Mary I has a daughter

Mary I of England and Ireland (b.1516: d.1558) m. Philip II of Spain (b.1527: d.1598) (a)

1a) Catherine I of England and Ireland, Countess Palatine of the Netherlands (b.1554: d.1617) m. Ernest von Hapsburg, Archduke of Austria (b.1553: d.1614) (a)

1a) Margaret von Hapsburg, Princess of England (b.1572: d.1594) m. Maximilian I, Elector of Bavaria (b.1573: d.1651) (a)

1a) Margaret Renata of Bavaria (b.1593)​
2a) Stillborn Daughter (c.1574)

3a) Philip I of England and Ireland, 2nd Count Palatine of the Netherlands (b.1575: d.1641) m. Anna von Hapsburg, Archduchess of Austria (b.1572: d.1598) (a), Elisabeth of Lorraine (b.1574: d.1635) (b)

1a) Philip von Hapsburg, Prince of Wales (b.1592: d.1599)

2a) Miscarriage (c.1594)

3a) Mary von Hapsburg, Princess of France (b.1595)

4a) Henry IX of England and Ireland, 3rd Palatine of the Netherlands (b.1597)

5a) Stillborn Son (c.1598)​
4a) Edward von Hapsburg, Duke of York, Governor of the Netherlands (b.1578: d.1639) m. Eleanor of Austria (b.1582: d.1620) (a)

1a) Mary von Hapsburg (b.1601)

2a) Charles von Hapsburg, 2nd Duke of York, Governor of the Netherlands (b.1605)​
5a) Miscarriage (c.1580)

6a) Stillborn Son (c.1581)

7a) Elizabeth von Hapsburg, Princess of England (b.1584: d.1643) m. Maximilian Ernest von Hapsburg, Archduke of Austria (b.1583: d.1616) (a)

8a) Miscarriage (c.1586)

9a) Albert von Hapsburg, Duke of Clarence (b.1589: d.1594)
Elizabeth Tudor (b.1533: d.1603) m. Juan of Austria (b.1547: d.1578) (a)

1a) Charles von Hapsburg (b.1565) m. Antionette of Lorraine (b.1568: d.1610) (a)

1a) Catherine von Hapsburg (b.1591)

2a) Philip von Hapsburg (b.1593)

3a) Ferdinand von Hapsburg (b.1595)

4a) Henry von Hapsburg (b.1596)

5a) Mary von Hapsburg (b.1599)​

2a) Miscarriage (c.1567)

3a) Stillborn Son (c.1569)

4a) Barbara von Hapsburg (b.1572: d.1629) m. Pietro de' Medici (b.1554: d.1604) (a)

1a) Lucrezia de' Medici (b.1589)

2a) Giovanni de' Medici (b.1591)

3a) Elisabeth de' Medici (b.1594)​
 
Elizabeth most likely pushes for that style of neutral education for the new little Queen of England, but on the flip side I doubt Philip, the father, will allow it to go through. Elizabeth as Regent would be expected to toe the line between having England be a Hapsburg satellite and a separate country, regardless of religion. I think it is likely Catherine grows up to be more neutral due to Elizabeth's influence personally, but I doubt she'll be raised with a wide array of views otherwise.

Charles is the most likely. Elizabeth didn't want to marry him OTL because she was Queen and the Holy Roman Emperor wanted Charles to succeed her if she dies childless. While the religion thing was definitely another key issue, it seems the succession question was the thing that most annoyed her. ITL, that is no longer relevant, and the religion question theoretically being answered by her needing to be Catholic to keep on Philip II of Spain's good side.

What could we expect of Catherine's education? What would Philip deem appropriate for her to be taught? I agree that given Elizabeth's influence she'll likely be more neutral though.

Alright, so we'd have Elizabeth marry Charles. Hmm. Would we see her as simply an Archduchess of Austria or would Elizabeth be given titles of her own? As regent she'd probably need a title of her own. I think it likely that she might be made Marquess of Pembroke given that that was the title her mother held. But would that be it? Or might she get another Boleyn title?
 
Elizabeth most likely pushes for that style of neutral education for the new little Queen of England, but on the flip side I doubt Philip, the father, will allow it to go through. Elizabeth as Regent would be expected to toe the line between having England be a Hapsburg satellite and a separate country, regardless of religion. I think it is likely Catherine grows up to be more neutral due to Elizabeth's influence personally, but I doubt she'll be raised with a wide array of views otherwise.

