Map Thread XXI
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Even HeX's TL had a (planned) big Greece. It was confirmed that AMPU Greece would've had Constantinople and a good portion of Eastern Anatolia
Yeah but that's a regrettable part of a timeline I'm not super proud of anymore, made in a time when I didn't know as much about history as I do now. The IRL Greek plan to invade and conquer large portions of Turkey would have led to massive amounts of genocide and cultural/religious extermination, like the Armenian Genocide but with the Turks on the recieving end.
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The Kingdom of Tibet in 1995, by Xlicer
The Kingdom of the Clouds - The Kingdom of Tibet as of the year 1995
Following a successful Tibetan victory in the Tibetan revolt and Indian victory in the second Sino-Indian war
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Hi, I made the map as a part of an speedrunning challenge this entire week, couldn't polish it enough for the deadline since I have to travel tomorrow, so my apologices in advance if it looks a bit ugly.
The lore is that around the late 70s/early 80s there was a huge Tibetan revolt on the area between the basin of the Indus and Ganges rivers (and also other parts of Tibet), that revolt ended up escalating into a full blown war between India and China the moment the Indians decided to intervened (Pakistan was also drag in to the war), resulting in a decisive Indian victory on the war. One of the peace deals of the war was an small but free Tibet centered in the basins of the Ganges and Indus river so China couldn't bully India anymore with water. Also as a butterfly effect, the Soviets ended up winning the Soviet-Afgan war as a result of Indian support and better supplied, Mikhail Gorbachov reforms also succeeded turning the union into an Union of Sovereign Republics.
Hope you all enjoy it. Also special shoutouts to /u/hamzak8 /NW#1206 Connected Pakistan as it was an inspiration for this map.
Also as a bonus, since I'm getting a new job next week, I'm going to cut a bit on my mapmaking hobby so here are a few wip teasers on what I been working on this pasts months. (I will credit all the source material when they are done)
Following a successful Tibetan victory in the Tibetan revolt and Indian victory in the second Sino-Indian war
Deviantart Link
Hi, I made the map as a part of an speedrunning challenge this entire week, couldn't polish it enough for the deadline since I have to travel tomorrow, so my apologices in advance if it looks a bit ugly.
The lore is that around the late 70s/early 80s there was a huge Tibetan revolt on the area between the basin of the Indus and Ganges rivers (and also other parts of Tibet), that revolt ended up escalating into a full blown war between India and China the moment the Indians decided to intervened (Pakistan was also drag in to the war), resulting in a decisive Indian victory on the war. One of the peace deals of the war was an small but free Tibet centered in the basins of the Ganges and Indus river so China couldn't bully India anymore with water. Also as a butterfly effect, the Soviets ended up winning the Soviet-Afgan war as a result of Indian support and better supplied, Mikhail Gorbachov reforms also succeeded turning the union into an Union of Sovereign Republics.
Hope you all enjoy it. Also special shoutouts to /u/hamzak8 /NW#1206 Connected Pakistan as it was an inspiration for this map.
Also as a bonus, since I'm getting a new job next week, I'm going to cut a bit on my mapmaking hobby so here are a few wip teasers on what I been working on this pasts months. (I will credit all the source material when they are done)
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Not one of mine, belongs to @Admiral A. Kolchak who was talking about the 1914 period at the time
I'm sceptical of how a bigger US equals a more perfect world.
Really, whether a world is good or bad is difficult to interpret from geography alone. A surviving Weimar Germany beats OTL but a Germany with Weimar borders (and likely including Austria) looks a bit Germany-wank sans context.
My objections come from more political standpoints - forcing more people to endure the tipping culture, lack of welfare, hardcore partisan politics, protection of Far Right militia groups, mass shootings, and so on. I'm not some tankie, but I'm no fan of the USA.
Who's saying that TTL America is exactly like OTL America in every way? For all we know, TTL's America could be a socialist paradise
Thank you.
Neither Google nor Wikipedia gives me anything about the Koshut still being around (under that name) in 1914, is the map ATL rather than OTL?
Well, it was, judging by this site's demographics, likely made by an American.
And nationalism is one hell of a drug.
Author's note: I am not trying to wank any one country. America owns the entire Rio Grande valley due to Mexican inability to govern the north at the time. My Greek Anatolia isn't the entire Megali idea (that'd involve making Turkey landlocked), just parts with large Greek population. There was no genocide or population exchanges; there are sizeable Turkish minorities in northern and Anatolian Greece, and Greek minorities in Turkey, in TTL.
I was only comparing my TL to your TL's USA, not the rest of the world.
For a start, there being more Spanish speakers results in a more bilingual and more diverse country. There was also no Trail of Tears or other Indian removals in TTL (hence the state of Cherokee in Georgia), and many parts of TTL's USA are native majority.
In TTL, there's none of that.
Exactly.
What he said, and what I was expressing with my Weimar example. (In any event, if your world is going to have Great Powers, the US OTL has been relatively benign [1], if starting to seriously curdle lately. I am highly skeptical of the notion a similarly dominant France, Russia, or China would have been any better.)
Edit: although if the US can be both big and better than OTL, not sure why you have to have so many other places fragmented/shrunken. (And with 19th century PODs, why does Germany get OTLs post-WWII border?)
[1] With respect to the world as a whole. Not benign at all from the point of view of certain minority groups within, but every European nation has plenty of skeletons of that sort in their closet, even if they often had the luxury of being able to carry out their massacres and exploitation at a nice sanitary distance overseas.
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As far as I can tell, it's called A More Perfect World because it's based on HeX's A More Perfect Union?
Lest it be said I am sniffing the nationalism cocaine, I am perfectly in agreement that the current US does not require wanking and probably isn't a country that you should buy a used car from. What does annoy me is the imputation that our current troubles somehow demonstrate the US is inherently bad. (If we consider the entire American project as fundamentally rotten from the start, what does that leave us pro-democracy Americans save nihilism or fantasies of an all-encompassing revolution which most people don't want?)
For what my opinion's worth I don't think the US is inherently bad. But neither is it inherently good either. And absent further information on the map, it's simply impossible to discern the political set-ups of the countries. The US could be a democratic socialist utopia of some sort, an authoritarian dictatorship of another, or, IMO, probably something hewing closer to OTL.
I mean, it's a map explicitly called "a more perfect world". The most visible major wank is a US that annexes even more of Mexico. As you've said, lots of countries are either shrunken or fragmented: I only really eye Portugal and Greece as other major benefactors. I suppose it could read as implying the US is inherently bad, and I can see how that is triggery - I just personally don't see it that way. I think people are just naturally skeptical.
Mind, I imagine people would be ruffling their feathers all the same, if, say, someone posted a map captioned with "a more perfect world", with no major explanation or info-dump as to why the most visible change was, say, an enlargened Russia that swallowed half of Ukraine, or a China that took Taiwan, or an India that annexed all of South Asia, etc. And with most other major countries either staying the same or shrunken.
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