Along with an alliance with Saudi Arabia, who also don't particularly like the UAR (because it is too republican-y)?
Map Thread XXII
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Yes and it would behoove them to have a possible nuclear weapon deployment option via Djibouti insofar as the Soviets saw things, even if they couldn't find out if the French actually did or they just paranoidly wouldn't get over the possibility of. So they threw nukes at their impish day dreams on projected targer lists to justify their paychecks.
I'm quite unsure on whether Lebanon would join such a union. The high amounts of Christians, Non-Sunni Muslim groups would likely keep Lebanon out of such a union. Such an act would have to go through their president, who can only ever be a Christian. They may support such a union to destabilize Israel, but never join it.
History of the Federal Republic of Germany
(Or Steady the course)
On September 11th, 1930, just a few mere days before the 1930 German Federal Elections, Adolf Hitler was stabbed to death outside of the Brown House. The Assailant was 19 year old Rudolf Bracken, a member of the KPD and a so called protégé of Ernst Thälmann. Rudolf, who was shot dead by members of the National Socialist party shortly afterwards it was reportedly raving mad, calling Mr. Hitler a madman, a genocidal fool and how he had saved millions of jews. While it could be said that the National Socialist party was a party full of antisemites, it is unlikely that a genocide was in any plans by Hitler, who wasn't expected to win more than 5 percent of the vote.
Hitler's replacement in the race, Robert Wagner, won 16.4 percent of the vote, a whole 11 points more than expected.
However the main issue would arise in the great loss in support for the SPD and KPD, who together grossed only 19.4 points. The winner of the election as it would turn out, would be Ludwig Kaas, a catholic priest, the first ever in Germany's history to win the Chancellorship. Kaas' regime under Hindenburg would see the outbreak of what is known as the Triumvirate in the Reichstag. The Zentrum Party, under Kaas, the DNVP under Hugenburg, and of course NSDAP under Wagner. These years would see an economic uphill and some small political issues out of the Communist.
in 1933 Kaas would win the Chancellorship for the final time, as a new issue would arise. The Communist.
On February 27, the Reichstag seizure would occur, in which Communist paramilitary groups would seize the Reichstag and attempt to coup the government. Of the 608 members of the Reichstag who attended that day, only 142 remained as the communist commited the worst massacre in pre-war Germany, the Blutigertag. Berlin was quickly thrown into disrepair and sorrow as it's government was stagnate, and Germany as a whole neared civil war. The Triumvirate would survive, save Kaas, who was one of the first people to be shot by the communist paramilitary.
Within a month new elections were held, and it was decided that Rudolf Ameluxen would be the new Reichskanzler. Within the first day the "Gesetz zur Ausgrenzung von Kommunisten", or the Communist Exclusion Act" would be established. Communist around the nation were rounded up, in which doors were broken in, and whole families carried out and deported forcefully to the Soviet Union. Those whom resisted were killed. Communist propaganda was banned in Germany and burned en masse.
This rightward trend would continue in Germany, however a more leftward trend would continue elsewhere in France.
In France the Great Depression was hitting hard. The government wasn't able to continue giving aide to the French as anger was rife. In 1931, the government would collapse, unable to bear it's own weight. Colonies were leaving the nation and in the chaos Great Britain would abandon them to their fate, instead moving in to secure some of the French colonial nations under their wing.
The New Government would be established not as a presidency, but as a Dictatorship under Maurice Thorez. The government itself would build France up in a communist regime, and would begin to stir Communist Nationalism to keep the people busy while Thorez consolidated power. The idea of Frontières naturelles would stir in France, as many began to look at Belgium as the first piece of pie.
In 1938 Grand Premier Thorez would demand the annexation of Walloon lands in Belgium, leading to the Ghent Conference. In Ghent the French laid their demands, the full annexation of Belgium, or they would join the Comintern and invade, dragging Europe into a war. The deal was then moved back, to all Walloon lands, while Flemish would remain as a separate Republi. The French would agree to halt their expansion and to remain neutral on the world stage, This deal was accepted.
And then promptly ignored.
In April 18th, 1940 the seizure of Luxembourg would occur, where French soldiers would seize Luxembourg over the night, though not without plenty of resistance. The Dutch and Germans would respond in outrage over this, threatening war, while in the east the Polish would soon find themselves on the backfoot, as Soviet troops would begin storming across the border. The Soviets, now under Trotsky after the Red Revolution of 1938, sought to continue the World Revolution.
