Maximilian's legacy: Interwar and Post World War 2

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Some suggestions for the new Mexican battleships and carriers

More pics for the Mexican Marina Imperial battlecruisers based on the Commonwealth’3 battlecruisers (still dont have any name yet), these ships are what the Mexican built to counter the IJN 8-8 fleet with 16inch battleships and the new Yamato class battleships.
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In addition, Mexico has also prioritized on construction of four more fleet carriers to counter the Japanese. Four new fleet carriers were completed in 1940 and later transferred to the Pacific Fleet. The new Mexican fleet carriers consist of the BSM Aguila, the BSM Imperio and the two Mexicana class fleet carriers BSM Mexicana BSM Cristobal Colon (named after Christopher Columbus)

The BSM Aguila fleet carrier is the first of the four new Mexican fleet carriers to be completed, followed by the BSM Cristobal Colon and BSM Mexicana and finally the BSM Imperio.
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BSM Aguila under construction
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BSM Imperio under construction and scale model for the carrier Imperio.
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BSM Cristobal Colon under construction and plan for the Mexicana class.
(The Mexican fleet CVs are actually based on OTL Italian Regia Marina ships but since Italy is a rump state ITTL Mexico will do just fine as substitute)
 
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For the Japanese, you can also have them establish several puppet states in Manchuria and Korea and funding South East Asian independent movements against Germany and Mexico colonial governments.

In fact, if the Japanese really want to put the facade to make it seems like they are liberators of Asia, they would have done this then deceive the “liberated” Asia into joining their Pan-Pacific Co-prosperity Sphere.

For Korea, you can Japanese put the former Korean Crown Prince of Joseon/Japanese General Yi Un back to the throne of a puppet Empire of Korea, just to make it looks like Korea was granted autonomy but in reality its just transformed from an annexed territory into a protectorate puppet state to Japan.
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For Manchuria, Pu Yi would be the Emperor of the Manchukuko puppet state just like OTL. Although in this case, his Puppet state would have the proper support from Kuomingtan and the Communists to fight the Entente supported Beiyang government.
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On January 5, 1940 the Japanese launched Operation Z, the surprise attack on the Mexican Naval Base in Indochina, Cam Ranh Bay. The Mastermind of the attack was General Chuichi Nagumo and he hoped this attack would force Mexico to back out of a war against Japan and force Mexico to give in to Japanese demands.

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The attack started in 5:00 A.M. in the morning with Japanese Zeros, bombers, and their super weapon, Yamato they achieved the element of surprise and massive casualties were suffered with 3 Battleships and 10 destroyers lost. But they made the critical mistake of not attacking the aircraft carriers on the far south of the bay first and because of that the Mexicans were able to get their planes, Polish PZL-11s and Fokker D.XXls, off their carriers and massive dogfights began.

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While the Mexicans had more planes then the Japanese, they were woefully outdated against the more manoeuvrable Zeros and many of the planes were shot down but that gave the remaining battleships, destroyers, and light cruisers time to reorganize and try to take on the beast Yamato.

The Battle got under way with Yamato firing first, instantly causing one destroyer, BMS Aguila, to explode. The destroyers fired back, only denting her left side, realizing they were woefully outgunned they tried to surround her and fire at her sides. It was during this manoeuvre two more cruisers were lost but they managed to get around, and one new battleship, BMS Imperator, The newest of the Imperator class Super Battleships completed back in December emulating both the HMS Hood and SMS Bismarck, outfitted with nine 406mm guns. Miraculously the Imperator managed to survived the Zero and bomber onslaught and now in position opened fire on the left side of the Yamato, penetrating her armour.

Shocked and mouth agape the captain of the Yamato, Gihachi Takayanagi, realizing the Marina Imperial had a battleship capable of puncturing the armour ordered a retreat rather then risk losing the pride of the Imperial Japanese Navy.

By 7:00 A.M. the Battle of Cam Ranh Bay was over the results were catastrophic for the Marina: 3 Battleships, 12 Destroyers, and 5 light cruisers were sunk and destroyed while also losing 200 aircraft and 4,000 sailors and pilots. The Japanese lost only 50 pilots.

