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Do you mean in Eritrea and Somalia or in Italian East Africa as a whole? Because it certainly was way less than 10 percent for Italian east Africa as a whole.
The Atomic Age
Countries with atomic capabilities:
There were three conflicts in the immediate aftermath of the event:
The Ukraine war (already ongoing)
The Egyptian-Israeli war
The Pakistani civil war (and Indian intervention)
Having lost its biggest connection to the west through Poland, Ukraine was put on the back foot. Moldova also limited the border with friendly Romania (which along with Bulgaria was likewise cut off from the rest of the west). Ukraine’s other borders were guarded by real neutrals Hungary and Turkey, leaving only Slovakia as a friendly and fully open corridor for goods. This wasn’t enough.
While the loss of most neighbours put the already precarious Russian state into a years long death spiral, without aid that dried up from a distracted west Ukraine died faster.
Ukraine would end up enduring 4 years for Russian/Belarusian occupation before regaining their independence following the final collapse of the Russian Federation.
The Egyptian-Israeli war was fairly straightforward. Sparked by the disappearance of Gaza and Palestine bother sides immediately went to red alert. Egypt thought they could bully Israel when they were vulnerable, and were kind of right. Seizing what they considered a strategic imperative of a land corridor along the entire coast of the Red Sea.
With the world already in chaos there was near universal diplomatic pressure on Israel not to retaliate at scale and destabilize Egypt, risking the security of the Suez Canal.
Egypt also had the military backing of Iran and (briefly) Pakistan.
The Pakistani Civil war was a long time coming. Basically a failed state before the event, this just made a bad situation worse.
Afghani separatists in the northwest. A violent dispute over who was the prime minister. A few months after the event India made their move on Kashmir. A deal with Iran over Baluchistan preempted them offering any assistance. Pakistan fractured into four.
Bangladesh is in a Canada-USA relationship with India these days.
China has been stable but stagnant the last few decades. Population decline is a real problem.
The have moved tens of millions of people into the new provinces around the South China Sea and to East Africa, but even there undoing the demographic shift towards a single child has been a tremendous struggle.
Japan and the ROK are wealthy but in a managed decline. South Korea has reluctantly made up with Japan, while the north has fallen under ever greater Chinese influence. Both Korea’s are annoyed at being the only two countries on the earth not to have gained an inch of new territory since the event.
India is a powerhouse of nearly 2 billion. The Indian Ocean is their lake.
Early on though they had to do some compromising with China to secure a free hand in Pakistan. Hence Chinese East Africa.
South Africa is chilling. The flood of new land available went a long way to ease worries about a few white farmers owning too much of it.
Argentina controls the whole southern cone, not much to say about them.
Brazil is a big deal. Stretching from sea to sea and with a pretty big chunk of Africa to boot.
Mexico got back the land of the countries that were their former provinces in Central America. Not Panama though
Canada picked up Greenland and Svalbard (+Jan Mayen) following the event, and Wrangle island off the Russian corpse later following a northern expansion strategy. St Pierre and Miquelon joined Quebec in a surprise referendum result when they refused EU integration. These islands have for the most part been economically useless however as the event caused atmospheric CO2 and average temperatures to drop back to nearly preindustrial levels. They have risen again only somewhat since then and it means the Northwest passage has remained frozen every year since the event.
Greenland has a small civilian population of a few thousand Inuit who migrated there from Nunavut, otherwise there are only a few dozen weather stations and a couple small military harbours for the Canadian Navy.
The US has 4 states on mainland south-central America, in addition to 5 more in the Antilles island chain. The Guyana territory and several lesser Antilles islands have become home to massive orbital launch complexes that have enabled American victory in the new space race and ultimately landed people on Mars.
America also dominates the Pacific. They split Australia with India, and the have the largest slice of Africa with several states around the Gold Coast.
