Maximilian's legacy: Interwar and Post World War 2

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  1. George Myles Gibson Don Jorge

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    Why would they break up? If anything shouldn't they along with the Danubian Empire, Ottoman Empire, and Spain stay together to try and fight off the decolonization until they finally give in? And I finally planned out the break up of the Danubian Empire.
     
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    I had more suggestions for the Falklands battle.

    ITTL, the Commonwealth’s HMS Vanguard would be ready by the time the Invasion of Falklands Island commence. This new Canadian 15inch fast battleship was built to rectify the problem of the HMS Hood poor armor protections while also sporting more advanced radar and FCS with improved AA thanks to the upgrades from their American allies. Although in this case Battle of Falklands would also be Vanguard’s first sortie as the ship has only finished her speed trials earlier.
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    Other than that, the Commonwealth also had the two slower 24 knts Nelson class battleships, which would definitely fight at Falklands as well. These are interwar Commonwealth ships armed with 16inch guns as response to the US Colorado class and Japanese Nagato class. They are essentially the revised cut-down versions of the Mexican Imperator/G3 class battlecruisers/fast battleship class after Canada sold the design of the G3 to Mexico.
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    Mostly because i think Mexico having come to terms with United Kingdom, now realized that their Commonwealth system is a far more effective methods to retain their alliances and governance over their former colonies than keeping direct control of them the usual way like Germany, Ottoman, and Spain did.

    Other than that, we need a Late cold war Soviet Union breakup equivalent, so yes, the Danubian Empire definitely is a suitable candidate for thst.
     
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  4. lawrencenguyen Well-Known Member

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    Other than that, the German Empire would definitely formed their own version of European Union earlier after the war while The United Kingdom of Canada and Great Britain alongside Mexican Empire and United States would form their own North American Union in response.
     
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    In this case, the German led European Alliance are about unity and a focus on Eurocentrism with moderate liberal and conservative ideologies and preservation of their colonial empires. Whereas the North American Union would championed Republicanism and encourage post war indepedence movements of colonies as well as progressive liberalism.

    This whole independent movement and dismantling of colonial empries trend would start off with the US and the UK who had already granted freedom and sovereignty for all of their colonies,followed by Mexican Empire. Mexico was hesitate at first but after realized the good out weight the bad, they did it.
    Afterall, a lot of Mexican allies were both republics and monarchies so perhaps going a more democratic route would benefit the Empire more in the long run.
     
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    Oh actually im thinking that while the breakup of the Danubian Empire can be the SU break up of TTL, for the Yugoslav break up, the Ottoman Empire is definitely it,although in this case they would still remain firm grips on the Arab nations, its mostly the Orthodox Balkan provinces that they decided to let go mostly due to their volatile and unstable political nature.
     
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    For Russian Empire in post-war era, its a pretty wildcard, you can go anywhere with it, either a non alighned nation or a member of German’s continental alliance but the important thing is that later or sooner it will be decolonized into Tsardom of Russia as a more democratic constitutional monarchy in the changing politics of post-war atmosphere.
     
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    Actually this is supposed to be the pic of one of Argentine interwar battleships based on the Italian Roma design sinking at the harbor, you should definitely correct this mistake, its too large to be a DD.
     
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  9. George Myles Gibson Don Jorge

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    Meanwhile the battle in the Chamber of Deputies was intensifying with the whole "who should the Emperor marry" devolving into battle of petty politics with the Conservatives blaming the Reformists with the rise of Japan and the Soviet Union while the Reformists blamed the Conservatives for not backing the Mexican intervention in the Brazilian Civil War and letting them fall into the Argentine sphere of influence.

    The battle gotten to the point that the Reformists were now bringing up the "Church question" and began threatening the power of the Church and by now many were absolutely fearing a Second Reform War, until the Emperor finally got involved and in a rousing speech he condemned both parties of seeking power in a time when Mexico was fighting a war in three fronts and he chastised them for their petty squabbling by saying "Have either of you learned what happened when the country was divided and was at war, we lost the war against the Americans and half of our territory. My grandfather, the Grand Maximiliano, brought this country together and made it into a power and now you people want to tear it apart because of your self-serving politics. For once in your greedy lives put aside your differences and help Mexico win the war." After that he made His decision on who he should marry and he chosed Frederica.

    The Deputies after his speech and his marrying announcement decided to do what he said and the leaders of both parties, Lazaro Cárdenas and Juan Andreu Almanza meet on the 20 of March and the two formed the new Unión Sagrada or Sacred Union to put aside their differences and both parties would vote unanimously on anything that has to do about the war.

