Mary Anjou of Hungary and her unborn son don't die during a hunt. What are the ATL repercussions ?

[Kellan Sullivan]

I'm curious, speaking of the magnates - if Sigmund and Maria have only one son (for whatever reason, the birth damages her; their other children are all daughters; their other sons all die young), what happens to Hungary? The Luxemburgs already have Bohemia and the Empire. The magnates aren't all that fond of being a smaller part of a greater whole; the German electors were likewise not overly keen on the Luxemburgs extra-imperial ambitions from what I recall. Then there's the question of Naples (although Ladislas could very easily have an heir, and failing him, Giovanna might), but if it goes the same way as OTL's dynastic failure, Maria's son or his kids would have the best claim wouldn't he?

How do we force everyone to get along? Or do the electors decide to say "screw it" and choose a non-Anjou-Luxemburg at the next election?

 

[JonasResende]

I'm curious, speaking of the magnates - if Sigmund and Maria have only one son (for whatever reason, the birth damages her; their other children are all daughters; their other sons all die young), what happens to Hungary? The Luxemburgs already have Bohemia and the Empire. The magnates aren't all that fond of being a smaller part of a greater whole; the German electors were likewise not overly keen on the Luxemburgs extra-imperial ambitions from what I recall. Then there's the question of Naples (although Ladislas could very easily have an heir, and failing him, Giovanna might), but if it goes the same way as OTL's dynastic failure, Maria's son or his kids would have the best claim wouldn't he?

How do we force everyone to get along? Or do the electors decide to say "screw it" and choose a non-Anjou-Luxemburg at the next election?

The good news is that if the electors do feel that way (and OTL they did in the 1411? election) the competition was strong between the Wittelsbach elector, Jobst of Moravia and Sigmund, the house of Luxemburg might be in better shape with regard to heirs - it might not, I mean, OTL 1410s they were basically down to heiresses, but those girls are born, and the marriages they are born of, are significantly after the POD

 

[Petike]

I'm preparing the mega-reply to end all replies to all the posts I haven't replied to yet. Be patient guys, it's coming soon. This topic fascinates and will continue to, but I've had a bit of a busy week so far.

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

I'm preparing the mega-reply to end all replies to all the posts I haven't replied to yet. Be patient guys, it's coming soon. This topic fascinates and will continue to, but I've had a bit of a busy week so far.

No worries. Real life (yuck!) gets in the way sometimes.

 

[The Undead Martyr]

I actually gave this some thought as a potential timeline, for however many years in the future when I'm done with my Visconti TL. It is quite an obvious and fascinating PoD.

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

I'm preparing the mega-reply to end all replies to all the posts I haven't replied to yet. Be patient guys, it's coming soon. This topic fascinates and will continue to, but I've had a bit of a busy week so far.

Hope everything's okay.

I was wondering something: Say Marie still dies, but her son lives. If Sigismund were to remarry (and have another son) would it be possible that the Hungarians would want Marie's son as king but on condition that he's ineligible for the imperial crown (which can go to Sigismund's son from his second marriage/cousin/nephew)?

 

[Kellan Sullivan]

My apologies for the double post, but I was wondering, would Sigismund agree to a Valois princess for marriage to his son (1395)? Maybe Michelle de Valois (b.1395) or maybe one of Jean Sans-Peur's daughters (Isabelle?)? Or would Isabeau of Bavaria block one of her daughters' being future queen of Hungary - Isabeau's cousin was Sigismund's one-time sister-in-law, who'd been married to the not-always-nice Wenzel of Luxemburg.

 

[JonasResende]

My apologies for the double post, but I was wondering, would Sigismund agree to a Valois princess for marriage to his son (1395)? Maybe Michelle de Valois (b.1395) or maybe one of Jean Sans-Peur's daughters (Isabelle?)? Or would Isabeau of Bavaria block one of her daughters' being future queen of Hungary - Isabeau's cousin was Sigismund's one-time sister-in-law, who'd been married to the not-always-nice Wenzel of Luxemburg.

I don't think Isabeau's that sentimental. I mean, she hated Valentina Visconti, duchesse d'Orléans because of the bad blood between their families, yet her eldest daughter remarried to the duc d'Orléans. The duc d'Orléans was betrothed to Maria/Jadwiga's sister at a time with the prospect of her inheriting Poland and Hungary and Naples (as opposed to Maria/Jadwiga splitting the inheritance), so a French match isn't completely out of left field.