Map Thread XXI

By the end of the War, most of the influental roles within German administration had become addicted to the meat, inflicting severe side effects to their mental and physical health.
So beside addiction and slipping into insanity, are there some other effects of canibalism? Are some of them possitive? (I mean for those who eat, not those eaten of course)
(when I start to read, it reminds me awesome movie Ravenous)
 
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POD: in 1939 after Germanys invasion of Poland Hitler got the bright idea to supplement the armies pay with human meat, using the Nazi racial heirarchy .
The Polish Governate and the Czeck lands become pillaging lands for the cannibalistic Nazi command. Rumors fail to spread beyond the Pact of Steel, being silenced by Berlin and Rome, that is, until the invasion of France. Falling to the "Blitzkrieg" of the German armies, France was forced to retreat to Corsica. Under Himmler, the SS brought France into terror and dispair. Military leaders were allowed to kill anyone for the purpose to "sustain the hard working blood of the true Aryan Race". The German occupation zone was placed under Himmlers new "Cultivation Policy" to supply food for the SS. In the South, a French puppet escaped this fate under the sphere of influence of Rome, who, at this point, had still been cooperating with Germany.
With France under the boot of the Pact of Iron, Hitler prepared for "Operation Barbarossa". Hitler, Himmler, Kuchler, Jodl, Keitel, Boege, and Rosenberg all met in Königsberg the night before the decleration of war on the Soviet Union. As the inhuman men sat down for dinner in the dinner hall of Königsberg Castle, their food was served. None of the men knew it before hand, but Himmler cooerced his superior into serving the meat of the French and Slavic victims of the Holocaust. While meat had been served in small amounts up to this point, this marked the begining of the end of German stability.
War with the Soviet Union ends with the Russians retreating behind the Volga. In her place the Reichkommissariats, large states ran by ex-military leaders which perpetuated the Holocaust and German colonization. By the end of the War, most of the influental roles within German administration had become addicted to the meat, inflicting severe side effects to their mental and physical health. Instead of appointing skillful administrive rulers, Hitler was forced by the Army to apoint the generals as rulers. It's at this point German diplomacy fell apart as its leaders were brash and arrogant. Italy formed an alliance block from Spain to Romania, directly challenging Berlin.
By 1955 Germany has become a degenerate, unstable military state where once terrible men commanded armies, they now sit greedy and arrogant. Cities are pillaged, tens of millions are sent to concetration camps, awaiting a fate worse than death as cattle for the Nazis. In the German homeland the armies supposedly maintained for national security are unable to cooperate and organize blitzkrieg have made them utterly worthless, except for enacting terror on their lands. As German leaders physically and mentally rot, their enemies are smelling blood in the water and are ready to pounce.
Some Notes:
-While the political leaders of the Pact of Iron ate human meat in Berlin after victory against Russia, it was never used ritually outside of Germany.
-Bulgaria, along with the minor states in the Caucasus, are independant of either Rome or Berlin, though that will change when the situation becomes desperate.
-Growing more paranoid after German victory in Russia, Churchill refused to recognize the 1945 elections, even exiling Attlee for inspiring resistance across Britain. As IOTL Churchill showed public support for a British Gustapo and was openly friendly with Stalin. His paranoia only worsened his health and in 1949 he was forced to leave office, being replaced by Sir Archibald Sinclair. He reformed the British Empire into a more decentralized, democratic, and progressive state.
-Romanian victories in Ukraine haven't gone unnoticed. Boege and Keitel have mounted a defense of their reichkommissariats, though due to their selfishness and narcissism they havent supported Jodl.
The ''Aryan State Of Kurdistan'' will be in my nightmares from now on.
 
To celebrate the almost 4th anniversary of the TTDN, I'm going to post this map:
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So beside addiction and slipping into insanity, are there some other effects of canibalism? Are some of them possitive? (I mean for those who eat, not those eaten of course)
(when I start to read, it reminds me awesome movie Ravenous)
There's no positive effects, no, unless you count the stability it brought early on within the Nazi party? For those who supplemented it in their diets, either out of disgust or not having alot, the effects ender at addiction and insanity. However, the higher ups within the party who ate it for whole meals suffered very severe physical effects also, weakness, tiredness, decaying skin, and became skinnier, more zombie-like in outward appearance.
I've unfortonuetalt never seen Ravenous but ill look into it :p
 
POD: in 1939 after Germanys invasion of Poland Hitler got the bright idea to supplement the armies pay with human meat, using the Nazi racial heirarchy .
Congratulations: You've found a way to make the Nazis worse. How is that possible? And how does feasting on human flesh allow them to defeat the Soviets?