What the Japanese hoped for a knock out blow didn't happen, while they destroyed a huge chunk of the Pacific fleet, they didn't destroy the Marina and instead of demoralizing the Mexicans it only infuriated them and Mexico declared war on Japan and immediately signed a new Treaty with the Commonwealth to help Mexico defeat the Japanese.

The Japanese accidentally awoken a beast and this wouldn't be the last mistake they did.​
 
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To continue on the interwar ships of the Marina Imperial, these are the candidates for heavy and light cruisers and destroyers and submarines

The Imperial Mexican Navy and Spanish Royal Navy would use the same type of light cruiser with the SNS Reina Victoria Eugenia class, the class consists of 4 ships, BSM Veracruz, BSM Santo Dominigo, BSM Belize for the Marina Imperial and lastly the SNS Reina Victoria Eugenia for the Spanish. (In OTL the Reina Victoria Eugenia is a unique light cruiser)
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Aside from the three cruisers of the Reina Victoria Eugenia class, the Marina Imperial also purchased several German light cruiser designs in the interwar periods and has their own locally built models, perhaps some light cruisers based on the German Nurnberg class or the older Great War era Dresden class. About 6 Nurnberg types and 10 Dresden types would be the probable numbers they can field.
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For heavy cruisers, perhaps one or two ships similar to the German Admiral Hipper class as their modern heavy cruisers and four Mexican version of the German Great war era Blucher or Greek Georgios Averof armored cruisers for older great war era cruisers of Mexico.
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Lastly for destroyers and submarines
Their mainstay destroyers would likely to be the license built version of the older Great War era German G101 class destroyers and the Mexican version of the OTL Italian Capitani Romani class flotilla cruiser as their more modern “super destroyers” design to outgun and outfight any Japanese destroyers in combat. For the total number of DDs, perhaps 42 ships would suffice
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For submarines, the best choice would be the German Type VII U-boats, perhaps more than dozen submarines of this type for safe measure. Preferrably around 24-36 ships.
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To sum up, the Marina Imperial would have had 6 heavy/armored cruisers, 20 light cruisers, 42 destroyers and 36 submarines at the beginning of the war.

Its smaller than the US and the Dominion of Canada Navy but its size is still pretty large. This is basically the bulk of the Mexican fleet after the naval arms race with Japan in the interwar period.
 
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To continue on the interwar ships of the Marina Imperial, these are the candidates for heavy and light cruisers and destroyers and submarines

The Imperial Mexican Navy and Spanish Royal Navy would use the same type of light cruiser with the SNS Reina Victoria Eugenia class, the class consists of 4 ships, BSM Veracruz, BSM Santo Dominigo, BSM Belize for the Marina Imperial and lastly the SNS Reina Victoria Eugenia for the Spanish. (In OTL the Reina Victoria Eugenia is a unique light cruiser)
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Aside from the three cruisers of the Reina Victoria Eugenia class, the Marina Imperial also purchased several German light cruiser designs in the interwar periods and has their own locally built models, perhaps some light cruisers based on the German Nurnberg class or the older Great War era Dresden class. About 6 Nurnberg types and 10 Dresden types would be the probable numbers they can field.
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For heavy cruisers, perhaps one or two ships similar to the German Admiral Hipper class as their modern heavy cruisers and four Mexican version of the German Great war era Blucher or Greek Georgios Averof armored cruisers for older great war era cruisers of Mexico.
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Lastly for destroyers and submarines
Their mainstay destroyers would likely to be the license built version of the older Great War era German G101 class destroyers and the Mexican version of the OTL Italian Capitani Romani class flotilla cruiser as their more modern “super destroyers” design to outgun and outfight any Japanese destroyers in combat. For the total number of DDs, perhaps 42 ships would suffice
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For submarines, the best choice would be the German Type VII U-boats, perhaps more than dozen submarines of this type for safe measure. Preferrably around 24-36 ships.
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To sum up, the Marina Imperial would have had 6 heavy/armored cruisers, 20 light cruisers, 42 destroyers and 36 submarines at the beginning of the war.