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    For the marriage the Emperor and Chamber agreed to Wilhelm's marriage proposal and broke the agreement with Romania citing Ileana's supposed illegitimacy and this insulted Micheal so much he was considering joining the Axis but decided against it. On March 29, in the Catholic Cathedral of St Hedwig in Berlin the two married and during there, Emiliano greeted his new grandfather Kaiser Wilhelm and awarded him the Imperial Order of Our Lady of Guadalupe and to the Regent the Imperial Order of the Mexican Eagle.

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    During the marriage he meet again with his sister, the two haven't seen each other since 1919, while Mexico and Poland had a warm relation the two monarchs were distance, but now the two got together and toured Warsaw which managed to defeat the Soviets in what became known as the Miracle of the Vistula, (more on that tomorrow) and at Warsaw Emiliano praised the Poles on their bravery and promised Mexican relief.​
     
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    At this point, the Mexicans should named their Emperor as “Emilliano the Unfortunate” because despite he was a good monarch with high popular supports, fate just love to screw with his personal life and he was so far unable to bear an heir to the throne.

    Hopefully his third marriage with the Hohenzollern this time would change that.

    About the Brazilian Braganzas, are there any chances for them to reunify with their Portuguese family?

    I know Pedro II had barred the Portuguese branch from inheritance of Brazilian throne but things have to change now, with Manuel II and his wife unable to bear a child, the succession law would have to divert to either the line of the deposed King Miguel family or Emperor Pedro II family. Pedro II family is much closer to King Manuel as Manuel great great grandmother Queen Maria II is Pedro II sister.
     
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  11. George Myles Gibson Don Jorge

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    Actually Anastasia did produced an heir:

    But they do call him the "Widow Emperor".
     
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  12. George Myles Gibson Don Jorge

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    I will cover this after Poland.
     
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  13. lawrencenguyen Well-Known Member

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    Its actually Queen Maria II btw, sorry its my typo mistake.
     
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  14. George Myles Gibson Don Jorge

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    You really have to think just like the Romanovs, the braganzas have nine lives and speaking of Brazil, what is the possibility that like Italy in OTL won't Brazil just collapse and switch sides and also see a third Brazilian restoration?
     
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    A Third Brazilian Monarchy restoration is possible, although the nation would have to be a shared occupation between the Allies to give the impression that the monarchy is no longer associating themselves with Mexican Imperial interests.

    And yes, Brazilian switching sides are still possible considering Vargas, the President of Brazil in OTL while maintain quite close relations with the Axis were quite wary of it and later on did choose the Allies side instead.

    I hope that for the sake of the Braganzas Restoration, Vargas should be able to kept his position as Prime Minister as he is one of the few competent Brazilian politicians capable of steering the nation out of its darkest time.
     
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  16. George Myles Gibson Don Jorge

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    You know I live in Mexico and I know that Mexico and Chile are pretty close, with both having a dislike for Argentina, so it could be possible that if Mexico promised to Chile the Tierra de Fuego province to Chile, despite them being pro fascist, Chile could easily be swayed.

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    Yep, i think its also work too, more land for Chile to annex as well.

    Regarding Peron and Argentina, his reputation in post war period would be quite a controversial one, with many people agreed on the notion that he is a “tragic hero” figure. A General and then a dictator who bring Argentina into a regional power and also responsible its downfall. He and his wife Eva Peron were actually quite popular in his presidency, and because of his liberal supports for the people of lower class and his economic reforms, even when Argentina lost the war, Peronism would still persist even in post-war period.

    Those who backed him up are the conservatives and nationalists and some classic liberals, who stated that “without Peron industrialization efforts and liberal reforms Argentina would never be able to reach such height.” While the left wing liberals and democrats loathed him “Peron’s industrialization and economic reforms widened the inequality gap and his terrible decision by agreed with the Junta Cabinet to wage war with Mexico ripped the nation aparts.”

    He is basically TTL Argentinian equivalent to the OTL Hungarian dictator Horthy, a man who is considered to be either a national hero and an Axis tyrant by their own populace. His legacy is controversial but there are still a lot of people symphathized with him, especially among the modern Argentinians.
     
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  19. George Myles Gibson Don Jorge

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    To be fair, I'm pretty sure that people coming to his defense would say that Mexico pushed him to war and it was a Allied conspiracy to take down Argentina.
     
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    That and the Argentine Junta Cabinet basically pressured him into taking a stand against Mexico while its clear that he is fully aware that they wont be able to win a war with Mexico in the long run.