Charles is the most likely. Elizabeth didn't want to marry him OTL because she was Queen and the Holy Roman Emperor wanted Charles to succeed her if she dies childless. While the religion thing was definitely another key issue, it seems the succession question was the thing that most annoyed her. ITL, that is no longer relevant, and the religion question theoretically being answered by her needing to be Catholic to keep on Philip II of Spain's good side.

Elizabeth's going to have to keep on Felipe II's good side, yes. But that doesn't mean that he's going to allow his daughter's education to be supervised by his late wife's half-sister, who has the support of the Protestants, and who, should a scenario befall little Catherine as befell Ernst OTL, stands to inherit the throne. He seemed to realize that his wife's hardline attitudes OTL were doing more harm than good, so ever the realist here, I think Felipe II might entrust her education (I could see her having at least a Catholic chaplain and confessor) to Catholic Englishmen, not necessarily those who'd been Protestant under Edward VI, Catholic under Mary, and would be Protestant again if Elizabeth were to succeed.

How much Elizabeth is going to be able to influence her niece is also open to debate. Liz could make all the right noises in the right places about religion, but what one would need to remember is that she was, after all, the daughter of the "whore Boleyn" who had replaced the "rightful queen". There might be enough at court who would be interested in fanning the friction between the direct line (personified first by Mary I then by little Queen Katherine) and the Boleyn line (personified by Elizabeth), especially if they could manoeuvre themselves into better positions as a result of it?
 

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I know everyone seems set on Catherine marrying Archduke Ernest but what about Karl Frederick of Julich-Cleves-Berg? He'd be half Habsburg as a grandson of Ferdinand I (through a female line obviously). His father rules territories adjacent to the Spanish Netherlands and is a moderate on religious issues. Karl Frederick died young OTL but if he was in England pursuing marriage to Catherine instead of in Rome perhaps he doesn't contract smallpox.

It would really bolster their rule in the Netherlands, outflanking the rebellious provinces to the east on the Rhine and creating a potential powerhouse in northwest Germany. Though that in and of itself might be reason enough for the Habsburgs to oppose the match, to avoid creating a rival to the Austrian line within the HRE. Anyways, it was just a thought.
 
There's also going to be the anti-Habsburg faction (who are not exactly synonymous with the Protestant sympathizers); the French are going to be very interested in goings-on in England, and Scotland (with Protestants squaring off against pro-French Catholics, especially if butterflies allow Francis II to survive) is a hot mess that will have to be dealt with.

It's also somewhat unclear how much influence Philip would be allowed in England in this case. Mary's will would probably leave him the regency, but (as Jane Grey can attest) that doesn't always come through. As long as England remains relatively friendly (which means anti-French), I see him as being reasonably willing to tolerate some level of independence from the local governors.
 
I know everyone seems set on Catherine marrying Archduke Ernest but what about Karl Frederick of Julich-Cleves-Berg? He'd be half Habsburg as a grandson of Ferdinand I (through a female line obviously). His father rules territories adjacent to the Spanish Netherlands and is a moderate on religious issues. Karl Frederick died young OTL but if he was in England pursuing marriage to Catherine instead of in Rome perhaps he doesn't contract smallpox.

It would really bolster their rule in the Netherlands, outflanking the rebellious provinces to the east on the Rhine and creating a potential powerhouse in northwest Germany. Though that in and of itself might be reason enough for the Habsburgs to oppose the match, to avoid creating a rival to the Austrian line within the HRE. Anyways, it was just a thought.

This marriage would likely enlarge the English crown's possessions on the continent. Could Karl Frederick receive Guelders from the Emperor if he marries Catherine?

It's an interesting thought though. And probably very likely since Karl Frederick is half-Habsburg through his mother. This would also some extra security to Catherine's Burgundian territories in the Netherlands. England and the Grand Duchy probably need to strong in order to survive future assaults from France.

There's also going to be the anti-Habsburg faction (who are not exactly synonymous with the Protestant sympathizers); the French are going to be very interested in goings-on in England, and Scotland (with Protestants squaring off against pro-French Catholics, especially if butterflies allow Francis II to survive) is a hot mess that will have to be dealt with.

It's also somewhat unclear how much influence Philip would be allowed in England in this case. Mary's will would probably leave him the regency, but (as Jane Grey can attest) that doesn't always come through. As long as England remains relatively friendly (which means anti-French), I see him as being reasonably willing to tolerate some level of independence from the local governors.

It would be incredibly difficult for Philip to remain in charge of the regency himself. Perhaps, he'd leave Elizabeth in charge as the head of the regency but she'd have to listen to a number of England's Catholic nobility and clergy.

Though you're right. France would be unlikely to leave matters as is and would seek to meddle in English affairs. Scotland will definitely throw a spanner in the works as well.
 
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