Its smaller than the US and the Dominion of Canada Navy but its size is still pretty large. This is basically the bulk of the Mexican fleet after the naval arms race with Japan in the interwar period.

What about French, Soviet, Italian, Ottoman and Austrian ships? Could the Ottoman Navy pose a threat to the Soviet Union and can the combined Austrian and Sicilian navies take on the French Sardinian navies?

Also could there be a possibility that the Romanov Empress could somehow create a new white army and cause trouble for the Soviet Union?
 
I will probably recommend more detailed things on France,Soviet later but the Italian navy is not a big threat to Austria Hungary and its German allies as its fleet is a shadow of its former Regia Marina self, the Italian battlefleet after the war were divided amongs the allies as war spoils.

Initially the Central Powers thought Italy has completed their 15in guns super dreadnoughts of Caracciolo class and they planned to demand Italy handed these to them but after they found out these ships are far from complete, this is how the former Regia Marina battlefleet was dismantled

-One Cavour class battleship, the Conte di Cavour was given to the Ottoman under the name Kanuni Sultan Suleyman (Sultan Suleiman the Great)
-The two Andrea Doria class battleships were given to Germany and Austria
-One Cavour class battleship, Leonardo da Vinci was given to Mexico
-The incomplete Francesco Caracciolo battleship hull which had already launched would be towed back to Germany to be used as target ship.

Italy was allowed to retain the remaining dreadnought Dante Alighieri, four pre-dreadnoughts of the Regina Elena class as their token post war defense fleet.

After Italy brokeup into several states, these ships were split between Kingdom of Sardinia and Kingdom of two Siciles, with the German sponsored Kingdom of two Siciles get the Dante Alighieri and the two pre-dreads Napoli and Roma, while Sardinia got the two Regina Elena and Vittorio Emmanuele.

Due to Italy fragmented state and its industry in ruins, the Possibility of building something like the Roma class is pretty much out of the question and impossible ITTL.
 
I will probably recommend more detailed things on France,Soviet later but the Italian navy is not a big threat to Austria Hungary and its German allies as its fleet is a shadow of its former Regia Marina self, the Italian battlefleet after the war were divided amongs the allies as war spoils.

Initially the Central Powers thought Italy has completed their 15in guns super dreadnoughts of Caracciolo class and they planned to demand Italy handed these to them but after they found out these ships are far from complete, this is how the former Regia Marina battlefleet was dismantled

-One Cavour class battleship, the Conte di Cavour was given to the Ottoman under the name Kanuni Sultan Suleyman (Sultan Suleiman the Great)
-The two Andrea Doria class battleships were given to Germany and Austria
-One Cavour class battleship, Leonardo da Vinci was given to Mexico
-The incomplete Francesco Caracciolo battleship hull which had already launched would be towed back to Germany to be used as target ship.

Italy was allowed to retain the remaining dreadnought Dante Alighieri, four pre-dreadnoughts of the Regina Elena class as their token post war defense fleet.

After Italy brokeup into several states, these ships were split between Kingdom of Sardinia and Kingdom of two Siciles, with the German sponsored Kingdom of two Siciles get the Dante Alighieri and the two pre-dreads Napoli and Roma, while Sardinia got the two Regina Elena and Vittorio Emmanuele.

Due to Italy fragmented state and its industry in ruins, the Possibility of building something like the Roma class is pretty much out of the question and impossible ITTL.
Thinking about it, we all know how shit the Italian tanks were in OTL imagine how God awful the Sardinian tanks are, unless the French are giving them tanks. I'm curious though, I have plans for the Mexican colonies and their participation in the war, especially South Africa what was their equipment and did they have tanks or ships and what would be the consequences of the combined Ottoman and Persian armies taking on their ancient enemy Russia?
 
Well to be fair the Sardinian tanks would be just like Italy in OTL, lots of tankettes with paper armor and peashooter MGs, or light tanks that are better suited as scout tanks (L6/40) or too old to serve (Fiat 3000) while their M11/39 or M13/40 medium tanks are no match for the newer allies tanks rolling around.
 