The weird US state boundaries are an artifact of the second American civil war in the early 2030’s. I don’t want to get into it but it was messy. Many would say Taiwan was the real loser of the American Civil war though…
The UK never looked back at Europe. They ditched their remaining far flung territories and have refocused as an Atlantic maritime nation. After somewhat controversially reincorporating the whole island of Ireland following the event they also picked up Iceland and the Faroe’s (legally part of Scotland), and the Azores islands, which along with Bermuda, the Falklands, St Helena and Ascension island, the Chanel Islands, and the Isle of Mann (did I miss any?) were all incorporated directly into the UK.
France has surpassed Germany as the most populous in the EU. Mostly because of higher birthrates. All that land has helped out, there are nearly 30 million living in French North Africa these days, and a few million more scattered through the other overseas provinces like New Caledonia, Madagascar, and Guiana.
Italy and Spain round out the Big Four™. The other 9 members of the EU aren’t really relevant on their own. Most picked up some extra land, and there’s a rebuilt Poland that Germany has poured billions into propping up, because it’s honestly still mostly wilderness.
The Balkan countries left and Switzerland eventually joined. EU is tighter with Shenzhen zone, Euro, EEC membership, universal military alliance and plenty of of other things being folded in after becoming universal and exclusive to EU members. The EU parliament has grabbed a lot of power and is really playing with the boundary of becoming a single superstate.
The EU continues to practice a dispersed government and manny institutions are headquartered in Geneva, Prague, Strasbourg, or elsewhere instead of Brussels. Sweden and Finland in the north both have a lot of empty land and have almost miraculously managed to bring their birthrates up to around 3 children per woman through heavy social spending.
Romania would love to rejoin the EU but neither Bulgaria nor Hungary is keen so it leaves them impractically isolated. Plus the EU isn’t really looking for new members these days, even former ones on good terms.
Turkey is happy to have Greece and the Aegean back under the flag. Her propaganda is getting a little too Ottoman for Bulgaria’s comfort these days though.
Egypt even happier to control Mecca and Median, all the Red Sea coast, and most of the Nile river headwaters. Rebuilding the Holy cities has been a controversial process to say the least though
Iran and the UAE expanded and are pretty comfortable.
Armenia is pissed to still be landlocked.
There are three main Russian successors that retained nuclear weapons capabilities. The Petrograd republic, which is a bit western looking but n kind of a throwback to early 2000’s Russia before the rise of Vladimir Putin. Siberia which is nearly a Chinese puppet and trades almost entirely with them. And rump Russia itself, now a central state but with significant ethnic autonomies. Along with 5 other periphery regions that broke away.
NATO disbanded after the Russian collapse and the second American civil war when the EU decided it was to to go their own way again.
America has had a hard time accepting that such large area’s of the world are just none of her fu*king business anymore, and indeed disagreement with US meddling in former Russia is part of what pushed Europe to break ties.
In general this world is quite stable, and there hasn’t been a significant international conflict since the first decade following the event (as of 2070).
With only 4 countries ISOT having above replacement fertility demographic decline was destined to become a problem. Several other countries however (most significantly India) still had a fast growing population for other reasons.
Efforts since the event to achieve population growth (or at least halt decline) have been moderately successful with most countries having returned to around replacement fertility. These efforts have cost hundreds of billions and faced great difficulty however. The real winning strategy for fast population growth seems to be to ship young people off to live on the frontier with a lack of non-essential modern technologies (or birth control) then they tend to start families rather quickly.
Because of this effect the “new territory” areas of most countries tend to account for significantly larger fractions of the population than most older estimates would have suggested. Of course kids from there grow up, and some of them move back to the cities where some of their lines die out, but many more stay.
Map of the world in 2070:
- Nuclear weapons on their territory
- Nuclear power plants operating or under construction
There were three conflicts in the immediate aftermath of the event:
The Ukraine war (already ongoing)
The Egyptian-Israeli war
The Pakistani civil war (and Indian intervention)
Having lost its biggest connection to the west through Poland, Ukraine was put on the back foot. Moldova also limited the border with friendly Romania (which along with Bulgaria was likewise cut off from the rest of the west). Ukraine’s other borders were guarded by real neutrals Hungary and Turkey, leaving only Slovakia as a friendly and fully open corridor for goods. This wasn’t enough.
