Mary Tudor, Princess in Exile

Carlos and Elisabeth are both butterflied away in this timeline. They married in my other timeline though :)

Ahhhhh! That will be why -- I'm thinking of the other one!

Also, you know you can just click on a person (on Family echo; provided they're not dead or the person who started the tree) and click "invite [name] to share" (at the top of the grey box that comes up where you put in the names; at the bottom there is a link that people can use.) You don't have to give out details that way!
 
Ahhhhh! That will be why -- I'm thinking of the other one!

Also, you know you can just click on a person (on Family echo; provided they're not dead or the person who started the tree) and click "invite [name] to share" (at the top of the grey box that comes up where you put in the names; at the bottom there is a link that people can use.) You don't have to give out details that way!

I know. But I actually made it for this timeline, along with a new email to make an account. Personally, if I was asked to make an account for something to see a thing for a timeline I will probably not do it so I thought this was easier for everyone else.
 
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Now, as I am working on my timeline -- to get the rest fully complete before I post any more -- I'd like your opinion. 16 children in 15 years is too much for someone in the 1560s, right? Or, as it's royalty, would it be do able?
 
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Now, as I am working on my timeline -- to get the rest fully complete before I post any more -- I'd like your opinion. 16 children in 15 years is too much for someone in the 1560s, right? Or, as it's royalty, would it be do able?

It's possible, but depends on both parties family history and overall health. Who are the parents of this brood? How many siblings did they have each? When did they start and finish having children during their life (i.e. 20-36)? Are they healthy? If you answer these I can give you a more definite answer. :)
 
Mary Stewart (b. 1542) and Francis of Valois (b. 1544) who is healthier than in history; he's certainly not a dwarf.
Francis of Valois and Mary Stewart are first cousins; Mary's mother, Madeleine of Valois, is the sister of Francis's father -- Francis II, King of France (historically Francis III, Duke of Brittany).
Their first child is born on 2nd April 1560 and the last on 14th Jan 1575. There are 15 in total and all are born when Francis and Mary Stewart are King and Queen of France.
In order:
Elisabeth (2nd April, 1560)
Mary (5th February, 1561)
Margaret (25th December, 1561)
Catherine (5th October, 1562)
Anne (26th August, 1563)
Frances (11th June, 1564)
Victoria (13th April, 1565)
Joan (14th February, 1566)
Louise (16th December, 1567)
Madeleine (23rd October, 1568)
Beatrice (17th August, 1569)
Francis, Dauphin of France (19th June, 1570)
Henry (25th April, 1571)
Louis (19th February, 1572)
Charles (1st December, 1573)
Hercules (14th January, 1575)

In this timeline, Francis's siblings are the same -- Elisabeth, Claude, Louis, Charles, Henry, Margaret, Hercules, Joan and Victoria -- and Mary has James, Alexander, Robert, Francis, Margaret, Adam, Elisabeth and Claude as siblings.
 
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Mary Stewart (b. 1542) and Francis of Valois (b. 1544) who is healthier than in history; he's certainly not a dwarf.
Francis of Valois and Mary Stewart are first cousins; Mary's mother, Madeleine of Valois, is the sister of Francis's father -- Francis II, King of France (historically Francis III, Duke of Brittany).
Their first child is born on 2nd April 1560 and the last on 14th Jan 1575. There are 15 in total and all are born when Francis and Mary Stewart are King and Queen of France.
In order:
Elisabeth (2nd April, 1560)
Mary (5th February, 1561)
Margaret (25th December, 1561)
Catherine (5th October, 1562)
Anne (26th August, 1563)
Frances (11th June, 1564)
Victoria (13th April, 1565)
Joan (14th February, 1566)
Louise (16th December, 1567)
Madeleine (23rd October, 1568)
Beatrice (17th August, 1569)
Francis, Dauphin of France (19th June, 1570)
Henry (25th April, 1571)
Louis (19th February, 1572)
Charles (1st December, 1573)
Hercules (14th January, 1575)

In this timeline, Francis's siblings are the same -- Elisabeth, Claude, Louis, Charles, Henry, Margaret, Hercules, Joan and Victoria -- and Mary has James, Alexander, Robert, Francis, Margaret, Adam, Elisabeth and Claude as siblings.