The Germans, British and Dutch would quickly find themselves worried, and the establishment of the Hanoverian Accord's, which would see the establishment of the British-Dutch-German alliance or commonly known simply as The Allies, would declare that all illegal occupations were to be brought to an end, and that all Soviet and French troops were to leave their occupied lands. This was ignored, as the Soviets and French believed the British and Germans to be bluffing.
On May 4th, 1940, the Allied forces would declare war, with Poland swiftly joining the alliance. Initially great gains would be made, as French troops would be pushed back to Sedan, however on July 21st, the French would begin the Aérienblitz, a massive night paratrooper raid behind enemy lines. These paratroopers would fly within the rain clouds, and after going over the German lines would begin to massacre the German troops.
The Germans, who were caught unaware would collapse, as French troops would blitz east, crossing the Rhine September 2nd, and Capturing Frankfurt in a week.
By 1941 the Netherlands, Poland and Germany were under Communist occupation, and the communist would steadily become more depraved. Unknown during the war, the Communist would steadily begin to massacre those who disagreed with their regime. Still to this day mass graves are found in Germany and the Benelux region, the bodies of those killed numbering the millions. Throughout the war mass rape, mass murder and torture were commited by communist troops to punish those peoples who caused trouble under occupation.
on December 1941 the Yugoslavian Government would fall under Communism, as Josip Tito would bring the nation into the war and into the Comintern. It would quickly become apparant as to why, as Tito would declare war upon the Italians, and the nation itself would see stiff resistance as the bells of war would ring just five miles out of Rome. The Czechslovak country would also join the Comintern.
On June, 19th, 1942, The American ship USS Relief, an American Hospital ship was sunk by a French Destroyer while en route to Britain. Those who survived, only numbering five members of the crew, two doctors, a mechanic, a nurse, and the ship's mascot dog, Doc, who had to have one of his leg's amputated after shrapnel pierced his right hind leg. Luckily the survivors were picked up by the HMS King George V. The Sinking of Relief stirred America into the war, on the same day the Communist themselves declared war.
The First Battle of Anchorage was the first battle America fought in, as Soviet troops quickly begun to take the city, and on June 30th Anchorage would fall. However quickly after on July 4th, The Second Battle of Anchorage would commence, as American forces would retake the city on July 20th, throwing Russian forces out of Alaska in September.
Soon after American forces would begin the Three Front Offensive, baiting French troops into believing a Normandy landing was to occur, when instead they would land troops at Dunkirk. Within Ten months much of the Benelux would be retaken. American troops would also begin to fight in the Italian Front, alongside the men of Mussolini, one of the newer members of the Allies. Fighting quickly they would advance to Milan by March, 1944.
In the East however (or west, depending upon how you see it) The American landing in Siberia would open up the Siberian Front, as many American troops would pour into the region, discovering the Gulag's. In them they would find many men and women who were forced to work the camps, in horrid freezing conditions. Gebhard Ludwig Himmler, who's brother Heinrich was killed in the Gulag would write the book Mein Familie, detailing his and his brother's treatment in the Gulag and their deaths, the story ending in only he and his neice Gudrun's survival.
In 1947 the Allies would retake much of Germany and France, learning of the despicable actions of the Communists in the country side. However a different scene would await them in Berlin. During the war French forces would capture Albert Einstein, a nuclear Physicist in the study of Nuclear Physics. The French would force him, under threat of his families death to produce the Grande bombe, a 23 KT Atomic Bomb that would be housed in Berlin. Plans were to use the bomb on London, however after the encroaching forces reached Berlin it was decided to use it on Berlin. Less than 1000 hundred feet from the Brandenburg Gate, the Grande bombe was detonated, and Berlin was destroyed.
Less than a week later, three nuclear detonations would occur in the cities of Leningrad, Moscow, and Trotskygrad.
The Nuclear Reprisal by the United States was swiftly suggested by Douglas MacArthur and initiated by President Truman. The loss of life was catastrophic, yet it ended the War, as the French had been occupied by the Allies and the Soviet's lost nearly all of their leadership. In 1947 the Second Great War would end, and the world would forever change.
However Germany would land steadfast as it quickly rebuilt. The Country was ran out of the city of Neu-Berlin, south east of Berlin for the time being, as the city itself had structural damage was to great. Although the city itself has seen a resurgence, and plans are already being made to by 1983 transfer back to the city of Berlin as the Administrative Capital of Germany.
Although the Reichstag is not to meet until next year in 1984, the primary votes for the first Reichstag meeting are the Unification with Austria Proposed by Jean-Marie Hitler of Straßburg and President Rudolf Kirchschläger of Austria, The Autobahn Act proposed by Albert Speer and the Monarchy Proposal, the seventh attempt in the last decade by the DVP to reinstate the Monarchy.