While the loss of most neighbours put the already precarious Russian state into a years long death spiral, without aid that dried up from a distracted west Ukraine died faster.
Ukraine would end up enduring 4 years for Russian/Belarusian occupation before regaining their independence following the final collapse of the Russian Federation.
The Egyptian-Israeli war was fairly straightforward. Sparked by the disappearance of Gaza and Palestine bother sides immediately went to red alert. Egypt thought they could bully Israel when they were vulnerable, and were kind of right. Seizing what they considered a strategic imperative of a land corridor along the entire coast of the Red Sea.
With the world already in chaos there was near universal diplomatic pressure on Israel not to retaliate at scale and destabilize Egypt, risking the security of the Suez Canal.
Egypt also had the military backing of Iran and (briefly) Pakistan.
The Pakistani Civil war was a long time coming. Basically a failed state before the event, this just made a bad situation worse.
Afghani separatists in the northwest. A violent dispute over who was the prime minister. A few months after the event India made their move on Kashmir. A deal with Iran over Baluchistan preempted them offering any assistance. Pakistan fractured into four.
Bangladesh is in a Canada-USA relationship with India these days.
China has been stable but stagnant the last few decades. Population decline is a real problem.
The have moved tens of millions of people into the new provinces around the South China Sea and to East Africa, but even there undoing the demographic shift towards a single child has been a tremendous struggle.
Japan and the ROK are wealthy but in a managed decline. South Korea has reluctantly made up with Japan, while the north has fallen under ever greater Chinese influence. Both Korea’s are annoyed at being the only two countries on the earth not to have gained an inch of new territory since the event.
India is a powerhouse of nearly 2 billion. The Indian Ocean is their lake.
Early on though they had to do some compromising with China to secure a free hand in Pakistan. Hence Chinese East Africa.
South Africa is chilling. The flood of new land available went a long way to ease worries about a few white farmers owning too much of it.
Argentina controls the whole southern cone, not much to say about them.
Brazil is a big deal. Stretching from sea to sea and with a pretty big chunk of Africa to boot.
Mexico got back the land of the countries that were their former provinces in Central America. Not Panama though
Canada picked up Greenland and Svalbard (+Jan Mayen) following the event, and Wrangle island off the Russian corpse later following a northern expansion strategy. St Pierre and Miquelon joined Quebec in a surprise referendum result when they refused EU integration. These islands have for the most part been economically useless however as the event caused atmospheric CO2 and average temperatures to drop back to nearly preindustrial levels. They have risen again only somewhat since then and it means the Northwest passage has remained frozen every year since the event.
Greenland has a small civilian population of a few thousand Inuit who migrated there from Nunavut, otherwise there are only a few dozen weather stations and a couple small military harbours for the Canadian Navy.
The US has 4 states on mainland south-central America, in addition to 5 more in the Antilles island chain. The Guyana territory and several lesser Antilles islands have become home to massive orbital launch complexes that have enabled American victory in the new space race and ultimately landed people on Mars.
America also dominates the Pacific. They split Australia with India, and the have the largest slice of Africa with several states around the Gold Coast.
The weird US state boundaries are an artifact of the second American civil war in the early 2030’s. I don’t want to get into it but it was messy. Many would say Taiwan was the real loser of the American Civil war though…
The UK never looked back at Europe. They ditched their remaining far flung territories and have refocused as an Atlantic maritime nation. After somewhat controversially reincorporating the whole island of Ireland following the event they also picked up Iceland and the Faroe’s (legally part of Scotland), and the Azores islands, which along with Bermuda, the Falklands, St Helena and Ascension island, the Chanel Islands, and the Isle of Mann (did I miss any?) were all incorporated directly into the UK.
France has surpassed Germany as the most populous in the EU. Mostly because of higher birthrates. All that land has helped out, there are nearly 30 million living in French North Africa these days, and a few million more scattered through the other overseas provinces like New Caledonia, Madagascar, and Guiana.
