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An empire of vast frozen - desert- jungle wastelands.
I don’t think Prussia should be that large. They lost all the land in western Germany they had before and during the Napoleonic Wars, but they end up with Saxony here, as well as Mecklenburg and a large chunk of Poland. Having the Wettins running Saxony and a hunk of Poland (basically Congress Poland, which only went to the Russians after the Napoleonic Wars) would give them a lot more economic sway and a stronger ally.now, what is the story with Austria? A bit surprised it is split from Bohemia in the Confederation of the Rhine. Are they both ruled by different people, possibly with a Bonaparte being married to the monarch? And does the color for Hungary/Galicia/Etc suggest they are keeping the name Empir of Austria and not becoming a Hungarian dominated state? Would actually make an interesting map on its own. Since Haiti is shown in light blue here, does it mean France never tried to reestablish slavery or did they kiss and makeup later? I see France lost even the smallest of their islands in the Americas, so the Haitians might fear the Americans more than the French. Then again, what idiots thing they can force an island filled with hundreds of thousands of armed people back into slavery?My take on if Napoleon won. He keeps naval superiority in the Mediterranean and Nelson dies earlier. Due to the Brits being in a worse position the US is able to take most of Canada. Portugal is chillin in exile in Brazil and was able tl fufil their pink map ambitions. The year of the map is 1895. Thoughts?
Was their a Weimar stage here? I would question why they would put words in a flag that had at that point only been used by revolutionaries, but I suppose if there was a Weimar they might claim it had been tainted by the bourgeoise or something. Was there a Lenin equivalent here for founding the revolutionary country or was that Goebbels? I don’t know, somehow I always see those Marx and Engels stuff having two other faces with them. Or there might be uncanny valley from them being next to someone without facial hair. Is there a different situation in the Baltic countries due to their not having extra things on their flags or with their names? And a little hard to tell, but did Germany get any land from Czechoslovakia?Germany and Einheitspakt after victory in WW2
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Ouch. French Guiana doesnt warrant even a single city being labeled. Now, did Granada seize Ecuador? I thought it and New Granada were separate members of Colombia.Another of my atlas maps:
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South America in Giant Canada World, with continental vexillology. The biggest driver of change isn't actually massive border fluctuations, though butterflies in the formative 1800s result in differences, with Paraguay most liable to come out on the losing end of things on balance. What really helps here is a United States that's not in a position to treat South America as its backyard. The continent's hardly left alone, and instability still exists, but some areas prosper - notably Argentina realizing more of its potential and Guyana grabbing oil sooner.
Argentina is undoubtedly the best place to live here, but Chile's also pretty fantastic.
Since it comes up in a couple of entries: Populism in this universe is a term used for far-right revolutionary movements akin to fascism, with an undercurrent of common people overthrowing the elites and installing authoritarian governments that supposedly "empower the commonman." Hastatism is a branchoff of populism pioneered by a group of writers called the Society of the Hastati, who promoted the idea of revolutionary citizen armies toppling democrats, elites, intellectuals and liberals and installing autocracies. You can guess where these ideologies led.
Ed.: Fixed the capital of Brazil and added the legend.
Interesting. With the language thing and not being in the British Empire, it seems like the diaspora doesn’t really happen. Does this mean a lot more Americans identity as American or English American? And did both Scotland and England never have any territory in Ireland, or were they and any settlers just driven out? Really, the Irish did well for themselves in the colonial race if they got an area called Gold Coast.![]()
The kingdom of Ireland and its (still active) colonies in 1964 (all in Africa), just before the decolonisation process.
Ireland never became a part of Great Britain or at any level anglicised. Also the great Irish potatoe famine did not occure at a scale compared to OTL.
There are also Irish-speaking (Irish-Gaelic of course) ex-colonies of Ireland on the American double-continent, which gained independence during the 19th century:
- Kibbek in North America includes the areas of OTL Quebec of 1867, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Islands, New Foundland, St. Pierre and Miquelon and Maine, as well as north of 44° North and east of 71°30' West of New Hampshire. Gained independence in 1803.
- Saint Patrick Islands in Central America includes the OTL French overseas departement of Guadeloupe and the OTL Commonwealth of Dominica. Gained independence in 1896.