For French tanks, opposed to their defensive oriented OTL, the army would prefer something that can go fast and hit hard So there are plenty of options here.

First is their “armored cars” which are essentially light recon tanks equivalent to Panzer I and Panzer II,the AMR-33 and AMR-35. These tanks were only armed with 7.7mm or 13.2mm MGs,at best, some models had 25mm Hotchkiss AT cannon.
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Second is their proper light tanks, this consists of the AMC-34, this tank used the same turret as the Renault FT so it can be cheaply mass produced, although the later models had a turret with short barreled 47mm gun, France also has a sizeable number of older Renault FT laying around mainly used for local security patrols.
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For medium tanks, this is where France has plenty of good choices. The first is the cavalry tank AMC-35 with two man turret and good 47mm gun while also had decent armor to protect the crew against light AT gun. Second is the excellent Somua S35 cavalry tankwhich has 47mm single manned turret, well armored hull and also decent speed. Both tanks are agile, has punchy 47mm guns however the cost to maintain an AMC-35 is cheaper than the Somua S35, which has much more costly casted sloped armor and the suspensions difficult to repair.
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For Heavy tanks, France starts off with the Char B1 with one-man 47mm turret and short 75mm howitzer in the hull and then they can move to the heavier ARL-44 , with the early series armed with 75mm cannon and then upgraded to 90mm cannon , the ARL-44 can served as the French equivalent of Tiger I ITTL, heavy, slow and tend to be mechnaically unreliable, then France can develop the larger and faster AMX-50 with 100mm gun as their Tiger II equivalent.
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For the French equivalent to the Stug III tank destroyer/assault gun, i give you this, the SAu-40 assault gun with hull mounted 75mm and a MG turret based on the Somua S35 chassis.
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For French tanks, opposed to their defensive oriented OTL, the army would prefer something that can go fast and hit hard So there are plenty of options here.

First is their “armored cars” which are essentially light recon tanks equivalent to Panzer I and Panzer II,the AMR-33 and AMR-35. These tanks were only armed with 7.7mm or 13.2mm MGs,at best, some models had 25mm Hotchkiss AT cannon.
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Second is their proper light tanks, this consists of the AMC-34, this tank used the same turret as the Renault FT so it can be cheaply mass produced, although the later models had a turret with short barreled 47mm gun, France also has a sizeable number of older Renault FT laying around mainly used for local security patrols.
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For medium tanks, this is where France has plenty of good choices. The first is the cavalry tank AMC-35 with two man turret and good 47mm gun while also had decent armor to protect the crew against light AT gun. Second is the excellent Somua S35 cavalry tankwhich has 47mm single manned turret, well armored hull and also decent speed.

Both tanks are agile, has punchy 47mm guns however the cost to maintain an AMC-35 is cheaper than the Somua S35, which has much more costly casted sloped armor and the suspensions difficult to repair.
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For Heavy tanks, France starts off with the Char B1 with one-man 47mm turret and short 75mm howitzer in the hull and then they can move to the heavier ARL-44 , with the early series armed with 75mm cannon and then upgraded to 90mm cannon , the ARL-44 can served as the French equivalent of Tiger I ITTL, heavy, slow and tend to be mechnaically unreliable, then France can develop the larger and faster AMX-50 with 100mm gun as their Tiger II equivalent.
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For the French equivalent to the Stug III tank destroyer/assault gun, i give you this, the SAu-40 assault gun with hull mounted 75mm and a MG turret based on the Somua S35 chassis.
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Right now I have plans on how Mexico and the Commonwealth will handle Japan and how Mexico will handle France, Britain, and Sardinia. But I have to ask you: could we potentially see a sort of a invasion of Norway and Denmark in this Second Weltkrieg or would it be wasteful?
 
Right now I have plans on how Mexico and the Commonwealth will handle Japan and how Mexico will handle France, Britain, and Sardinia. But I have to ask you: could we potentially see a sort of a invasion of Norway and Denmark in this Second Weltkrieg or would it be wasteful?
You can actually have the UoB or France annex Denmark and Norway as these nations are actually militarily weak. If both the UoB ans France has managed to renounce their treaties and had early remilitarization, this also works too.

