Mark Antony as a Military Commander

Mark Antony Underated as a Military Commander?

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Mark Antony as a Military Commander

I was reading the Mark Antony killed at Mutina thread and it had me thinking about Mark Antony as a military commander. From what i've read he seems to be underrated.

Antony during his early years performed well in the East, Gaul and during Caesar's Civil War. After Caesar assassination, he fought Octavian's forces a Forum Gallorum and Muntia both battles he was horribly outnumbered, managed to inflict heavier casualties then sustained and killed both enemy consuls. Later at Phillipi he pretty much won the battle himself due to Octavian's illness.

Now later in his career he starts to slip a little bit. The Parthian war certainly did not go as planned, he took heavy losses and archived little outside of subduing Armenia. Antony did he managed to keep his army intact something Crassus failed to do at Carrhae. He managed to keep discipline in his army utilizing his light skirmisher forces well and kept his cavalry from overextending themselves, like at Carrhae, and limited them to short successful charges. Over his 27 day retreat he fought a through 18 engagements and survived, despite being attacked by a far more mobile force of 40,000 cataphracts-horse archers.

Now finally we have Actium. Antony's plan for the campaign and his positioning southern Greece seems like a good choice. I'll quote Anthony Everitt "Antony's plan can only have been to tempt, or at least allow, Octavian to transport his army into Greece. The fleet at Actium could then move north and mount a general blockade, preventing provisions and reinforcements from coming to Octavian's assistance. Once the trap was closed, the Roman empire's leading commander would delay offering a set-piece battle. With his safe supply route to Egypt, Antony would have all the time in the world, whereas Octavian, whom he knew already short of money, would soon also be short of food. Bottled up and desperate for an encounter Octavian and his army would be easily finessed into a weak defensive position and routed." We can also blame Quintus Dellius betraying all of his plans to Octavian which I'm sure didn't help. I do however think it was a mistake for Antony to put so much focus on the naval aspect and not his land army. Canidius Crassus wanted Antony to play for a land battle and I think had it been fought he probably would have won.

Hope the above analysis was good.:p Where do you think he ranks as a ancient military? Were any of his post Caesar contemporaries better then him such as Agrippa, Sextus Pompey, Cassius, Lepidus, Ventidius, ect...?

@James XI posted this in the Mutina thread, I very much agree:
This period was Antony at his absolute best as a commander, even though it's often portrayed as a lull for him because it coincided with Octavian's rise to legitimacy. At Forum Gallorum he adopted a Napoleonic strategy that almost worked, taking on 8 legions with his 2, wiping out more than 5 legions and withdrawing in reasonably good order, though still heavily outnumbered. At Mutina he's facing greater than 2:1 odds and comes within a hair's breath of winning, killed both enemy consuls and retreated in good order. At Phillipi he alone defeated both Liberator wings, saving Octavian's life/legions and destroying the enemy army.

Because his enemies wrote his history he's often marginalized, but there's a lot of evidence that suggests he was a brilliant commander and pretty shrewd politician. His principle weakness seems to be that the above describe him in moments of crisis/action...when things subside to the day to day he grows restless, indolent and luxuriant.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/wi-mark-antony-killed-at-mutina.399898/
 
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What does underrated mean here? I don't think most people would disagree that he was a highly competent military commander.

I've seen it said that if Antony had won at or simply avoided his Parthian excursion (leaving aside for a moment the implementation of that) then he'd have been in much better shape. The story of his triumph would effectively counteract any negative propaganda, and when he and Octavian finally came to blows, he'd have a lot more veteran soldiers at his command. In that case, Octavian would be almost certainly doomed.

I don't think many of his contemporaries were better than him. Certainly not Cassius and Lepidus. Agrippa did beat Antony, but Agrippa almost always had vastly superior resources at his disposal in pretty much every other campaign he fought - whereas Antony often seems to have prevailed or avoided defeat with significantly inferior forces.
 
What does underrated mean here? I don't think most people would disagree that he was a highly competent military commander.
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Underrated in the sense that is not presented as one of history's top generals or even one of the greatest ancient generals. For instance a quick search online of the top hit don't have him in 25 ancient commanders or 100 greatest generals. Though Perhaps he's better liked then I though. I always imagined that Octavian was made out to be far superior and that Antony was a hot head in love with Cleopatra.
http://www.scout.com/military/deadl...9-25-greatest-commanders-of-the-ancient-world
http://www.historynet.com/100-greatest-generals.htm

I've seen it said that if Antony had won at or simply avoided his Parthian excursion (leaving aside for a moment the implementation of that) then he'd have been in much better shape. The story of his triumph would effectively counteract any negative propaganda, and when he and Octavian finally came to blows, he'd have a lot more veteran soldiers at his command. In that case, Octavian would be almost certainly doomed.

Very good point, he lost tons of men and material in the venture. I wonder if Caesar would have done any better or similar results would have incurred?
 

Raunchel

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Basically I think that he is generally underrated. In the general perception, he is the guy who was for Caesar, then tried to take power with Cleopatra, and got defeated. So what most people know about him, militarily, is that he lost.
 
Basically I think that he is generally underrated. In the general perception, he is the guy who was for Caesar, then tried to take power with Cleopatra, and got defeated. So what most people know about him, militarily, is that he lost.
This is definitely true.My opinion before reading in depth about M.A was basically that he's a commander with all brawn and no brain,and that he was an idiot without the guiding hand of Caesar.
 
Antony was a fantastic tactical commander but was iffy at the strategic and campaign level. Caesar was able to use him effectively because of those strengths, but he never seems to have quite got the hang of running the show.
 
One thing about him that I've never understood was how his genius ploy of sending Pompey's fleet off after a decoy, allowing him to ship his army across the Adriatic and thereby save Caesar from certain doom is completely unrecognized. This should be a legendary move, a real pivotal moment solved by inspired brilliance and courage and yet it's almost never even mentioned in passing.
 

If you want Mark Antony to win, you really have to keep him from getting to govern. This sounds like a fantastic way to throw loads of negative variables in the mix. Both Sextus Pompey and Lepedius will be obviously lesser partners, but this sort of scenario seems perfectly primed to leave Antony struggling to have to govern everything until the Republicans rally and beat him.

My suggestion would be a moderately successful invasion of Iran, one resolved diplomatically. Antony returns to Rome triumphant and thus when he and Octavian come to blows, things are working just a little better for him. Accordingly, Antonys crushes Octavian in a decisive battle and marches on Rome. He then gets to preoccupy himself with mopping up Octavian's faction.

The real problem you'll run into is that I doubt Antony has the vision to fix anything wrong with the Republic.
 
Both Sextus Pompey and Lepedius will be obviously lesser partners, but this sort of scenario seems perfectly primed to leave Antony struggling to have to govern everything until the Republicans rally and beat him...

The real problem you'll run into is that I doubt Antony has the vision to fix anything wrong with the Republic.
This is another way of framing what I speculated in the link, which is that Antony doesn't try to govern everything, so that Rome is a republic when he passes. In effect, he's like Sulla, only leaving the actual reforms to others.
My suggestion would be a moderately successful invasion of Iran, one resolved diplomatically. Antony returns to Rome triumphant and thus when he and Octavian come to blows, things are working just a little better for him. Accordingly, Antonys crushes Octavian in a decisive battle and marches on Rome. He then gets to preoccupy himself with mopping up Octavian's faction.
Why can't he become big man of Rome first, then march into Persia? I agree this is what he really wanted to do, and that his position will only be strengthened if he returns triumphant.
 
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