I'd say that it's a bit excessive. Here are my thoughts as to possible change:

1) Francis stays the same

2) Mary should have James, Alexander, Robert, Margaret and Elisabeth. The others are both a bit much and not typical 'Scottish' names. If you where going to keep those characters in your timeline, I would suggest the names:

Arthur (has been used before)

Matilda

Charles or Edward or Edmund

3) Again, the children between them is a bit excessive. You can keep them all, but I would suggest killing a few off in childhood. For example:

Elisabeth (2nd April, 1560)
Mary (5th February, 1561) -died-
Margaret (25th December, 1561)
Catherine (5th October, 1562)
Anne (26th August, 1563) -died-
Frances (11th June, 1564) -died-
Francis, Dauphin of France
Joan (14th February, 1566)
Louise (16th December, 1567) -died-
Madeleine (23rd October, 1568)
Beatrice (17th August, 1569) -died-
Victoria (13th April, 1565) (19th June, 1570)
Henry (25th April, 1571)
Louis (19th February, 1572) -died-
Charles (1st December, 1573)
Hercules (14th January, 1575)

This will make it more realistic. But it is also a suggestion, feel free to take it as you please. :)
 
I'd say that it's a bit excessive. Here are my thoughts as to possible change:

1) Francis stays the same

2) Mary should have James, Alexander, Robert, Margaret and Elisabeth. The others are both a bit much and not typical 'Scottish' names. If you where going to keep those characters in your timeline, I would suggest the names:

Arthur (has been used before)

Matilda

Charles or Edward or Edmund

3) Again, the children between them is a bit excessive. You can keep them all, but I would suggest killing a few off in childhood. For example:

Elisabeth (2nd April, 1560)
Mary (5th February, 1561) -died-
Margaret (25th December, 1561)
Catherine (5th October, 1562)
Anne (26th August, 1563) -died-
Frances (11th June, 1564) -died-
Francis, Dauphin of France
Joan (14th February, 1566)
Louise (16th December, 1567) -died-
Madeleine (23rd October, 1568)
Beatrice (17th August, 1569) -died-
Victoria (13th April, 1565) (19th June, 1570)
Henry (25th April, 1571)
Louis (19th February, 1572) -died-
Charles (1st December, 1573)
Hercules (14th January, 1575)

This will make it more realistic. But it is also a suggestion, feel free to take it as you please. :)

Oh, not all of them are going to live -- these are just the ones she gives birth too.

James, Arthur, etc are Mary's SIBLINGS, not children. They are James V's offspring.
 
Oh, not all of them are going to live -- these are just the ones she gives birth too.

James, Arthur, etc are Mary's SIBLINGS, not children. They are James V's offspring.

1) Ok, then it seems ok :)

2) I know. I was just noting that it seems unrealistic in the amount and the names given. I should have been clearer. :)
 
1) Ok, then it seems ok :)

2) I know. I was just noting that it seems unrealistic in the amount and the names given. I should have been clearer. :)

Ironically, everyone but Francis and Claude are actual names used in the Stewart Family between James I and Charles I.
 
This display of intellect in such a young girl is amazing for most ambassadors and courtiers (including her loving Grandfather, Thomas Boleyn) the King merely greets her and turns to little Margaret, who now has long, thick golden locks...

Wasn't Thomas Boleyn killed on the road a few years back?
 
Wait, I forgot to ask, but did Mary renounce only her own succession rights, or did she also deny succession rights to all her descendants who would not marry back to the English throne?
 
Wait, I forgot to ask, but did Mary renounce only her own succession rights, or did she also deny succession rights to all her descendants who would not marry back to the English throne?

No, she renounced her own sucession rights, but her descendants will still have their claim.
 
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