I blznked that his scenario was supposed to be in 1962, yeah everything I said was based on the Soviets at their zenith so doesn't apply to his scenario per se lol
The current year is 2024 on the map as the challenge stipulated that a descendant of Napoleon Bonaparte be ruling France today.
The map is meant to represent 2024. Hapsburg, or, properly, Tuscany-Este Italy, has mediatized dukes and whatnot in the legislature and drawing pensions. Charles Felix of Sardinia gets pressured into having Francis V of Modena named has his successor and also picks up Parma at the Congress of Vienna in this timeline. The dispossessed Parma dynasts end up in Peru in this timeline. Murat/his son Achille holds out in Naples until warring with the Hapsburgs over their consolidation of northern Italy and loses, being left only with Elbe, which never goes to Napoleon ITTL due to his demise. The kin of Danish royals hold the Norwegian and Icelandic thrones. I've gone back and forth on Nassau's exact fate, but ultimately decided that its claim to Luxembourg is mooted when the Duchy itself is inherited by a woman, as would have happened in OTL had Prussia not annexed it. The Hessians are left to pick their battles as the roads linking the western portion of Prussia to the east run through their lands and, unlike Hanover (which inherits Brunswick), they lack the patronage of a great power.
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My attempt at a modern map for A Shift in Priorities, the OG Central Powers victory AH.
All credit to Rast for writing the timeline. Any mistakes are mine.
All credit to Rast for writing the timeline. Any mistakes are mine.
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The Reorganised United States - Shoshone
This is based on a thread of @erictom333's where he is reorganising the subdivisions of every country in the world. I plan on doing a map for every new state of the US.
Many thanks to Redditor u/QuantumEcho for the flag.
You're a hero for putting together a map of his TL! Post it in his current thread, too, I think it will prove popular there, tooMy attempt at a modern map for A Shift in Priorities, the OG Central Powers victory AH.
All credit to Rast for writing the timeline. Any mistakes are mine.
Alright so, these are some relevant excerpts from my unfinished Fallout map from a year ago, with some edits in order for it to make basic sense of the topic that we are discussing, that said, it is useful to mention some important things:
- Despite me intending to make a Fallout map, a retro-futuristic alternate history sci-fi world where it is heavily implied that the entire planet earth was nuked, I nonetheless stuck to my predisposal to make something be as realistic as possible, so I based the this map solely from real-life sources, therefore, I based Eurasia off the declassified list of the 1956 US nuclear war plans against the Warsaw Pact, China, and North Korea, and put the maximum amount of nuclear strikes that a WorldA map in its small size can handle
- As you might already have guessed, the blue color is for American nukes, the red color is for Soviet nukes, I was not able to find information about the inevitable British and French nuclear reprisals against the Soviet Union.
- I do not update this map in over a year, so it very well might contain errors or otherwise incorrect information.
- Since we are talking about the year of 1956, this WorldA will very well fit your 1962 Cuban Missile War timeline, but it may or may not fit later post-1960s nuclear war timelines, like how I previously mentioned, the US removed China from their nuclear target list in 1981, and even before that the US was already a de-facto ally of the PRC as late as the late 1960s during the peak of the Sino-Soviet Split, and in 1956 the US also did not intended to nuke Belgorod Oblast nor Tuva for some reason, so again, the strike plans by the 1980s and to the present-day have likely changed given the new military and naval bases that were built in that meantime, as well as cities growing larger and more important, but these obviously remain classified information.
- I based the map of the supposed Soviet/Russian nuclear strike sites in the United States from this article on CBS which includes a now-famous map, which uses data from FEMA and the National Resources Defense Council, however, it is important to note that this map probably dates to after the 1960s, so therefore, the US strike centers in this map likely are likely anachronistic, who knows what the Soviet strike plans on the US were back in 1962.
- I was not able to find comprehensive maps that detail the Soviet nuclear strikes intended to hit Alaska, Hawaii, and Western Europe (except for the UK).
- Given that I have not worked on this map for over a year, I forgot the sources where I exactly based the Soviet strikes on the UK from, but I am almost sure got the UK from the list of the 106 cities and military installations that were the most likely to be nuked by the Soviet Union during the Cold War
- Since this is the year of 1962 that we are talking about, I have not included India, Pakistan, and Israel on the list, since the first two did not had nuclear weapons back then, and the latter would only have deliverable nuclear weapons in very limited numbers in 1966.