- Patagonia in South America includes everything of South America south of 41°15' South, including the Falkland Islands. Gained independence in 1870.
In 1780, the Irish sold the island of St. John to the United Kingdom.
The Kingdom of Ireland was neutral in both world wars and stayed neutral during the cold war as well.
Great map, @Bob Hope . Just reposting with appended questions (soory about the use of bandwith, but it saves time not having to write "and what about that orangey sort of bit on the nose of Brazil? What's that?)
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I wonder how the colonization of China will occur TTL?
You've seen the main map, we're open to ideas posted in the WorldRaj threadI wonder how the colonization of China will occur TTL?
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The kingdom of Ireland and its (still active) colonies in 1964 (all in Africa), just before the decolonisation process.
Ireland never became a part of Great Britain or at any level anglicised. Also the great Irish potatoe famine did not occure at a scale compared to OTL.
There are also Irish-speaking (Irish-Gaelic of course) ex-colonies of Ireland on the American double-continent, which gained independence during the 19th century:
- Kibbek in North America includes the areas of OTL Quebec of 1867, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Islands, New Foundland, St. Pierre and Miquelon and Maine, as well as north of 44° North and east of 71°30' West of New Hampshire. Gained independence in 1803.
- Saint Patrick Islands in Central America includes the OTL French overseas departement of Guadeloupe and the OTL Commonwealth of Dominica. Gained independence in 1896.
- Patagonia in South America includes everything of South America south of 41°15' South, including the Falkland Islands. Gained independence in 1870.
In 1780, the Irish sold the island of St. John to the United Kingdom.
The Kingdom of Ireland was neutral in both world wars and stayed neutral during the cold war as well.
It says in the description this ireland was never became part of the UK so I don't think they had a comparable experience to OTLI wonder how Ireland would treat her colonies after being herself colonized by Great Britain for so long.
Thanks for your question! So the current story is after napoleon dies in the early 1820 almost immediately another coalition forms against France. Poland is partitioned by Russia and Prussia. The Coalition is quite successful at the start but is eventually defeated but Prussia due to its military being reorganized is able to tale much of eastern Germany. During the war France occupies all of Austria proper and is absolutely done with their betrayals so they turn it into a duchy ruled by a Bonaparte. They make Bohemia independent as well to strengthan their flank. The hapsburgs are able to hold in in the east with Russian support. Currently the Hapaburg rump state is German dominated but there is large discontent by the Hungarians making it very very fragile. Hati is interesting and not fully thought out just yet but the Hatian empire fully repulses the French and is a British Ally.I don’t think Prussia should be that large. They lost all the land in western Germany they had before and during the Napoleonic Wars, but they end up with Saxony here, as well as Mecklenburg and a large chunk of Poland. Having the Wettins running Saxony and a hunk of Poland (basically Congress Poland, which only went to the Russians after the Napoleonic Wars) would give them a lot more economic sway and a stronger ally.now, what is the story with Austria? A bit surprised it is split from Bohemia in the Confederation of the Rhine. Are they both ruled by different people, possibly with a Bonaparte being married to the monarch? And does the color for Hungary/Galicia/Etc suggest they are keeping the name Empir of Austria and not becoming a Hungarian dominated state? Would actually make an interesting map on its own. Since Haiti is shown in light blue here, does it mean France never tried to reestablish slavery or did they kiss and makeup later? I see France lost even the smallest of their islands in the Americas, so the Haitians might fear the Americans more than the French. Then again, what idiots thing they can force an island filled with hundreds of thousands of armed people back into slavery?
