I think the issue though is that the borders would probably be different in this scenario. Using Germany as an example, I don't think the DNVP's territorial goals were the same as that of the Nazis, particularly surrounding eastern expansion.
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I understand that. The map itself is not meant to be that serious though (I have doubts about whether a non-Nazi Germany would even start a Second World War.), so take the borders with a grain of salt.
Fair enough, and it is an interesting scenario. I would argue that a DNVP-led Germany would probably still start a new war since they still would have wanted to upend the European order established at Versailles. They'll likely at least still pursue the Rhineland, Austria, the Sudetenland, and Danzig, and depending on how things work out they may also even try for Alsace-Lorraine in the name of German irredentism. But they probably don't go as far as the Nazis did, and even if they go further east against the Soviets they're much more likely to establish allied states a la Brest-Litovsk rather than German-led Reichskommissariats.
That's true, and note that those states in the east are meant to be puppet monarchies (with local nobles or Hohenzollern/Habsburg cadet branches in charge), I've just used the borders of the Reichskmmissariats. You can assume the same for the Italian and Japanese puppets too.
I’ve tried to reconstruct what TTL’s Empire looked like at its height using B_Munro’s map as a base, all credit due to him for the original map.
The color key below is as follows - Blue: direct Napoleonic, light teal: European clients and their colonies, dark teal: non european clients. I do say even without central africa or the protectorates, that is one big empire especially in the middle east and se asia
@B_Munro is that accurate?
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The State of Eritrea (red) is the most populous of the survivor states, organized around the industrial cities of Asmara and Massawa and the railway that connects them. The government, totalitarian even before The Transport, used the crisis as an opportunity to create a total-control society. The average Eritrean, man or woman, farmer or factory-worker, sleeps in a state-run barrack, works from dusk to dawn in a state-owned factory or collective farm and is fed state-provided rations. The government, equal parts socialist and ultra-nationalist (the Tigrinya people making up the overwhelming majority of the population) maintains itself through a cadre of People's Militia enforcers, a massive spy network and constant bombardment of propaganda through the surviving printing and radio system. The chief 'pull' factor for the average Eritrean (which is to say, reasons not to run away if given the chance) is the steady food supply, as Eritrea's agricultural base and its industrial trade goods result in a well-fed population, being the only part of the world where malnutrition and hunger-related diseases aren't a major killer. The government also provides some measure of 'bread and circuses', with the little off-time of the average 'public servant' being occupied with football and sorghum beer. While the nomadic peoples of the surrounding wilderness universally distrust and hate the Eritreans, most either having escaped themselves or been born to those who had, Asmara's monopoly on many valuable products--plastics, cement and rudimentary electronics--is enough incentive for many to trade with them. Eritrean industry has also trapped it in a paradoxical relationship with its southern neighbor...
Government: Totalitarian socialist state
Leader: Woldeab Isaias (president)
Population: ~1.2 million
Ethnicities: Tigrinya, Tigre, Kunamo, Saho, Bilen
Industrial goods: plastics (PVC), cement, electonics (batteries, wire, transistors), glass, textiles, raw metals (gold, iron, copper)
The Emirate of Assab (dark green) was founded by the Emirati garrison of Assab, which survived the Transport with several thousand soldiers and a plethora of small arms, aircraft and armored vehicles. After refused orders from Asmara to lay down their arms, the Assabis quickly secured the nearby oil refinery, saltworks and railhead and declaring a government under the ranking general, establishing a state that lasts (uneasily) to the present. The Emiratis (as well as Rashaida Arabs and Italo-Eritreans fleeing Eritrean scapegoating, and Yemeni fishermen caught in Eritrean waters) quickly established themselves as a ruling class over the native Afars, preserving their status by implementing a brutal police state where Afars (who outnumbered the Arabs by 4:1) were forced into walled ghettos and slave labor in state-run mines and fishing centers, with some later being transported to Yemen to work on grain plantations. To maintain the status quo, the Assabi Arabs are effectively an army with a state, spending most of their lives training or 'on patrol' in the ghettos or the wide expanse of southern desert. The Emirate's monopoly on oil has allowed it to create a strange cohabitation with the Eritreans, selling oil north in exchange for plastics and electronic components to maintain the refineries and the high-tech weapon systems that keep Arab rule alive. However, the two states despise each other--the Eritreans see the Assabis as fascist invaders, and the Assabis suspect the Eritreans of arming Afar paramilitaries--and are engaged in constant fighting in the Danakil Depression along their shared border, where thirst and heatstroke kill even more than constant Eritrean human waves into Assabi machine-gun fire. The Danakil's supply of potash, sulfur and nitrogen dioxide--fertilizer and feeder components for smokeless powder, respectively--make it strategically vital for both sides, with the Assabis having even constructed a crude railway to supply the front lines. However, with the Eritrean Army handicapped by political concerns and the Emirati Army far superior but too small to turn the tide, there seems to be no end to the fighting.
