that that's where it is going. Who knows? Perhaps in 50 years, the whole brother-country relationship envisioned, may just happen. Here's hoping.
 
Perhaps have the British succeed in the Anglo-Afghan Wars and annex the region outright. Once Independence rolls around, this Muslim-majority region would no doubt be a part of a new Pakistan. Or is the British conquering the region too implausible?
Given that Partition in itself isn't set in stone to happen, probably not. Indeed Afghanistan being part of India would likely not even go for it, since their influence over their own state is guaranteed. And the Muslim population would certainly have more influence.
 
I think that it is beginning to approach a live and let live relationship. Slowly, of course, and indeed with a lot of opposition, but I believe that that's where it is going. Who knows? Perhaps in 50 years, the whole brother-country relationship envisioned, may just happen. Here's hoping.

Pretty much my feeling, one should never underestimate the capacity of mankind to embrace change. That is my feeling on where it is going, and in the absence of a major upset, the trend is in favor of better relations as opposed to the current, awkward status quo of quiet tension.
 
Pretty much my feeling, one should never underestimate the capacity of mankind to embrace change. That is my feeling on where it is going, and in the absence of a major upset, the trend is in favor of better relations as opposed to the current, awkward status quo of quiet tension.
I really hope so. I know there are some (very much the minority) politicians on both sides of the border advocating a commonwealth type deal. Perhaps in the future, something like this may occur.
 

Sounds like a bunch of extremist-Hindu fear mongering. Nobody in their right mind can think something like this is possible. Bangladesh fought for independence from Pakistan, I doubt they would want to return to being dominated by them. And..is that Indonesia? :confused:

Furthermore, look at the map. It shows India owning all of Kashmir, meaning it was made by Indian nationalists.
 
Sounds like a bunch of extremist-Hindu fear mongering. Nobody in their right mind can think something like this is possible. Bangladesh fought for independence from Pakistan, I doubt they would want to return to being dominated by them. And..is that Indonesia? :confused:

Furthermore, look at the map. It shows India owning all of Kashmir, meaning it was made by Indian nationalists.
not necessarily. SUch a fringe group is not very surprising. Every religion has their crazy fringe groups. It is laughably implausible and the group trying to make that map a reality is more delusional than al quaida. Therefore they should be ignored and so there shouldn't be much emphasis to be placed on this article.

But I do believe those groups do exist. it is just that they are small and crazy. Also I see nothing wrong with nationalists. Plus a few mistakes here or there shouldnt be cause of suspension of disbelief. Its like saying a britishman who is a nationalist is bad. Or french nation supporters are bad. or greek nation suporters are bad. As long as crazy revisionsim that makes no sense and has no basis isnt happening. The group doesn't use terrorism, and etc I see no problem with nationlists. After all they are exercising their free speech and arent a threat to anybody and they may have kernels of good points in what they say ifyou ignore the blabber parts. That is if one looks objectivly at that article or any article printed by nationalists. So completely dismissing it is incorrect given one or two things it says may be correct. The stuff you know is untrue that you can ignore.
 
Sounds like a bunch of extremist-Hindu fear mongering. Nobody in their right mind can think something like this is possible. Bangladesh fought for independence from Pakistan, I doubt they would want to return to being dominated by them. And..is that Indonesia? :confused:

Furthermore, look at the map. It shows India owning all of Kashmir, meaning it was made by Indian nationalists.


Quoted for truth- this is from one of those crazy ultranationalist groups.
 
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