Italy and Spain round out the Big Four™. The other 9 members of the EU aren’t really relevant on their own. Most picked up some extra land, and there’s a rebuilt Poland that Germany has poured billions into propping up, because it’s honestly still mostly wilderness.
The Balkan countries left and Switzerland eventually joined. EU is tighter with Shenzhen zone, Euro, EEC membership, universal military alliance and plenty of of other things being folded in after becoming universal and exclusive to EU members. The EU parliament has grabbed a lot of power and is really playing with the boundary of becoming a single superstate.
The EU continues to practice a dispersed government and manny institutions are headquartered in Geneva, Prague, Strasbourg, or elsewhere instead of Brussels. Sweden and Finland in the north both have a lot of empty land and have almost miraculously managed to bring their birthrates up to around 3 children per woman through heavy social spending.
Romania would love to rejoin the EU but neither Bulgaria nor Hungary is keen so it leaves them impractically isolated. Plus the EU isn’t really looking for new members these days, even former ones on good terms.
Turkey is happy to have Greece and the Aegean back under the flag. Her propaganda is getting a little too Ottoman for Bulgaria’s comfort these days though.
Egypt even happier to control Mecca and Median, all the Red Sea coast, and most of the Nile river headwaters. Rebuilding the Holy cities has been a controversial process to say the least though
Iran and the UAE expanded and are pretty comfortable.
Armenia is pissed to still be landlocked.
There are three main Russian successors that retained nuclear weapons capabilities. The Petrograd republic, which is a bit western looking but n kind of a throwback to early 2000’s Russia before the rise of Vladimir Putin. Siberia which is nearly a Chinese puppet and trades almost entirely with them. And rump Russia itself, now a central state but with significant ethnic autonomies. Along with 5 other periphery regions that broke away.
NATO disbanded after the Russian collapse and the second American civil war when the EU decided it was to to go their own way again.
America has had a hard time accepting that such large area’s of the world are just none of her fu*king business anymore, and indeed disagreement with US meddling in former Russia is part of what pushed Europe to break ties.
In general this world is quite stable, and there hasn’t been a significant international conflict since the first decade following the event (as of 2070).
With only 4 countries ISOT having above replacement fertility demographic decline was destined to become a problem. Several other countries however (most significantly India) still had a fast growing population for other reasons.
Efforts since the event to achieve population growth (or at least halt decline) have been moderately successful with most countries having returned to around replacement fertility. These efforts have cost hundreds of billions and faced great difficulty however. The real winning strategy for fast population growth seems to be to ship young people off to live on the frontier with a lack of non-essential modern technologies (or birth control) then they tend to start families rather quickly.
Because of this effect the “new territory” areas of most countries tend to account for significantly larger fractions of the population than most older estimates would have suggested. Of course kids from there grow up, and some of them move back to the cities where some of their lines die out, but many more stay.
Map of the world in 2070:
More from my "neutral italy" timeline
National flag (based on the historical coat of arms)
Somalia is different from Eritrea because it has successfully transitioned from an Italian settler state to a national state - Somali is the national language, with Italian as an official second language. Modern Somalia is concerned with developing the interior (the Ogaden) and reconciling the dual Somali-Italian identity. It is home to many former soldiers from the East African War, meaning its army is highly professional and well-versed in anti-insurgency tactics.
National flag (based on the historical coat of arms)
Somalia is different from Eritrea because it has successfully transitioned from an Italian settler state to a national state - Somali is the national language, with Italian as an official second language. Modern Somalia is concerned with developing the interior (the Ogaden) and reconciling the dual Somali-Italian identity. It is home to many former soldiers from the East African War, meaning its army is highly professional and well-versed in anti-insurgency tactics.
Technically Australia does have a single nuclear power plant - the Lucas Heights powerplant in Sydney. It is mainly used for research and the creation of nuclear medicines but it does exist. I'm not sure if that's enough to count for your ISOT though.