Government: Apartheid military dictatorship
Leader: Ali Isa II (emir)
Population: ~400k
Ethnicities: Arab (Emirati, Rashaida), Afar, Saho
Major goods: oil, chemical salts, khat
The Kingdom of Axum (light green) was formed more by accident than anything else. During the period of starvation and political terror after the Transport, tens of thousands of people poured south into the Highlands. Many of these escapees--mostly Tigrayans--coalesced in the region around Lake Tana, where the land was fertile and beyond most Eritrean air patrols, developing an agricultural society centered on the decrees of the self-proclaimed 'Patriarch of the Orthodox Tewahedo Church'. However, these eventually attracted the attention of the Eritrean government, which landed a small invasion force via helicopter, toppled the patriarchate and established a new province. With twin goals of limiting further refugee movements and enforcing state ideology, a permanent garrison of several thousand men was established, as well as a small hydroelectric dam and textile mill on the Blue Nile, all intended to integrate the region into Eritrea. However, with hundreds of kilometers of rough country between them and transport only possible by helicopter, this situation could not last. Six years after the invasion, the Eritrean commander declared that Christ had visited him in a dream and commanded him to create a Christian kingdom; he was backed by the locals and most of the garrison, swiftly defeating the loyalists and consolidating power. After a series of air raids, Asmara decided that the Assabis were more deserving of their limited munitions supply and turned their attentions elsewhere, leaving the self-proclaimed Kingdom of Axum (which does not actually control Axum, but instead !Bahir Dar and its surroundings) in prosperous isolation. In the years since Axum has trundled along, easing many of the burdens on its subjects but collecting tax in the form of cotton, which is turned into clothes and textiles for export to the surrounding nomads, increasing influence and bringing in animal products in exchange. However, with no access to metal and only distant trading contact with the Assabis, the dam and factory which have sustained Axum so far have begun to rust away, raising questions about the kingdom's long-term stability. Some have suggested the construction of another dam, at the site of what once was the Grand Renaissance Dam, to allow for more mining
Government: Theocratic monarchy
Leader: Kwastantinos II
Population: ~250k
Ethnicities: Tigrinya, Kunama
Major goods: textiles, ceramics
If I can get around to it, I might expand this to the surrounding regions. Highlights:
- Beja farmer-herder clans of the Sudan
- Afar nomads hiding out beyond Assabi drone range, planning
- Pirates of the Pearl Islands
- Sharifate Two, post-apocalyptic boogaloo
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I'll have to check to see what I told you earlier, but for one thing the borders in Eastern Europe were different: see the small side map showing the extinction of Ruthenia.
Was reading the Shonen/food porn Manga Toriko, and I ran into a map that emphasizes the weirdness of the setting: the world we know is somehow surrounded by a vastly larger one filled with strange creatures and monsters (many of which are really great eatin'). I would suspect a duplication and placement of Earth on a megastructure like a Ringworld or an Alderson Disk as in Charles Stross's "Missile Gap", but sunrise and sunset seems to take place normally.
Hunter X Hunter has the same concept too, just with jumbled-up Earth continents near a monumentally larger Dark Continent full of things that can kill you in cruel and unusual ways. Well, more things that can kill you in cruel and unusual ways.
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Not sure if they would go for Austria and the Sudetenland.
Those are Catholic lands which would also bring it into collision course with Italy (Austria that is), while Sudetenland without Austria simply doesn't make sense.
Although part of the German Italian pact was Hitler's personal fondness of Mussolini, I still think a DNVP ruled Germany would be more interested in the former Imperial lands, breaking France and establishing it's order in eastern Europe.
Second that first statement. I see so many alternate histories (Mostly WW1) in which a stronger Germany owns Austria , and not much is said about the religious and cultural disputes. Nothing against OP , I just thought I'd get it out now as it was convenient.
You mean this?
Indeed.
