Because she was the eldest and we are NOT in England or in places were female succession was NOT allowed at all
Margaret, The Maid of Norway Survives - Butterflies???
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Which is why I wanted to know what the rules and customs were of the area involved.
I'm sorry if I'm coming across as overly pedantic but you're assuming she's the heir as the eldest without showing why that would be the case.
If the 3 sons of Philip IV all die just as OTL then there would 2 times a princess bypassed by Uncles so IMO there were 2 precendents and Isabella would have no chance against the Valois .
How would English continental politics look like when there 's no danger from Scotland?Stronger hold on Guyenne and Ponthieu?
Also, it seems everyone is missing the Irish. What would the Irish react like in this scenario in the 1200s?
Maybe Normandy and Calais are going to be held longer? Also The naval tradition would come earlier, as the Scottish coasts would extend the Royal Navy's duties which means = extra ships = extra sailors = extra sailor recruitment campaign = bigger navy = better naval tradition.
Isabella NEVER claimed the French Crown for herself as Philip V’s succession prevented a claim from her (and for that reason Philip’s own daughters would NEVER be allowed to inherit France). When Jeanne’s lost her succession‘s rights her female cousins and aunt also lost their own. In OTL Edward III (aka Isabella’s son) claimed the crown as closest male heir of Charles IV, arguing who while his mother was unable to inherit/take the crown for herself she was able to transmit the rights of succession to him...
Edward based his OTL claim (and Charles would base his ATL claim) on blood proximity plus exclusion of females BUT not female lines...
Well, the easiest solution if at all possible would be to have the eldest daughter of Edward and Margaret turn around and marry Edward's younger half-brother Thomas of Brotherton. Papal dispensation would of course be required, but if Longshanks is still alive, he has the credibility and influence to get one. However, if Longshanks is dead and the Papacy has fallen into the back pocket of Philip IV of France, then it's more up in the air.
This could be the succession in this TL
Philip IV of France m. Jeanne I of Navarre(a)
1a. Margaret of France b. 1288 m. Robert I of Naples(a)
1a1a. Louis XI of France and I Naples b. 1306 m. Jeanne of France
2a. Louis X (4 October 1289 – 5 June 1316)
2a1a. Jeanne of France b. 1210 m. Robert of Naples
3a. Blanche b. 1290 m. Ferdinand IV of. Castile
4a. Philip V (1292/93 – 3 January 1322)
5a. Charles IV (1294 – 1 February 1328)
6a.Isabella (c. 1295 – 23 August 1358) m. Henry IV of England b. 1300
7a. Robert (1296, Paris – August 1308, Saint Germain-en-Laye)
Philip IV of France m. Jeanne I of Navarre(a)
1a. Margaret of France b. 1288 m. Robert I of Naples(a)
1a1a. Louis XI of France and I Naples b. 1306 m. Jeanne of France
2a. Louis X (4 October 1289 – 5 June 1316)
2a1a. Jeanne of France b. 1210 m. Robert of Naples
3a. Blanche b. 1290 m. Ferdinand IV of. Castile
4a. Philip V (1292/93 – 3 January 1322)
5a. Charles IV (1294 – 1 February 1328)
6a.Isabella (c. 1295 – 23 August 1358) m. Henry IV of England b. 1300
7a. Robert (1296, Paris – August 1308, Saint Germain-en-Laye)
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Just two random candidates: the king of Castile, Fernando IV was engaged to BOTH her sisters who died ib infancy; and Jan the Blind son of Emperor Heinrich VII, who OTL married Eliska of Bohemia. Hell, Isabelle might even be proposed as a second wife for Heinrich VII instead of Katharina of Austria.
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Anyone up for writing a full story about the Maid surviving?
Especially if she only has female child or children?
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Especially if she only has female child or children?
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I'll support if so. I have ideas I just have difficulty doing a lot of writing!
@VVD0D95: I've considered combining a Maid of Norway and Adolf of Nassau TL. Butterflies may even get you a Wittelsbach Hungary, since that almost happened too.
Just how much does adding Scotland to the Plantagenet domains increase their power relative to France and Castile?
Just how much does adding Scotland to the Plantagenet domains increase their power relative to France and Castile?
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I think you are all forgetting the possibility that Isabella not being Queen of England might butterfly away her discovery of the Tour De Nesse Affair, thus allowing the direct Capetians to continue in the male line (with some geneticists studying the royal genome finding out a dirty secret centuries later.)
Will Edward I still remary if his son is wed to the heiress of Scotland?
Will Edward I still remary if his son is wed to the heiress of Scotland?
I'd rather Eleanor of Castile survived, but if she's dying on schedule I think he will.
Edward II of England (b. 1284) m. Margaret I of Scotland (b. 1283)
A) Eleanor of England (b. 1303) m. Alfonso IV of Aragon (b.1300)
B) Margaret of England (b. 1305) m. William II of Hainaut (b. 1307)
C) Arthur I of England, Scotland, Ireland and Navarre (b. 1308) m. Joan II of Navarre (b. 1310)
D) Edward, Duke of Cornwall and Mearns (b. 1310) m. María Díaz II de Haro, Lady of Biscay (b. 1312)
E) Alexander, Duke of Somerset and Gowrie (b. 1313) m. Mathe I, Countess of Armagnac (b. 1310)
F) Joan of England (b. 1315) m. Louis V, Holy Roman Emperor (b. 1314)
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I would prefer that Eleanor of Castile survive too, but it did take Edward nearly 10 years to remarry in OTL and that was while his sole male heir remained unbetrothed and unmarried. With that said, he was looking for another possible marriage a few years after Eleanor's death, though obviously nothing came of that.
Remarrying would be the responsible and prudent thing for Edward to do. He knew better than anyone else just how fragile a child's life could be; he and Eleanor had already lost 3 sons in childhood and about 4 daughters. Any bride would be very fortunate to marry him; say what you want about his kingly qualities, but Edward was an excellent husband.
He married Margaret of France in OTL to secure the peace after a war with Philip IV of France. I'm not so sure Philip would try to revoke Gascony if Edward wasn't already fighting a war in Scotland, so Edward might just try and find himself a duchess, countess, or heiress on the Continent that could further advance his international goals.