A quick take on North America in "The Man in the High Castle." I always imagined the continent, and specifically the US, would end up a bit more balkanized in an Axis victory scenario, so I threw together a quick map with some divisions I thought were fun to world-build around. Not much else to it other than that!
Should have been in there. That’s an oversight based in Wikipedia lists and technicalities, not redoing it now. Oh well
Norway, Algeria, Mali, Ghana, Ethiopia, the DRC, Pakistan, Nepal, Indonesia, and possibly South Sudan have outdated subdivisions.
What is that language in Greece? South of the Bulgar speaking areas.
Just a silly map I wanted to do. Originally used the 8KBAM, but it's too large to upload so I had to reduced it from a 8192x4096 size to a 1024x512 one. Hope this doesn't affect the quality too much, even if it's not something I did seriously...
Anyway, the basic idea was to see just how many Empires I could put on the map while making it seem "believable" and not full of Space Filling Empires. This also kinda turned into "How few states can I get on the map?" As it turns out, the final number is 13.
Anyway, here are the sates on the map:
- The British Empire: Pretty much the same as OTL, except that it kept the Thriteen Colonies and owns OTL Liberia. Part of me kinda want to say it's nerfed though compared to OTL... I mean, France still has most of its First Colonial Empire here which the Brits mostly conquered OTL. Pretty sure British Canada is the most ASB part of the map...
- France's colonial empire is basically a combination of its First (pre-XIXth Century) and Second (post-XIXth Century) one. In terms of what they own on the mainland, I basically pushed on the concept of the Natural Borders by giving it control of the Rhineland. In regards to the Alpine region, I've given France control of the French-speaking cantons of Switzerland and the posessions of the House of Savoy, since it frequently intermarried with the French Royal Family. Technically they also own Parma, for no other reason that it ended up ruled by Bourbons OTL.
- Iberia's pretty easy to guess since I basically combined Castille, Aragon and Portugal's posessions.
- That big blob in Central Europe? That's basically the Hapsburgs. I've combined their domains with the HRE (imagine the Hapsburgs unifying Germany) while keeping the Netherlands and the non-French speaking part of Switzerland within that. I also gave them control over the Dutch and German colonial Empires.
- Yep, that's the Papal States in the middle of Italy. Because I couldn't see a scenario where either France, Iberia or the Hapsburgs would go for Rome without the other two being pissed... Also because not sure it's wise for any of them to mess with the Pope.
- Russia is basically at the largest extent it was OTL. Probably a bit more because I should have given parts of Ukraine and Kaliningrad to the Hapsburgs if I really pushed the details...
- United Scandinavia because that happened with the Kalmaar Union.
- The Ottomans are in control of the Balkans, the Middle East, Lybia, Egypt, Sudan and the Arabian Peninsula.
- Ethiopia owns the whole Horn of Africa. OTL they owned Erithrea at one point and I read that Menelik II had eyes on Somalia.. So I basically combined the two while also removing French and British presence in the area (and no pesky Italians to bother Ethiopia as well).
- Persia owns Iran (obviously) and Afghanistan as Persia technically is the only Empire that manage to hold on to it without trouble... The fact it's basically made of the OTL border is probably a bit ASB but Britain and Russia kinda always treated Persia as a buffer between them...
- China's borders are basically how big the Empire got OTL. Nepal and Bhutan are included as they were regarded as vassals.
- It's hard to tell but Japan here owns a lot more islands than it does OTL.
- I've kept Siam/Thaïland around because... Well it somehow managed to be one of the few states that escaped Colonialism OTL... At least sort of: they still kept losing chunks of territory to France and Britain, but ultimately the core never got colonized...
Just found out a couple days ago that our own @Tomislav Addai dabbles a bit in linguistics, on Wikipedia no less
(Nice work, btw...)
Is “kosovo” supposed to be shown here as lacking the north? Its borders look a little off.
Does anyone have a good base map of the Eastern Mediterranean with all the major rivers? Or do you know where I can find one? It’s for a map of Byzantium.
You used the same colour for Greek and Karesi Turkic in the legend.
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