Austria isn’t even ranked a Grand Duchy or Archduchy? Yes, it seems the Habsburgs really pissed off Napoleon. Do any countries in the Western Hemisphere still import slaves from Africa or continue practicing slavery? Besides the Blackbirding where South Americans raided Pacific Islands and then dumped the locals in South America where they were forced to work to survive. An African professor for some stuff with history at my pst university apparently didn’t know about it, so it may just not fly under the radar historically. Plus I doubt the British have enough ships to patrol the Pacific. Was New Brunswick added to Quebec to try and dilute the Francophonics? It is almost a shame, as the Canadian Maritime Provinces really would have been a natural cultural extension of New England. And going back to the hat think on Pacific Islands from earlier, I just realized almost all of them are British, except for Polynesia, which is unclaimed by anyone. Plus Easter Island. I feel the Americans would have at least some islands, even if just out of the way, but everything matter on how bad relationships with the British are. I assume pretty bad, due to Canada and the Bahamas. Can the Americans or French even reach China with all of the areas under direct British rule? Actually, no British Canada means perhaps the British try dumping a lot more of their people in the Indian Ocean. I doubt they will reproduce as well as the ones in Canada due to the unpleasant climate and live style, but they certainly need somewhere to go. Though I guess Argentina fills the roll of Canada. Ahhh, the Latin American countries must really hate the British, for seizing land everywhere. Also, what is the status of Portugal exactly? Is the Bonaparte in Madrid claiming it in personal union and keeping it officially separate, possibly so they can claim the overseas colonies? Though, like how the Nazis started to feel after the Japanese got Indonesia, less purpose keeping a small puppet around when they no longer have colonies. This a oneshot or will there be a sequel or prequel? Could be interesting to see the French progressively swallowing up the Barbary States or releasing them.Thanks for your question! So the current story is after napoleon dies in the early 1820 almost immediately another coalition forms against France. Poland is partitioned by Russia and Prussia. The Coalition is quite successful at the start but is eventually defeated but Prussia due to its military being reorganized is able to tale much of eastern Germany. During the war France occupies all of Austria proper and is absolutely done with their betrayals so they turn it into a duchy ruled by a Bonaparte. They make Bohemia independent as well to strengthan their flank. The hapsburgs are able to hold in in the east with Russian support. Currently the Hapaburg rump state is German dominated but there is large discontent by the Hungarians making it very very fragile. Hati is interesting and not fully thought out just yet but the Hatian empire fully repulses the French and is a British Ally.
Colonel Himmler’s Burgundian Fried Chicken. Horrifying but funny.
Order-State of Burgundy
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Introduction
Burgundy, officially known as the Order-State of Burgundy (German: Ordensstaat Burgund), is a semi-recognized country in Western Europe. It's the 5th largest country in terms of population (32,198,441) and the 9th largest country in terms of landmass (376,623 km²). Under Heinrich Himmler, Burgundy is a totalitarian state that dictated all cultural, societal, and economic aspects of life. The capital of Burgundy was Nanzig (1959) until they relocated to Paris (1963), with Rouen as its industrial centre and Dieppe and Calais as special economic zones.
In 1959, Burgundy was founded after the Himmler's Putsch culminated in a compromise between Heindrich Himmler and the Bormann-Goering Diarchy. In 1963, Burgundy invaded France during the German Interregnum, which doubled the landmass of the Order-State and relocation of their administrative capital to the reunited Paris. Burgundy faced multiple riots and insurrections since its annexation, including the Rouen Crisis (1964) and the Red Poppy Crisis (1965-1969). Burgundy went through political reforms since the reinstatement of Oswald Pohl and Joachim von Ribbentrop in 1965, leading to the ratification of the Burgundian Constitution.
Government & Ideology
Burgundy is a totalitarian autocratic state governed by military officials and its civilian partners. Unlike most nation-states with formal separation of power, the Burgundian Constitution dictates that the SS Main Office (SS-Hauptamt) is the only responsible organisation wielding governmental power. The Main Office consists of 12 Reich Ministries, each with its own subbranch and agencies to enact and enforce established policies. Himmler rules autocratically as Reichsführer under principles similar to Führerprinzip (Leader Principle), with his responsibilities and power codified into the constitution.
After the annexation of Northern France, Burgundian administrative zones (Gaue) were reformed into 22 divisions. The province also functions as a military district, each with a garrison force and territorial reserves. Each Gau is governed by a Gauleiter, a military official assigned by the Reichsführer who bears the responsibility of maintaining its economy, stability, and security.
Since 1965, the Burgundian Constitution (Burgundische Verfassung) has functioned as the civil code and ideological treatise of the Order-State. Formally, it establishes that Burgundy is an “Order-State” with the purpose of “safeguarding Europe from American Capitalism, Judeo-Bolshevism, and Slavic Mongolism” and “preserving the purity of the Aryan race”. Burgundian ideological tenets consist of typical far-right creeds such as racial supremacy, military primacy, and disdain for democratic and liberal values. Burgundy once enforced an esoteric fringe of National Socialist thoughts but later dissolved it since the ratification of the constitution.