As IOTL Churchill showed public support for a British Gustapo and was openly friendly with Stalin.
When did he show support for a British Gestapo?

Well, I can honestly say you've breathed new life into the most famous of alternate history scenarios.

In the early 1870s, The Ethiopians would become aware of Europe's expansion into Africa and their industrial capability. It would become more apparent to them that they need to catch up to the Europeans as Japan did in their hopes of protecting Ethiopia from a potential European threat.
I've wanted to see this idea for a while.
 
The tripartite relationship between the US, Royalist Canada, and the Republic of Britain would be incredibly interesting, even before we add France to the mix. If I remember right, relations between the newborn US and Revolutionary France were...complicated.

I wonder if the influx of loyalists to Canada will cause them to try and expander earlier and faster than OTL, and how that will play out.
Yes, exactly! That was part of the plan to run it as an NG, games that thrive on complex relationships between countries. Part of the fun will come from the total chaos that ensues from two, technically three I suppose, revolutionary countries that all kind of agree with each other whilst also hating each other.
 
So beside addiction and slipping into insanity, are there some other effects of canibalism? Are some of them possitive? (I mean for those who eat, not those eaten of course)
(when I start to read, it reminds me awesome movie Ravenous)
Dammit!! I was about to mention Ravenous, but I see you beat me to it :)
 
There's no positive effects, no, unless you count the stability it brought early on within the Nazi party? For those who supplemented it in their diets, either out of disgust or not having alot, the effects ender at addiction and insanity. However, the higher ups within the party who ate it for whole meals suffered very severe physical effects also, weakness, tiredness, decaying skin, and became skinnier, more zombie-like in outward appearance.
I've unfortonuetalt never seen Ravenous but ill look into it :p
One of the great "bait 'n' switch" movies of all time...
Me - years ago, bored, flipping channels one weekend afternoon....
"Hey, a western.... Ok, I'll bite...."
About a half-hour into it - "Ummmmm... WTF am I watching here??? :openedeyewink: "
A most underrated movie......
 
So beside addiction and slipping into insanity, are there some other effects of canibalism? Are some of them possitive? (I mean for those who eat, not those eaten of course)
(when I start to read, it reminds me awesome movie Ravenous)
There are no good effect in cannibalism
 
And how does feasting on human flesh allow them to defeat the Soviets?
When I made it I rly just thought a victory in the war would better show the cruality of it all. Then again, the Soviets pushing the Nazis back only to find swathes of "cattle" fields might be even worse, ah well..
When I think about it though, the Germans overlooked the Balkans ITTL due to Hitlers decaying mind, leaving a power vacuum for Italy to fill. Less overextension would definitely help in Stalingrad. I suppose the "unique" strategies devised by the quikly decaying minds of Hitlers generals could potentially help? Or at least shake things up a bit.
 

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POD: in 1939 after Germanys invasion of Poland Hitler got the bright idea to supplement the armies pay with human meat, using the Nazi racial heirarchy .
The Polish Governate and the Czeck lands become pillaging lands for the cannibalistic Nazi command. Rumors fail to spread beyond the Pact of Steel, being silenced by Berlin and Rome, that is, until the invasion of France. Falling to the "Blitzkrieg" of the German armies, France was forced to retreat to Corsica. Under Himmler, the SS brought France into terror and dispair. Military leaders were allowed to kill anyone for the purpose to "sustain the hard working blood of the true Aryan Race". The German occupation zone was placed under Himmlers new "Cultivation Policy" to supply food for the SS. In the South, a French puppet escaped this fate under the sphere of influence of Rome, who, at this point, had still been cooperating with Germany.
With France under the boot of the Pact of Iron, Hitler prepared for "Operation Barbarossa". Hitler, Himmler, Kuchler, Jodl, Keitel, Boege, and Rosenberg all met in Königsberg the night before the decleration of war on the Soviet Union. As the inhuman men sat down for dinner in the dinner hall of Königsberg Castle, their food was served. None of the men knew it before hand, but Himmler cooerced his superior into serving the meat of the French and Slavic victims of the Holocaust. While meat had been served in small amounts up to this point, this marked the begining of the end of German stability.
War with the Soviet Union ends with the Russians retreating behind the Volga. In her place the Reichkommissariats, large states ran by ex-military leaders which perpetuated the Holocaust and German colonization. By the end of the War, most of the influental roles within German administration had become addicted to the meat, inflicting severe side effects to their mental and physical health. Instead of appointing skillful administrive rulers, Hitler was forced by the Army to apoint the generals as rulers. It's at this point German diplomacy fell apart as its leaders were brash and arrogant. Italy formed an alliance block from Spain to Romania, directly challenging Berlin.
By 1955 Germany has become a degenerate, unstable military state where once terrible men commanded armies, they now sit greedy and arrogant. Cities are pillaged, tens of millions are sent to concetration camps, awaiting a fate worse than death as cattle for the Nazis. In the German homeland the armies supposedly maintained for national security are unable to cooperate and organize blitzkrieg have made them utterly worthless, except for enacting terror on their lands. As German leaders physically and mentally rot, their enemies are smelling blood in the water and are ready to pounce.
Some Notes:
-While the political leaders of the Pact of Iron ate human meat in Berlin after victory against Russia, it was never used ritually outside of Germany.
-Bulgaria, along with the minor states in the Caucasus, are independant of either Rome or Berlin, though that will change when the situation becomes desperate.
-Growing more paranoid after German victory in Russia, Churchill refused to recognize the 1945 elections, even exiling Attlee for inspiring resistance across Britain. As IOTL Churchill was weak against Stalin during an alternate meeting of the great powers. His paranoia only worsened his health and in 1949 he publically anounced how a British state capable of defeating Hitler would need some form of Gestapo. Shortly after Churchill was forced to leave office, being replaced by Archibald Sinclair. He managed to win due to a more radical population tired of Churchills authouritarianism. He reformed the British Empire into a more decentralized, democratic, and progressive state.
-Romanian victories in Ukraine haven't gone unnoticed. Boege and Keitel have mounted a defense of their reichkommissariats, though due to their selfishness and narcissism they havent supported Jodl.
What the actual fuck did I just read?
 
