Mary Tudor rules from 1547

Marriage of Elizabeth is not that important yet-she is only 13 years old and Mary does not even consider her as true sister-for her she is Smeaton's bastard. Things will change after Mary's kid is born, then it would be desirable to her to "neutralise" Elizabeth marrying her abroad or to some not important English noble. Marriage of Liz and Duke of Beja became kind of cliche in similar threads, but I think it is interesting solution-if they have a son Iberian Union is likely butterflyied away, so no utter Habsburgwank in this TL.
I think one year is enough for negotiations, Mary and Philip would Mary in 1548, Charles V would abdicate from throne of Naples to make his son king, equall to Mary. Netherlands are promised in marriage treaty for their kid.
 
Mary would not like to marry her subject if royal candidate is available.

Mary told parliament when they came to pressure her to marry Courtenay "it was not the custom, my lords, for parliament had never lectured kings regarding their marriage [a swipe at her own father's common marriages?], and that we would NOT disgrace ourselves to marry a subject." So, basically, Courtenay's chances of becoming king were ruined by parliament.
 
Marriage of Elizabeth is not that important yet-she is only 13 years old and Mary does not even consider her as true sister-for her she is Smeaton's bastard. Things will change after Mary's kid is born, then it would be desirable to her to "neutralise" Elizabeth marrying her abroad or to some not important English noble. Marriage of Liz and Duke of Beja became kind of cliche in similar threads, but I think it is interesting solution-if they have a son Iberian Union is likely butterflyied away, so no utter Habsburgwank in this TL.
I think one year is enough for negotiations, Mary and Philip would Mary in 1548, Charles V would abdicate from throne of Naples to make his son king, equall to Mary. Netherlands are promised in marriage treaty for their kid.

Felipe would only push D. Carlos if he and Mary had no kids. His original candidate was the duque of Segorbe. However, as a way of maintining Habsburg dominance he offered up Archdukes Ferdinand and Karl, Crown Prince Joao of Portugal (before he married Juana) as well as his uncle, Holy Roman Emperor for Liz OTL.
 
There is another winner of this TL-Jane Grey, she'll keep her head, and she is still high in succession line (I have no doubts Mary of Scots would still be excluded) and rather not going to marry Dudley ITTL.
 
I think if Charles, Duke of Orleans survives, he is likely to marry Mary Tudor especially if the sons of Catherine of Medici are strong and lively, the children of Charles, Duke of Orleans and Mary won't claim the throne of England.
 
There is another winner of this TL-Jane Grey, she'll keep her head, and she is still high in succession line (I have no doubts Mary of Scots would still be excluded) and rather not going to marry Dudley ITTL.

At ten, she and especially her sisters are also young enough to be influenced in religious matters.

Bring her to court, show her favor, give her the right tutors, execute your sister, and even if you don't have kids, the next Queen can be a very different Jane.

Seduce her, make her one of us.
 
At ten, she and especially her sisters are also young enough to be influenced in religious matters.

Bring her to court, show her favor, give her the right tutors, execute your sister, and even if you don't have kids, the next Queen can be a very different Jane.

Seduce her, make her one of us.
I think Mary would like to exclude Elizabeth from succession, she did not even belived that Liz is her sister. But execute her? No. Unless she would do something utterly stupid, like Jane Grey IOTL.
 
Mary will just run her own act of succession through parliament and overturn Daddy's. Then Mary, Queen of Scots can inherit because she's a nice ROMAN CATHOLIC girl and Elizabeth will not even be Lady Elizabeth because she'll officially be Mark Smeaton's daughter. :evilsmile:
 
Mary will just run her own act of succession through parliament and overturn Daddy's. Then Mary, Queen of Scots can inherit because she's a nice ROMAN CATHOLIC girl and Elizabeth will not even be Lady Elizabeth because she'll officially be Mark Smeaton's daughter. :evilsmile:
So Philip would try really hard to provide England with a heir. He'd be more happy even with Pagan on English throne than with Catholic Valois ;)
 
Mary will just run her own act of succession through parliament and overturn Daddy's. Then Mary, Queen of Scots can inherit because she's a nice ROMAN CATHOLIC girl and Elizabeth will not even be Lady Elizabeth because she'll officially be Mark Smeaton's daughter. :evilsmile:

No, Mary is damned, being French in all but name and married to the King of France.

They want an English Monarch at this point and the will will stand. It took 45 years of Elizabeth ignoring the will and an adult male Protestant on the Scotish throne to make this palitable.
 
If Mary is going to marry Philip are we going something like earlier Wyatt's rebellion?
If Henry Grey is involved Jane is in trouble anyway-although still not going to lost head.
If Greys don't fell into Mary's disgrace-what about Edward Courtenay as possible Jane's husband?
 
Rough Wooing is over with Edward's death, but at the moment marriage negotiations between Mary Tudor and Philip Habsburg starts Mary of Scots is send to France in hurry. Next Valois-Habsburg war likely starts 1 or 2 years earlier than IOTL. Mary's Habsburg marriage means that England no longer can switch sides to keep balance between France and Spain/Empire. Just like IOTL there is some unsuccessful rebellion against Mary as reaction-who is going to lost his head? Say in 1549 heir to the throne, little prince Henry is born-popularity of Mary should increase as result. Philip, who is not King of Spain yet would spend more time with his English family, and would not allow French to gain Calais, which is part of his son's inheritance.
 