Bear in mind that UoB still has three antiquated battlecruisers that can be deployed quickly to Denmark and Norway to support their troops there. While UoB tanks are of older types than the Commonwealth, they are still formidable and face almost little to no opposition as these two Nordic countries lacked AT guns and armored vehicles to counter UoB armored assaults.
 
My final question would be what kind of equipment would the South African army have and what would be the chance of a new white army made of Russian emigres?
 
The South African Army would probably received a sizeable amount of light artillery like 75mm mountain guns and AT guns like 37mm Bofors AT gun from Mexico as well as a few dozen light tanks, either the old WW1 German LK II types or the newer Vickers 6 ton bought from Dominion of Canada.

For White Russian Army, they would be well funded with Allies equipments ITTL and pretty much served as Free France equivalent for this with the goal to remove the Bolsheviks and restore the Romanovs back to Russia.
 
The real reasons why the White Army is much more like Free France ITTL is because unlike the OTL, its not a ragtag bunch of warlords/former nobles trying to stab one another in midst of a civil war against the Soviet.

Also because the Romanovs were still alive and kicking, the family pretty much served as a unifying symbol for various Russian moderate republican and Tsarist and Orthodox conservative factions to fight against the Bolsheviks.

So, despite being beaten by the Soviet and had to flee to Eastern Europe and America, they still remained united as long as the Tsar and his family is still there.

ITTL The White Russia movement is united and has a common goal of its own to retake their homeland and restore the monarchy.

Think of it like how the Spanish Civil war works with the fascists, Catholics and monarchists managed to unite together to defeat the Republicans OTL to restore the Spanish monarchy back.
 
The real reasons why the White Army is much more like Free France ITTL is because unlike the OTL, its not a ragtag bunch of warlords/former nobles trying to stab one another in midst of a civil war against the Soviet.

Also because the Romanovs were still alive and kicking, the family pretty much served as a unifying symbol for various Russian moderate republican and Tsarist and Orthodox conservative factions to fight against the Bolsheviks.

So, despite being beaten by the Soviet and had to flee to Eastern Europe and America, they still remained united as long as the Tsar and his family is still there.

Think of it like how the Spanish Civil war works with the fascists, Catholics and monarchists managed to unite together to defeat the Republicans OTL to restore the Spanish monarchy back.

How would Mexico, a Catholic nation, fit into this? I would imagine Soviet propaganda framing this as second capitalistic, Imperalistic attempt to crush the proletariat. I would imagine Mexico would have to take a backseat to the this resistance rather than be showing their full support to the Romanovs. Also who would be Czar? Alexie or Emiliano?
 
How would Mexico, a Catholic nation, fit into this? I would imagine Soviet propaganda framing this as second capitalistic, Imperalistic attempt to crush the proletariat. I would imagine Mexico would have to take a backseat to the this resistance rather than be showing their full support to the Romanovs. Also how would be Czar? Alexie or Emiliano?

It would be pretty much like how Germany and Italy sending their volunteers and troops to help the Nationalist side during Spanish Civil War. Aka Mexico and Germany and Austria-Hungary would gladly help them out by sending the White Army tons of tanks, planes, artillery guns and firearms as well as military advisors and volunteers to prepare for the retaking of their motherland.

For the Tsar of Russia, its pretty much Alexei, son of Tsar Nikolas II as the White Russians refused to recognize Grand Duke Michael of Romanovs as their Tsar.

In exchange for helping White Russia for retaking their motherland, Mexico would only as for a few economic concessions and Russia promise to revoke their claims on the Baltic nations which would be used as neutral buffer zones between Germany, Danubian Empire and Russia, also Mexico will have White Russians pledge to help them fighting the Japanese in the East.

Aside from that Mexico did not ask for any further case and even promised the Russians with the idea of retaking Manchuria and whatever territories they have lost during their disastrous 1905 war against the Japanese.
 