Demographic & Society
Burgundian societal facet is structured within a racial hierarchy: The ethnically German (Volksdeutsche) locals and settlers are the ruling groups of the Order-State, the “voluntarily Germanized” (Eingedeutschte) populations serve as its supporting class, and the native “undesirables” (Unerwünschtes) are subservient groups within Burgundy. Their rights and privileges are codified into the constitution and expanded after the 1969 revision of the Burgundian Constitution.
Ethnic Germans enjoy full rights and privileges provided by the state; full access to social services and the freedom of movement are exclusive to them. The rights of Germanized locals vary according to their roles within Burgundy, with the civilian population receiving limited rights and services while military and bureaucratic personnel enjoy privileges equivalent to ethnic Germans. Groups not addressed within the constitution are exempted from any social care besides rudimentary needs and were denied travel beyond their household city without permission.
According to the census published by the Reich Ministry of the Interior, the 1970 census concluded that 65% of the 32,198,441 population is comprised of ethnic Germans while the rests are either Germanized locals or subversive natives of their respective regions. However, according to the Directorate of Intelligence, the German settlers and living minorities merely encompass 14,67% of the demographic while only 9,31% are considered “sufficiently Germanized”.
Burgundy is the most isolated country in the entire world. The Reich Postal Ministry controls the flow of information and foreign broadcast; every household television and radio are surveilled to prevent any dissenting media from breaching state-approved channels. Ownership of foreign goods, especially without the approval from the Reich Ministry of the Interior, can be charged with sedition and treason, in which the guilty can be sentenced to either solitary confinement or a decade of penal labour.
Economy & Transportation
Burgundy has a low-middle-income corporatist economy similar to Germany. Reinstated in 1965, the Ministry of Economic Affairs is responsible for economic planning and management. Reforms were implemented under the Pohl administration, including the privatization of certain manufacturing sectors and state planning for development. Since 1971, Burgundy became the 13th world-largest economy, totalling approximately US$ 31.23 Billion in GDP.
Burgundy is one of the world’s largest manufacturing economies and exporters of goods. Manufacturing represents over 63.1% of the Order-State economy, with Industrial Districts (Industriebezrik) such as Rouen, Lyon, and Tours representing half of its shares. Agriculture represents a negligible margin in their trading portfolio due to food security, in which most farmlands are utilized for sustenance instead of export. Special Economic Districts (Sonderwirtschaftsbezirk), autonomous financial centres in Dieppe and Calais, represent only 17.7% of its economy. Burgundy are notable for exports such as grapes, wine, coal, bauxite, concrete, steel, automotive, and firearms.
Transportation plays a significant role in Burgundian Economy, serving as a logistical infrastructure for manufacturing and exports. Management of roads and railways is a state enterprise coordinated by the Reich Ministry of Transportation, which is responsible for its construction and maintenance. Transportation is divided between two infrastructures: Autobahn, an interstate highway system inspired by their German equivalent; and Staatsbahn, a railway system of both German and American gauge standards.
Military
The Waffen-SS is the armed forces of the Order-State of Burgundy. It consists of Army (Heer), Air Force (Luftwaffe), and Territorial Army (Territorialheer). In 1969, it comprised approximately 455,500 active military personnel and 210,000 reserves. Paramilitary organizations such as Order Police (Ordnungspolizei) and Guard Units (Schutzmannschaften). comprise approximately 225,000 personnel.
The Reichsführer is the Supreme Commander of the Waffen-SS and Commander-in-Chief of Burgundy, with Heinrich Himmler currently as its incumbent head. Since 1965, the Burgundian military has been reorganized into a standing army with the formation of Oberkommando der Waffen-SS, establishing territorial command zones and an interservice joint command. Burgundy has no governmental department concerning defence, as Oberkommando der Waffen-SS functions in a similar role.
