Maximilian I holy Roman emperor has a second son

Either that or Ferdinand of Aragon gives him Naples + Sicily. Apparently Ferdinand of Aragon really doted on Ferdinand (same name same birth day). Only problem is now you've weakened the ability to keep the French out of Italy without Spain being directly involved. This might also affect a budding relationship between Charles & Ferdinand.

Technically the natural/legitimate Neapolitan line is still extant with Ferdinand of Calabria. We could unify the claims by having Ferdinand marry Isabella daughter of Frederick of Naples (Ferdinand of Calabria's dad, who was deposed by the French & Aragonese)
Oh that could be quite interesting it does also mean there's less concern now for Carlos to have to constantly worry about bureaucracy wise. Would Ferdinand if Aragon be able to split the inheritance like that as Naples and Sicily did belong to Aragon
 
I do think Carlos would be able to handle Spanish affairs better without needing to always duck into the Holy Roman Empire as well. This could avoid Spain always going bankrupt
 
Oh that could be quite interesting it does also mean there's less concern now for Carlos to have to constantly worry about bureaucracy wise. Would Ferdinand if Aragon be able to split the inheritance like that as Naples and Sicily did belong to Aragon

There's a lot of precedent for it, especially with the Trastamara's giving Naples in particular to sons born out of wedlock
 
Hmm very true, would Ferdinand consider it though? Especially if he's had a hand in raising Charles?

He did OTL, he disliked Philip immensely and as a result didn't want any of his kids inheriting his stuff at first. Which is why he married Germaine de Foix. When that didn't work out and he was close to dying he tried to give Aragon + Naples + Sicily to Ferdinand and have Charles only get Castile. He was convinced otherwise.

Now as to Charles being raised in Spain, I'm not sure Maximilian, Franz and Margaret would be comfortable sending Charles to Spain if he's to succeed in the Low countries. The low countries really don't like anyone they perceive as foreign. Best to just keep Charles in ghent.
 
He did OTL, he disliked Philip immensely and as a result didn't want any of his kids inheriting his stuff at first. Which is why he married Germaine de Foix. When that didn't work out and he was close to dying he tried to give Aragon + Naples + Sicily to Ferdinand and have Charles only get Castile. He was convinced otherwise.

Now as to Charles being raised in Spain, I'm not sure Maximilian, Franz and Margaret would be comfortable sending Charles to Spain if he's to succeed in the Low countries. The low countries really don't like anyone they perceive as foreign. Best to just keep Charles in ghent.
Alright this is true and will likely hurt Charles for the short term when he initially moves from Ghent to Spain
 
I'd suggest that Mary, Philip's daughter should marry John of Portugal, when Mary, Franz' daughter should marry Ferdinand (to tighten ties between Imperial and Burgundian branch), most dynasties that branched out are going to start heavy intermarriage, this happened IOTL among Habsburgs just one generation after split of Spanish and Austrian branch, later repeated among Bourbons. If Charles of Spain had just one son, he would propably make Ferdinand his heir in Netherlands (possibly marrying one of his daughters to Ferdinand's son, like IOTL).
 
I'd suggest that Mary, Philip's daughter should marry John of Portugal, when Mary, Franz' daughter should marry Ferdinand (to tighten ties between Imperial and Burgundian branch), most dynasties that branched out are going to start heavy intermarriage, this happened IOTL among Habsburgs just one generation after split of Spanish and Austrian branch, later repeated among Bourbons. If Charles of Spain had just one son, he would propably make Ferdinand his heir in Netherlands (possibly marrying one of his daughters to Ferdinand's son, like IOTL).
Why would Charles deny his own son the Burgundian inheritance
 
I don't want Franz to wed his children to his nephews! Staph it. There are better alliances. France, denmark, Hungary, Palatinate.
 
I don't want Franz to wed his children to his nephews! Staph it. There are better alliances. France, denmark, Hungary, Palatinate.

I agree. What would be fun is if we see the Spanish-Burgundian Habsburgs be (permanent/lengthy) at sixes and sevens with their Imperial cousins who rule the Empire, Hungary-Bohemia. That way, we can ensure that there's at least new genetic material for both branches involved

@ranichi17 did it in their Tudor TL, where Karl is left with the empire and Ferdinand gets Spain after a different communeros revolt. I think the alt-history book called the chapter "Between Jacob and Esau" or something.
 
I agree. What would be fun is if we see the Spanish-Burgundian Habsburgs be (permanent/lengthy) at sixes and sevens with their Imperial cousins who rule the Empire, Hungary-Bohemia. That way, we can ensure that there's at least new genetic material for both branches involved

@ranichi17 did it in their Tudor TL, where Karl is left with the empire and Ferdinand gets Spain after a different communeros revolt. I think the alt-history book called the chapter "Between Jacob and Esau" or something.
By sixes and sevens do you mean permanently at odds?
 
Honestly I want a capable powergrabbing Franz and Elizabeth who is 1000% finished with his annoying brother Philip grabbing everything and just emperoring the shit out of everything while kicking his his nephews off to spain and napels and ruling half of Europe as the second coming of Charlemagne. Powercouple of Europe in here.

"They see me emperoring, they hating" Franz I Holy Roman Emperor 1517.
 
Honestly I want a capable powergrabbing Franz and Elizabeth who is 1000% finished with his annoying brother Philip grabbing everything and just emperoring the shit out of everything while kicking his his nephews off to spain and napels and ruling half of Europe as the second coming of Charlemagne. Powercouple of Europe in here.

"They see me emperoring, they hating" Franz I Holy Roman Emperor 1517.
If that involves driving the Ottomans out of Europe then im game
 
So, at the start of 1515, when let's say Maximilian I dies, we've got these branches of the Habsburgs:

Habsburg Spain: Senior branch, ruled by Carlos I of Spain

Habsburg Low Countries or Habsburg Naples and Sicily: Ruled by Ferdinand either as governor general or as King.

Habsburg Holy Roman Empire: Ruled by Emperor Franz I, includes Hungary and Bohemia from the 1520s.
 
Soubds resonable. Charles can wed Isabella of Portugal in 1520 and Maximilian can marry Anne of Hungary and Bohemia the same year.
 
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