Maxamillion stays in Power

What if the French successful put Maxamillion in power in Mexcio, and he stayed in control? How could this happen, and what would the effects be?

If you mean Maximilian then to keep him in power you would need French troops to stay in the country, which isn't going to happen. He seemed like a bit of a pleb really, and doesnt know how to run a country.
 
This really should be in the before 1900 forum.

Only realistic hope for the French puppet staying in power is a Southern Victory in the Civil War.

Because to allow Maximillian to stay in power, the Monroe Doctorine has to be dead and the South splitting from the North is pretty much the only way to accomplish that.
 
Best chance:

Juarez accepts Maximillion's offer of the prime ministership in a constitutional monarchy, and Mexico becomes known as a tolerant liberal monarchy.

Eventually the conservatives revolt in a bloody civil war yet again, perhaps resulting in an earlier Revolution. Maximillion is probably ousted and we see a conservative Mexican take the crown in an absolute monarchy, which is eventually overthrown by Juaristas, who are then overthrown by conservatives...

I honestly have no idea how Obregon and Calles managed to prevent this cycle from happening, because it basically epitomized the first 100 years of Mexican history.
 
This could only happen if the French stayed in Mexico which would mean a confederate victory. However the upheavals that took place during the end of the Diaz era would probably have taken place under Maximillian and his regime would not have lasted and the upheaval would have come about when a successor was sought
 
Maximillian relied too much in French troops and sent away to Prussia his best general, Miguel Miramón. Maximilian actually had the idea of getting rid of as much French influence as possible. He must keep Miramón in Mexico, and with his help, build an Imperial Army, composed of Mexican citizens, maybe with French or Austrian assesment, that way he has a way to continue once the French are out. As for Juárez and the liberals, he can't get confident as he did in OTL and must defeat them completely, before they can get more support from the US, which is the other problem; if he manages to defeat Juárez and lower French influence, he must find a way to make the US recongnize him.
 
Mexico owed them a lot of money that Juarez decided he wasn't going to pay.

Napoleon III also wanted to use Mexico as a base to start a new French empire in the Americas.
 
It was more or less hopeless. Maximillian needed French military support to stay in power, but being dependent upon French military support destroyed his credibility.

The only way for Maximillian to have stayed in power is if he weren't Maximillian and had a clue about how to run Mexico. He more or less totally failed to win any class over to him.
 
Mexico also owed Britain and Spain money and both countries sent troops but both countries reached an accomodation with Juarez. Napoleon 111 had delusions of grandeur and tried to impose an Austro Hungarian Emperor

Mexico owed them a lot of money that Juarez decided he wasn't going to pay.

Napoleon III also wanted to use Mexico as a base to start a new French empire in the Americas.
 
It was more or less hopeless. Maximillian needed French military support to stay in power, but being dependent upon French military support destroyed his credibility.

The only way for Maximillian to have stayed in power is if he weren't Maximillian and had a clue about how to run Mexico. He more or less totally failed to win any class over to him.

Eh, Maxi had good ideas but he couldn't get anyone to support him. It just so happened that he was a liberal who only had conservative support, which he then lost.

Had Maximillian been the conservative voice of authority that France and right-wing Mexico were looking for, I don't think the right would have turned on him.

The left was never going to support him as a matter of principle, but if they had I think that Maxi could have had a very successful reign. He wanted basically the same things that Juarez did, and he wanted peace...Juarez did too, but he was unwilling to accept a foreign monarch over Mexico, which ultimately led to the downfall of Maximillian.
 
Yeah, it's striking how Nap III could make such a pathetic giant error by choosing Maximillian (I think Bismarck himself described the whole Mexican adventure in those terms), especially when it is almost the same error his uncle did in Spain 50 years before. Bringing the Iturbide claimant that was living in the USA at that time would have been far easier. And marrying his infant heir to one of Queen Isabel's daughters (as she proposed) would guarantee Spanish support and the use of Cuba's naval bases.

But NOOO, he had to choose an Austrian liberal without issue, and put a selfish idiot like Bazaine in command. It's like if he wanted to fail.
 
Bringing the Iturbide claimant that was living in the USA at that time would have been far easier

Maximillian and Carlota did adopt one of Iturbide's grandson's, this caused them a _lot_ of grief.

The biggest problem was that they were lied to when they were told most of the country would support them. Juarez swore to fight to the end and there was little chance of getting any sort of reasonable support from any faction in order to maintain their throne.

Remember, Mexico didn't achieve any sort of 'stable' government until _after_ World War II!
 
Eh, Maxi had good ideas but he couldn't get anyone to support him. It just so happened that he was a liberal who only had conservative support, which he then lost.

Had Maximillian been the conservative voice of authority that France and right-wing Mexico were looking for, I don't think the right would have turned on him.

The left was never going to support him as a matter of principle, but if they had I think that Maxi could have had a very successful reign. He wanted basically the same things that Juarez did, and he wanted peace...Juarez did too, but he was unwilling to accept a foreign monarch over Mexico, which ultimately led to the downfall of Maximillian.

I'm not criticizing his general policy direction, I'm criticizing his inability to execute his policy direction due to his lack of energy and his indecisiveness - and some poor judgement. To be fair, it's not easy to have good judgement about a land you know very little about.
 
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