MQOS's father-in-law died in unlikely accident that is not going to repeat IOTL, alternate Cateau-Cambrésis treaty won't happen in the same circumstances. If Henry II Valois outlived his son he would like her to stay in France and marry his next son.
 
Well Mary isn't going to go to France in 1548 in this scenario - she was packed off to ensure that she wasn't forced into marriage with Edward VI by a faction of Scots or by English military success.
Remaining in Scotland means she is likely to do a better job of being its Queen long term - now with Mary succeeding in England in 47 all will depend on who she marries - if she does marry the widowed Philip then Henri II is going to really want the Scots Queen in France and in his power to ensure the marriage with the dauphin goes through but given that Mary Tudor is likely to cease war with Scotland on her accession (as she has no incentive to continue it) short term Mary Stuart stays in Scotland i suspect for a couple of years longer than iotl at least.
 
Well Mary isn't going to go to France in 1548 in this scenario - she was packed off to ensure that she wasn't forced into marriage with Edward VI by a faction of Scots or by English military success.
Remaining in Scotland means she is likely to do a better job of being its Queen long term - now with Mary succeeding in England in 47 all will depend on who she marries - if she does marry the widowed Philip then Henri II is going to really want the Scots Queen in France and in his power to ensure the marriage with the dauphin goes through but given that Mary Tudor is pokażemy to cease war with Scotland on her accession (as she has no incentive to continue it) short term Mary Stuart stays in Scotland i suspect for a couple of years longer than iotl at least.
Rough Wooing is over but when son of Mary Tudor is born danger of English attemps to enforce marriage of MQOS to Tudor prince comes back. So Henry II would want his future daughter-in-law in France.
 
I for one LOVE the idea of Queen Mary I in 1547! First, this is before Edward VI's religious reforms, so it's practically guaranteed that England would return to the Catholic fold. Second, Elizabeth is only thirteen and likely to be re-educated as a Catholic. Whether that's effective or not is up for debate but there will be attempts to bring her back into the fold, so to speak. Third, Mary is only 31 and much more likely to bare children, (would the dynasty be Tudor or Tudor-hyphen depending on who she marries? I can see Mary and Elizabeth trying to keep the Tudor name going) especially sense she's avoided all the stress she had in Edward's reign.

Now on the topic of the rough wooing and Scotland I have to completely disagree with the other posters. Scotland didn't turn to France until September 1547, after the catastrophic defeat in the battle of Pinkie Cleugh. With Edward's death in 1546 this battle isn't going to happen. The purpose of the war, uniting England and Scotland under Edward, Prince of Wales and Mary Queen of Scots, is gone. Peace negotiations are likely to start after Mary's accession in January, if nor earlier. She has little reason to continue the war and every reason to disengage from a conflict that will bring her no advantage. So with the Rough Wooing over the Scottish Regents have no reason to offer their Queen to the French Dauphin. A French candidate would still be the preference to be sure (maybe Louis de Valois survives infancy?) but there's no reason to force a union or send little Marry to the French Court.

For Mary I's marriage, a Habsburg match is the most likely choice but I'm a little unsure who would be the primary Habsburg candidate would be. It would likely come down between Infante Felipe, Principe de Asturias, Archduke Ferdinand (Emperor Ferdinand I's second son, who OTL married morganaticaly married Philippine Wesler) and the Portuguese Infante Luis, Duque de Beja (who was proposed as Mary's husband by Emperor Charles multiple times OTL). All I can say is there's no chance in hell of a French marriage. Ignoring the lack of ranking candidates the French had been pro Anne Boleyn and are the hereditary enemies of Mary's closest supporter, the Emperor Charles. Marrying a Frenchmen would be a betrayal of the man who, in her eyes, stood by her during her darkest days. As for an English candidate, maybe Edward Courtenay, Earl of Devon? The reasons that made him attractive OTL would still exist TTL, but the match would bring England little advantage and be fairly low-ranking.

Will probably add more to this later.
 
Of these three (Philip of Spain, Archuduke Ferdinand, Louis of Beja), Portuguese infante would be most acceptable for parliament-with that marriage England is not tied so closely to Habsburg block, giving England chance to keep position of guardian of balance of powers, Philip OTOH as candidate of highest status likely will be preferef by Mary.
Aviz England is my favourite outcome for this TL, Habsburgs are already wanked ;)
 
Of these three (Philip of Spain, Archuduke Ferdinand, Louis of Beja), Portuguese infante would be most acceptable for parliament-with that marriage England is not tied so closely to Habsburg block, giving England chance to keep position of guardian of balance of powers, Philip OTOH as candidate of highest status likely will be preferef by Mary.
Aviz England is my favourite outcome for this TL, Habsburgs are already wanked ;)

Luis also offers the possibility of a surviving Aviz line in Portugal as well, provided we still have Sebastian the bizarre. He could just as easily end up butterflied or replaced by a competent ruler. But realistically Felipe is the best choice. OTL his "dowry", for lack of a better word, was the entire Habsburg Netherlands (including Franche-Comté). Mary's not going go give that up. Plus it's not like Parliament's opinion was worth a damn at this point in history.
 
Marriage of João Manuel and Juana of Spain could be easily avoided ITTL-Philip would came to England few years earlier than IOTL, his absence in Spain could delay Juana's marriage. João Manuel could simply die before his wedding. In such case Portuguese throne after John's death would go to Duarte of Guimares.
 
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