The Waffen-SS has military experience in both facing domestic security and foreign affairs: Seine Confrontation (1960), a skirmish between French forces and Waffen-SS garrisons; Lyon Uprising (1961), a domestic revolt by Industriebezrik labourers; Fall Ragnachar (1963), the invasion of Northern France; and South African War (1963), in which a 25,000-manned expeditionary force intervened on Reichskommissar Hans Hüttig’s behalf, etc.
Foreign Relations
The Order-State of Burgundy is a nominally-recognized country, with only 5 out of 182 countries declaring formal recognition of the Order-State: Iberian Union, Netherlands, Brittany, Venezuela, and the Empire of Japan. Reich Ministry of Foreign Affairs claims that Burgundy “officially advocates the sovereignty and self-determination of countries and races” and engages in diplomatic missions with its neighbours and the international community.
Burgundy is a regional power in Western Europe, with diplomatic contacts with its neighbours. The Iberian Union has full diplomatic ties with the Order State: Fransisco Franco declared formal recognition of Burgundy in 1967, ratified the Paris-Madrid Agreement of Cooperative Trade (PM-AOCT) in 1968, and conducted a joint exercise in wargames Morrocan Wargames. The French State established limited ties, mainly concerning economic and logistical affairs, especially in conjunction with the Iberian Union.
Japan was the first Asian country to establish diplomatic ties with Burgundy; The Imperial Diet officially recognized the Order-State in 1968 and established ties between their corporations and Burgundian state enterprise during privatization sweeps. Italy condemns the Burgundian invasion of France, imposing an economic embargo until 1972.
Germany established a detente with the former satellite state in 1965, after the formation of the Speer-Heydrich-Schörner Triumverate. Both countries established extensive ties concerning commercial, diplomatic, and military affairs. German corporations such as IG Farben and Krupp set industrial footholds in Burgundy due to their labour force.
Trivia
Burgundian Wine: One of Burgundy’s most infamous export is the Burgundian Wine. The beverage is exported via proxy companies in Germany and the Iberian Union and amounts to 41.97% of its agricultural export, generating over US$ 51.4 Million in revenue. Rumours suggest that half of the revenue went to Himmler’s treasury instead of the State Treasury. In the United States, the legality of its consumption varies between states.
Kyu Sakamoto’s Versaille Concert: After recognizing Burgundy as a sovereign state, Japan sent a cultural entourage in celebration of the ratification. Kyu Sakamoto, one of the most popular musicians in Japan, is one of many performers commissioned by ambassador Katsumi Ōno to perform in the Royal Opera of Versailles, in which Heinrich Himmler and her daughter - Gudrun, made a surprise audience. Despite Sakamoto’s cordial statements to his Burgundian audience, he later revealed during the 1973 NHK interview that his experience in Paris was “anxiously terrifying”, especially when it comes to his audience - comprising of high-ranking officials of the Waffen-SS and SS Main Office.
Surveillance State: According to the Department of Defense, Burgundy is the world’s largest surveillance state. The Reich Ministry of the Interior utilizes 137 CCTV cameras for every 750 inhabitants, and 49% of the world’s cameras are located in the Order-State. Burgundy is also infamous for exporting surveillance equipment to authoritarian countries.
Volkshuhn: Burgundy has a sizable poultry industry, albeit never used for export. However, Himmler personally made attempts to conceive a multinational-spanning fast food franchise selling fried chicken, which led to the establishment of the Volkshuhn, meaning the People’s Chicken. People’s Chicken failed to break into the international market, only limited to the Special Economic Districts.
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The Basqirian Republic
Basqiria became a separate kingdom from West Francia in 910 AD and served as a thorn in the side of the French monarchs for many centuries. The Kingdom underwent many periods of subjugation by the French and English crowns until 1423 when the Counts of Fernacé were elected Kings of Basqiria. The date 7th April 1423 is counted as its national day.
This period until 1792 is counted as Basqirias golden age, as the renaissance was in full swing and wealthy colonies were founded in the Americas. But the country was devastated during the French Revolutionary and Napoleonic wars. The subsequent famine and plague encouraged mass migration to the new world.
Basqiria was reorganized as a republic following World War II and an industrial boom followed as oil deposits were discovered in the Basqirian plains. It's a founding member of NATO and joined the EU in 1973