The real reasons why Mexico doesnt want to mention the Balkans in the deal is because they know that its pretty much a political powder keg, and they realized that its better to let the Russians having their claims on it than anything else due to the experiences of the First World War. Also because they were too far away to deal with anything related to the Balkan affairs

Also its pretty funny to me considering the German Empire actually sponsored the Bolsheviks to overthrow the Tsarist regime back in the Great War and then got its ass kicked by that very same faction it has helped to fester in Russia and former Russian Empire colonies in the second one.
 
Also, the White Russian Fleet fate during the interwar period is pretty much certain, after the White Russian last strong hold fell in Southern Russia in 1918 the Wrangel Fleet, the remaining of the Imperial Russian Fleet embarked on an exile, they later met the Tsar family in London (whom had arrived there earlier after the December Revolution) then carrying the Tsar family with them this time with the British Dominion Fleet alongside the British Royal Family in-exile on a long journey from British Isles to Canada. Ships that were too old and unserviceable were left behind and were scuttled to prevent them falling to the hands of UoB

After they were interned in Canada by the Dominion, some vessels were scrapped as they were unrepairable while the remaining serviceable ships were modernized during the interwar period and later on become part of the Entente Fleet consists of British Dominions, USA and Mexico.

The White Fleet departing Crimea, Russian battleship Imperator Aleksander III and Georgii Pobedonosets
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The remnant of the White Russian Fleet in Canada includes:
Two battleships: The Imperator Aleksander III dreadnought battleship and the pre-dreadnought Georgii Pobedonosets
One protected cruiser:The General Kornilov of Bogatyr class
Six destroyers and four submarines, as well as five gunboats also managed to escape Britain, before they left, eight destroyers out of 14 were left behind because those had been damaged beyond repairs
 
Now realizing they were now fighting a war on two fronts the Mexican government called upon her colonial troops. In South Africa, Prime Minister Jan Smuts declared war on the Axis powers and began mobilizing up to 50,000 soldiers ready to be sent to any front. In the Raj, the German and Mexican colonial officials called upon their soldiers especially Mexico who needed them against the Japanese invasion.

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Japanese army launched their invasion into China against the Beiyang government under Zhang Zoulin and Pan Fu, who held the territory including: Manchuria and the coastal areas including Shanghai. The Japanese attacked Shanghai on January 13 using amphibious landing tactics on both land and sea, beginning a protracted battle against the Chinese, while at the same time the Beiyang government was also coming under attack from the Japanese allied Kuomintang Government, under Chiang Kai Shek launching another Northern expedition.

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In Ireland, the situation had become dire, even with the additional 50,000 Mexican reinforcements they were utterly getting pounded by the British Flying Corp and tanks. By January 25, the British had captured Dublin and were chasing the retreating Mexican and Irish army, however a powerful thunderstorm turn the roads into mud stopping the tank, this gave the Allies time to retreat to Spike Harbour in Cork County to be evacuated by the German Navy.

During the evacuation of Spike island they were constantly harassed by BFC but they made it, over 100,000 soldiers were evacuated from Ireland leaving her under British control. The soldiers were heading towards Cádiz to help the Spanish army against the French.

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Meanwhile in a effort to completely bypass the Siegfried Line, French and British launched Operation Thames Exercise the invasion of Denmark on February 7 with the British using what was left of the Royal Navy including His Supreme Leader's Ship or SLS: Cromwell, Britannia, Iron Duke, and William the Conqueror attacking Zealand and Copenhagen while French and British paratroopers and marines landed in their objectives. After several hours the Danes surrendered and were now under Axis occupation. This sent shockwaves throughout Germany immediately new tactics and weapons were being experimented while soldiers were immediately sent to stop the French and British advance, it was to late, French and British soldiers captured Schleswig-Holstein by February 16 bringing much more stress on the German army.

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In the Eastern front the Soviets defeated the Ottoman army at the Battle of Crimea on the 5 of March meaning the Ottoman Supreme Commander, Mustafa Kemal Pasha will have to attack through the Caucasus along with the Persians.
This finally gave the Soviets the time to invade Poland.
 
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