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Thanks for the Corpus Christi mention; IOTL, Corpus Christi got snow (yes, really) on Christmas Eve 2004, which led to three books about the Christmas Eve snow (Corpus Christi really did have a white Christmas that year) (1). Due to butterflies, this probably doesn't happen.

ITTL, have any hurricanes hit the Texas coast?
Does Pearl Harbor still get filmed on the Lexington (IOTL, they filmed a part of it on the Lexington; I doubt that Corpus Christi's purchase of the Lexington is butterflied away, since it occurred over six months after the PoD, before the large-scale changes hit the world.)

(1) People in North Texas just shrug and wonder what the big deal was; my mom, whose 30th birthday got ruined by a blizzard (she lived in Ohio and northern Kentucky; she was not a fan of Kasich), didn't want to see the snow falling, since she moved to Texas to get away from that :D.
 
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László Sólyom was never Prime Minister of Hungary, he was president, but in 2005. He wasent even his parties candidadte in the 2002 parliamentary election. So thats interesting. More intersting still is the coup in Turkey, the turkish miliitary has a history of overthrowing gobernments that get "too authoritarian" as we saw it almost happen a few years back (there is howver, some theories that it was false flag operation by Ergodan)

I was actually about to ask this too, considering that Gore won by razor thin margin in 2000, what other elections worldwide have gone the other way ITTL?

My idea for the 2004 election was that santorum would win the nomination and loose in a landslide against Gore, thus his branch of conservativism would be discredited with the party (and husrt the GOP on the short run as the re organize) However, many people tought that Trump would discredit the GOP with his toxic ideas, and then he goes and "wins" anyways. So those ideas are now validated

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Like no Iraq war.
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No iraq war would have a such a tremendous impact on pop culture . video games, movies, politics - that if I had done this TL, I would have had Bush win just so I didnt have to deal with that. I mean, the entire Call of Duty (and its brother franchises) owns the iraq war for its easthetic, about a thousend influential books and movies, a national minsted. The Iraq war is hoenstly as culturally impactful as 9/11. And God lest not even talk about the foreign policy ramifications! (Arab spring, Syrian Civil War, so-called "Islamic" State, and entire genereation of anti american sentiment...) Im in NO WAY saying it was mistake for RySenkari to change it of course, in fact I applaud them for taking such a bold task

Kasich, BTW, is pretty socially conservative himself, proabably just look moderate next to Santorum

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rick007

Gore/Lieberman vs. Kasich/??? That would be interesting. Who would Kasich's VP be? Bush? Powell? Dole? Someone else? I don't see it being Santorum. I'm glad that those areas of trouble are going to be relatively calm, at least for the time being.
 

VariantAberrant

BP Booker said:
No iraq war would have a such a tremendous impact on pop culture . video games, movies, politics - that if I had done this TL, I would have had Bush win just so I didnt have to deal with that. I mean, the entire Call of Duty (and its brother franchises) owns the iraq war for its easthetic, about a thousend influential books and movies, a national minsted. The Iraq war is hoenstly as culturally impactful as 9/11.
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I reblogged a post on my Tumblr about how emo went mainstream basically because of the Iraq war:

Tumblrina marypsue said:
No, I’m serious. My Chemical Romance was formed as a direct result of Gerard Way witnessing the towers fall. Green Day’s ‘American Idiot’ (an album that, at least as far as I can tell from having been a teenager in Canada at the time, was seminal in influencing the look and sound of emo) is all about the Bush administration - all the lyrics are about life under a democratic dystopia and many reference current events from the time - and it came out in 2004, halfway through the Bush presidency. A bunch of Linkin Park’s stuff makes reference to it also, especially their album ‘Minutes to Midnight’, where they first started moving out of the nu-metal/rap sound they’d been working with before and into a more mainstream emo-rock sound. That album came out in 2007. All of the really big bands with that kind of sound - and most of the smaller ones with more of a punk/hardcore sound but similar themes - were active in the mainstream from around 2001-2010. Many of them didn’t survive past 2009, and those that did either totally reinvented themselves (Fall Out Boy, Panic! At The Disco, MCR for the five minutes it took to produce Danger Days, Linkin Park) or became near-totally irrelevant (Paramore dropped an album sometime in the last two years; did any of you know that? And Green Day haven’t mattered since 21st Century Breakdown, which was released in 2009).

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So, from 2001-2009, the two (TWO) full terms of the Bush presidency, there were a whole lot of people who couldn’t vote (be they under the age of majority, like most of the emo kids I knew, or Canadians unhappily dragged along with the US’ boneheaded foreign policy decisions because we’re allies, also like most of the emo kids I knew) and therefore felt, not only scared of basically the impending end of their world in a way that they hadn’t previously had to feel, and not only angry about being clearly lied to and clumsily manipulated when the truth was obvious to anyone with eyes, but also powerless to do anything to change anything about that. And meanwhile, people kept dying in this pointless war and the president kept trying to hold together the illusion that everything was hunky-dory.

[...]

Emo captured what kids were feeling about trying to fit into a world that was so clearly fucked up and broken and pretending to be okay, putting on a strong face to Show The Terrorists They Didn’t Win. Emo was about stripping away the mask, exposing the messy, angry, frightened, sad, true underbelly of American society at the time, and exposing hypocrisy - in individuals as much as in politicians. The hatred of ‘preps’ and ‘posers’? Totally not just a My Immortal thing. Emo was about wearing your heart on your sleeve, about it being okay to mourn, to rage, to be afraid for your life beyond this - and to keep moving forward regardless, step by slow step.
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Points to ponder, I think, and hopefully more relevant than some of my other irruptions.
 