The 20th century certainly allowed... weird people to become powerful head of states.
Not often you see the British occupying all of Norway’s islands. Nice touch. I suspect the Germany would be likely to stay with China instead of Japan in this world, just a hunch, and I do wonder how the Japanese managed to be so successful. If the Germans are not Nazis they probably wouldn’t have outraged the Americans enough with their defaulting on the loads the Americans gave to Germany which both repaid most reparations and rebuilt their industry, of their actions against Jews, rotary clubs, etc. Less likely the Americans feel the need to work against the Germans in the Atlantic (though I suppose many people didn’t believe the propaganda against the Germans anyways), and they would give full focus upon the Japanese who attacked everyone they shared maritime borders with. Wait a second, blueish outline around the Channel Islands? I won’t lie, there are some oddities with the choices of small border changes here and there, but if you ever make a sequel or just write a paragraph with your ideas or a small explanation if can really add to the atmosphere. Hmmm, this makes me wonder if a Habsburg could be put in Budapest in this world, since they no longer need the excuse of the Romanians, Yugoslavs, and Czechoslovaks invading if they restored the monarchy, I doubt the Germans would push it though, Hindenburg and his successors wouldn’t want people to say they needed a Kaiser again. Would you say the people in areas annexed by Italy, Spain, Germany, and Belgium stuck around as the local groups were acceptable enough to be turned into the nationality of the annexers, or would theyball be moved to France or Algeria? And my my, the Arabs are going to be hating the Turks, Germans, and Italians. So many fun things, hidden about.
The world in the year 1955, in a timeline where the Axis is way more successful than OTL, but the Axis aren't Nazis/fascists ITTL, just generic right-wing/authoritarian monarchist regimes.
The Germans are still allied with the Japanese ITTL (Its still the OTL Axis, I just made them not be Nazis/fascists.). A rather more sane Japanese regime in Tokyo means they never attacked the USA, only the European colonies in SE Asia, so the US never gets involved except for sanctions. They may do so in the future, but that remains to be seen. The Channel Islands were occupied by Germany IOTL. ITTL the German-British Armistice of 1944 resulted in their formal annexation into the Kingdom of France. The Germans already have a Kaiser, they are an authoritarian monarchist regime. There is indeed a Habsburg in Budapest. The same Habsburg (Otto) is also in Vienna, Prague, and Bratislava. He was first restored in Austria due to the influence of the other restored South German monarchs, then his own popularity and influence in Berlin (including his friendship with Prince Louis Ferdinand) secured him the other thrones (although not the Sudetenland). In general, you can assume that Germany, Italy, Japan, and the countries in their sphere are authritarian monarchist/more moderate far-right regimes (think Franco in Spain). In Western Europe and the Western Balkans, you can assume the puppet monarchs are local royalty (e.g. Wilhelmina, Leopold III, Juan III of Spain in France). In Eastern Europe, they would be cadet branches of German and Italian royalty (e.g. Wettins in Poland and Lithuania, Austrian Habsburgs in Ukraine). In East Asia, they would be local royalty (e.g. Indochina, Burma, Sarawak) or cadet branches of the Yamato or Chakri dynasties (e.g. Bengal, Indonesia, Papua), with the exception of China itself, which is in personal union with Japan, with the collaborationist regime claiming the Mandate of Heaven for Hirohito and the Yamato dynasty. As for the people in the territories directly annexed, Germany and Italy pursue a policy of tolerance and economic integration, while Japan and the smaller Axis allies (e.g. Bulgaria, Thailand, Rumania) follow a policy of peaceful assimilation (i.e. through economic incentives and education, not at gunpoint or through overt force of arms). In general, all of the Axis members ITTL attempt to maintain an image of benevolence among all the conquered peoples. Italy also rectuits their conquered peoples and other Catholics as settlers for their new colonies, where they would form the privileged European upper class. The Arabs are indeed quite angry, and Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Oman, the only independent Arab countries left are certainly incredibly pro-Allied ITTL.
I'm curious here. What mangas have you read/liked. Like, I wanna see what gets the Bruce stamp of approval or at least "it's okay/worth a shot" since you've got good taste 95% of the time.
The 5% of the time you're wrong isn't MLP, it's other stuff. I find ponies funny
Various nation states and provinces that at one time or another had been, or had attempted to be autonomous and independent from Brazil, as well as potential coalitions and confederations between them should they have gotten autonomous and independent based on proximity and regional connections between them.
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