What the actual fuck did I just read?
I think the intention was to make it as horrific as possible.... Seemed pretty clear to me as well, a bit... fantastical and unpleasant, but not very problematic....
Can you really get in trouble here for making the Nazis just a mite more unpleasant than they actually were? 🤔
 
Four maps of the US and its surroundings set in the same universe as some posts I've recently made in the infobox thread. I considered a legend but ultimately decided a lot of these nations are pretty self-explanatory.

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Based on this scenario.

This map was produced in the immediate aftermath of the 1959 West African election, the first in which white and black votes were counted equally rather than in two separate colleges. Despite widespread resentment over decades of colonial brutality and unequal treatment, the white exile leaders of the Union party expected the elections to return a loyal opposition but otherwise ratify their existing rule, and many conservatives had been convinced to support the reforms on exactly this premise.

American intelligence knew somewhat better. Having put intense pressure on its ally in Dakar to liberalize to defang Soviet-backed separatist movements, once the political dust began to settle, there was plenty of room for regret in Washington. The upcoming elections were widely forecasted to see a landslide for parties associated with the Rassemblement Démocratique Africain (African Democratic Rally), a union of native-led factions which had led opposition to white minority rule since the end of the Second World War. The RDA had a strong socialist contingent and was rumored to have covert ties to Soviet agents.

When election day came along, however, analysts on both sides of the South Atlantic were surprised when the RDA was almost upset - not by the Unionists, who won next to no nonwhite voters, as anyone outside of the Dakar country clubs could have predicted - but by the Parti du Regroupement Africain (African Regroupment Party), an antifederalist and more radically nationalist splinter of the RDA formed only the year prior. Observers far from Africa had missed the last-minute strength of PRA organizing with Islamic communities and extremely rural areas which were underdeveloped even by African standards.

This map was produced by the State Department's Map Division to inform ongoing discussions on how the United States should react to the results. American policymakers greatly feared that the new balance of power would result one way or another in their losing their influence with the West African government, severely weakening American power and reach in the battle over decolonization. The world learned only generations later than options as radical as supporting an effort to annul the elections were considered at the time, and that President MacArthur's unsubtle firing of Secretary Cabell in late 1959 was in part the result of the latter's support for this plan.

They needn't have worried. In the end, fears about a Soviet foothold in Western Africa proved overblown in the face of more practical concerns about continued lack of recognition and fears of aggression from Paris (as would be justified in the 1962 coup attempt). The newly formed RDA-led government proved quick to offer backroom guarantees of minority rights, the rule of law, and limits on expropriation in return for American security guarantees, retaining the country's pre-reform status as America's key ally in combating French and British influence in Africa.

The strength of the PRA, feared in Washington as a harbinger of post-colonial radicalism, also offered a blessing for West African democracy in that it created a watchdog opposition which both guaranteed competitive elections going forward and helped galvanize support for a stabilizing national consensus on issues like import substitution industrialization, opposition separatism (including, controversially, in Guiana and the Lesser Antilles), and a foreign policy which contributed to the decolonization of Africa while helping newly independent states resist communist and military dictatorships.


This is my experiment both with an election map in that old CIA style and in some new techniques to better deep fry the map so it looks more like the scanned originals.
 
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