RySenkari

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Thanks for the Corpus Christi mention; IOTL, Corpus Christi got snow (yes, really) on Christmas Eve, which led to three books about the Christmas Eve snow (Corpus Christi really did have a white Christmas that year) (1). Due to butterflies, this probably doesn't happened.

ITTL, have any hurricanes hit the Texas coast?
Does Pearl Harbor still get filmed on the Lexington (IOTL, they filmed a part of it on the Lexington; I doubt that Corpus Christi's purchase of the Lexington is butterflied away, since it occurred over six months after the PoD, before the large-scale changes hit the world.)

(1) People in North Texas just shrug and wonder what the big deal was; my mom, whose 30th birthday got ruined by a blizzard (she lived in Ohio and northern Kentucky; she was not a fan of Kasich), didn't want to see the snow falling, since she moved to Texas to get away from that :D.
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There hasn't been a hurricane strike on the Texas coast for a while. Corpus Christi got a bit of a scare from Josephine in 2002 when it was a Category 4, but it went way further south and slammed into a remote part of Mexico instead. Pearl Harbor is still filmed on the Lexington and does about how it did IOTL.

BP Booker said:
László Sólyom was never Prime Minister of Hungary, he was president, but in 2005. He wasent even his parties candidadte in the 2002 parliamentary election. So thats interesting. More intersting still is the coup in Turkey, the turkish miliitary has a history of overthrowing gobernments that get "too authoritarian" as we saw it almost happen a few years back (there is howver, some theories that it was false flag operation by Ergodan)

I was actually about to ask this too, considering that Gore won by razor thin margin in 2000, what other elections worldwide have gone the other way ITTL?

My idea for the 2004 election was that santorum would win the nomination and loose in a landslide against Gore, thus his branch of conservativism would be discredited with the party (and husrt the GOP on the short run as the re organize) However, many people tought that Trump would discredit the GOP with his toxic ideas, and then he goes and "wins" anyways. So those ideas are now validated



No iraq war would have a such a tremendous impact on pop culture . video games, movies, politics - that if I had done this TL, I would have had Bush win just so I didnt have to deal with that. I mean, the entire Call of Duty (and its brother franchises) owns the iraq war for its easthetic, about a thousend influential books and movies, a national minsted. The Iraq war is hoenstly as culturally impactful as 9/11. And God lest not even talk about the foreign policy ramifications! (Arab spring, Syrian Civil War, so-called "Islamic" State, and entire genereation of anti american sentiment...) Im in NO WAY saying it was mistake for RySenkari to change it of course, in fact I applaud them for taking such a bold task

Kasich, BTW, is pretty socially conservative himself, proabably just look moderate next to Santorum

Great Update!
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Kasich definitely is socially conservative and would mention his pro-life stances during his candidacy, but he keeps them somewhat muted and focuses on economics instead. And yeah, no Iraq War is having a fairly large cultural impact. Green Day's American Idiot is totally butterflied. Gerard Way is still affected by 9/11, but may end up a cartoonist instead. We might not get the Modern Warfare franchise.

RyderWest said:
What happened to John Walker Lindh?
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He's hiding out in Pakistan as of 2004.

VariantAberrant said:
I reblogged a post on my Tumblr about how emo went mainstream basically because of the Iraq war:



Points to ponder, I think, and hopefully more relevant than some of my other irruptions.
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Hmm....interesting to know that emo will be much less prominent ITTL. I'm not sure what'll pop up in its place, maybe some of those emo bands become more introspective and symphonic (hell, we may get an American equivalent to Muse out of this....hmmmm....)
 

ER5013

If there's no Modern Warfare subfranchise, where will CoD go after 3? IIRC, by the mid 2000s people were getting sick of WWII games.
 
jolou

jolou

woweed said:
MAybe other historical settings? Revolutionary War, Civil War, World War 1, Vietnam..
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You still need to sell the product to european and others , why would they buy something about a little know war in america ?
So if i make a guess , i think that we will see Vietnam at first , a know war for his brutality and well that will change from WW2 . Otherwise, WW1 could be good also, i think it will seem to risky to make . OTL B1 was a risk that take EA . For futuristic warfare, it's also very risky and that didn't paid OTL

Otherwise, they could imagine a conventional WW3 between the USA and the URSS . Some kind of Modern Warfare but in the 80s . We have the "Good vs the Evil', a know situation that attire person from all part of the world . And well, here they know that they will sold a lot of games .
 

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jolou said:
You still need to sell the product to european and others , why would they buy something about a little know war in america ?
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The next assasins creed is set in Ptolemaic Egypt, how many people even know about Ptolemaic Egypt beyond the bare bones basics? You can make a ny setting interesting if you put your mind to it
 
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jolou

BP Booker said:
The next assasins creed is set in Ptolemaic Egypt, how many people even know about Ptolemaic Egypt beyond the bare bones basics? You can make a ny setting interesting if you put your mind to it
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More people know about ancient egypt and well, are more interested about ancient egypt than the war of secession .
 
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