- I will have to repeat again, the only nuclear strikes that are lacking in this map are Western Europe, Japan, and presumably South Korea, but other than that, there were no intentions from any faction in the Cold War to nuke anywhere else such as Latin America, Africa (perhaps only if Israel nukes Egypt), Southeast Asia, and Oceania, the closest that you can find about this are extremely vague "a friend of my friend told me" mentions of US bases in Australia being hit - again, military and/or naval bases, not civilian cities. This "literally the ENTIRE world would be nuked from Patagonia to New Zealand! " myth needs to end.
- Fun fact: Talking about "trust me bro" sources, the mentions of US military installations in the Philippines and Australia being likely to be hit by low-yield Soviet nukes come from this very forum!, I do not remember the exact threads, but an Australian user in here who served in the Australian Defense Forces in the 1980s, said that during a class session, his superior said that even back then in the peak of the Cold War, Australian cities were very unlikely to be hit by Soviet nukes, and if it was, the places that would be nuked were likely to be remote military installations instead of populated areas, hit with low-yield nukes bear in mind.
- Another AH forum user linked a Facebook page which had some sort of interview with a former Filipino general(?), who said that during the Cold War, the only fears of nuclear strikes that the Philippines had were of, again - US military installations (presumably in Luzon), and not civilian cities.
- I would really appreciate if you guys knew about the threads and users that I am talking about above!
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Now that you made me remember, I will have to apologize and fix some of these mistakes because all of these regions were indeed intended to be nuked by the Soviets, this was my mistake, because it has been a year that I do not update this map, and also because it is quite difficult to convert this map onto WorldA:
Crosspost from the MotF All Stars Invitational:
Scripts of Borea
The megacontinent of Borea[1], home to many of the world's most important civilisations, is understandably rich in writing systems, differing in type, writing direction, and aesthetic.
[2] Siberia and Central Asia
[3] Middle East
[4] Southeast Asia
[5] East Asia
[6] Zhuang
[7] Bopomofo
[8] southern China
Scripts of Borea
The megacontinent of Borea[1], home to many of the world's most important civilisations, is understandably rich in writing systems, differing in type, writing direction, and aesthetic.
- Europe is dominated by alphabets (where each glyph represents a single sound), descended from Greek and written left to right, such as Latin, Cyrillic, Greek, and Gothic.
- Tartary[2] uses a mix of alphabets (such as Tatar), abjads (such as Yugur), and abugidas (such as Phags-Pa). Some of these scripts, including Mongolian and Phags-Pa, are written from vertically from top to bottom instead of horizontally.
- Asia[3] primarily uses abjads (where each glyph represents a consonant, and vowels are not written), descended from Phoenician and usually written right to left, such as Arabic, Hebrew and Syraic. Many of these use optional diacritics called maitres lectiones to indicate vowels.
- India predominately uses abugidas (where consonants are written as glyphs which have an inherent vowel, usually 'a', and diacritics are used to mark different vowels or a lack of a vowel), descended from the Brahmi script, such as Devanagari, Bengali, Tibetan, and Tamil.
- Chryse[4] and Indonesia also use Brahmi-derived abugidas. As many of Chryse's languges are tonal, many of its alphabets indicate tones through diacritics, such as Burmese and Khmer, or through differently toned letters, such as Thai and Lao.
- Serica[5] traditionally uses ideographs (where each glyph represents a concept or idea, and has a set pronunciation) for its languages, such as Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, and Xaunese[6]. However, the large number and complexity of Seric ideographs has prompted the adoption of alternative, more phonetic scripts to replace or complement them, such as the alphabetic Cu'in[7] for the various languages of Mangi[8], the syllabic Hiragana and Katakana for Japanese and Hangul for Korean, and the Brahmic abugida Tai Viet for Vietnamese.
[2] Siberia and Central Asia
[3] Middle East
[4] Southeast Asia
[5] East Asia
[6] Zhuang
[7] Bopomofo
[8] southern China
Never did I claim every place everywhere was guaranteed to be nuked by the Soviets, so, I don't know why you bring that up as a point to criticize. I also don't know anything about the Philippines and where it could get nuked and wasn't the person who brought that up. I also stated to you directly that my hypothesizing was based on me missing the year he stated the map was meant to depict and apologized for getting carried away with the extent of possible targets because I knew then that I had made that mistake.
So, yeah, I'm not sure why you're quoting me.
OK, with that much information presented, I really feel like wanting to start over again because I my understanding of this subject is surface level.
But I mean, arent you doing a Zelda/Adventure Time fandom AU thing?, why do you insist in following real-life nuclear plans then?