Map Thread XXI
- Thread starter fluttersky
- Start date
-
- Tags
- map map thread
- Status
Crazymachines
Banned
A map of the Holy Roman Empire and its constituents, In an ATL 1545.
Key:
White: Abbeys, Prince Bishoprics, Etc.
Green: Duchies, Counties, Principalities
Red: Free imperial cities
Blue: Republics or Communes
Brown: Prince-electors
Purple: Holy Roman Emperor land holdings
Dashed Green: De Jure imperial land held by demesne outside of the HRE
Last edited:
new thread lol
Agenda 2063 pans out, as does 2163, 2263, and 2363.
(what do u guys do with empty space in maps?)
(what do u guys do with empty space in maps?)
Agenda 2063 pans out, the nations of the African Union are prosperous, stable, and wealthy states. The next question was what's next for Africa?
Agenda 2163 was establishing Africa as a global power, dominating trade in the Indian Ocean, colonizing the solar system, and being more active in international politics. Just like before, Agenda 2163 was a success. The climate crises racked the world but provided an opportunity for new powers to emerge. America collapsed, China grew even more powerful worldwide while crumbling at home, and Iran and Saudi Arabia warred for resources in the Middle East, with Russia and Europe backing opposite sides. Europe faced a civil war between the East and West over the status of LGBT rights. A lack of polluting industries was a downside for Africa in the 2000's but now they were blameless for the current disaster, unlike China, America, and the EU. They also suffered less than other places, receiving foreign aid for climate change far before others felt the worst effects. Now things were looking up for Africa, they had completed their goals and were primed to take advantage of the new world they found themselves in.
At the center of the world, connected to the Indian and Atlantic oceans, it was time for Africa to establish itself as THE universal power. Agenda 2263 was to federalize the continent, surpass Europe as global hegemon, rid the world of Chinese influence, and dominate world trade. Without the US European influence had lessened throughout the world. Climate refugees and the second Russian-European war weakened the EU on the continent, allowing Africa and India to fill that power vacuum. Western Australia, largely ignored during the climate crisis, were now reliant on Africa, as was New Afrika in the former US. African federalism had led the NAU to break away and only partially successful, but the nations that federalized were now more prosperous than ever. Through a coalition of Russia, Africa, and India, China was crushed through a bloody, tiring worldwide campaign. Though the world's economy was dampened by such a massive war, the fruits of China's world order could now be reaped by Africa and her allies. The world had suffered the worst the climate crises brought and were ready to take advantage of the new world.
Now, Africa stood with her allies in Agenda 2363, to colonize the new regions made hospitable by global warming, invest in solar, reclaim lost land, and colonize space and the oceans. These plans were fulfilled of course, but without any major obstacles.
Agenda 2163 was establishing Africa as a global power, dominating trade in the Indian Ocean, colonizing the solar system, and being more active in international politics. Just like before, Agenda 2163 was a success. The climate crises racked the world but provided an opportunity for new powers to emerge. America collapsed, China grew even more powerful worldwide while crumbling at home, and Iran and Saudi Arabia warred for resources in the Middle East, with Russia and Europe backing opposite sides. Europe faced a civil war between the East and West over the status of LGBT rights. A lack of polluting industries was a downside for Africa in the 2000's but now they were blameless for the current disaster, unlike China, America, and the EU. They also suffered less than other places, receiving foreign aid for climate change far before others felt the worst effects. Now things were looking up for Africa, they had completed their goals and were primed to take advantage of the new world they found themselves in.
At the center of the world, connected to the Indian and Atlantic oceans, it was time for Africa to establish itself as THE universal power. Agenda 2263 was to federalize the continent, surpass Europe as global hegemon, rid the world of Chinese influence, and dominate world trade. Without the US European influence had lessened throughout the world. Climate refugees and the second Russian-European war weakened the EU on the continent, allowing Africa and India to fill that power vacuum. Western Australia, largely ignored during the climate crisis, were now reliant on Africa, as was New Afrika in the former US. African federalism had led the NAU to break away and only partially successful, but the nations that federalized were now more prosperous than ever. Through a coalition of Russia, Africa, and India, China was crushed through a bloody, tiring worldwide campaign. Though the world's economy was dampened by such a massive war, the fruits of China's world order could now be reaped by Africa and her allies. The world had suffered the worst the climate crises brought and were ready to take advantage of the new world.
Now, Africa stood with her allies in Agenda 2363, to colonize the new regions made hospitable by global warming, invest in solar, reclaim lost land, and colonize space and the oceans. These plans were fulfilled of course, but without any major obstacles.
Last edited:
DAS MAP THREAD IST TOD!
ES LEBE DAS NEUE MAPTHREAD!
Since my sendoff post to the old thread was a TL 191 map I made based off of the World A covers for those books that were made back in Thread XIX IIRC, I present a newer and slightly better version.
To preempt the question, TTL's Gone With The Wind is about a middle class family in Kentucky, who lose their homes to *Checkmate Lincolnites voice* the Yankee invader in the war of 1914.
ES LEBE DAS NEUE MAPTHREAD!
Since my sendoff post to the old thread was a TL 191 map I made based off of the World A covers for those books that were made back in Thread XIX IIRC, I present a newer and slightly better version.
To preempt the question, TTL's Gone With The Wind is about a middle class family in Kentucky, who lose their homes to *Checkmate Lincolnites voice* the Yankee invader in the war of 1914.
A map of languages of the Indian Subcontinent (OTL)
I try to fit the components of the overall work together like a puzzle, and try to fill the remaining space with a title or a short opening quote. Like in this old map of mine:
Ey, we both have an Indian Ascendancy in our maps
I remember Map Thread IV. Back in those days, I wore an onion on my belt. Which was the style at the time.
On a serious note, the standard of the maps definitely seems to improve with every iteration of the Map Thread. I'm assuming it's to do with newer, younger members having much better computer skills and thus are able to use all sorts of software to make cool effects, etc. Looking at the maps I used to post, they were all pretty terrible paint.jpg maps that were.... criticised a lot.
Regards,
Northstar
On a serious note, the standard of the maps definitely seems to improve with every iteration of the Map Thread. I'm assuming it's to do with newer, younger members having much better computer skills and thus are able to use all sorts of software to make cool effects, etc. Looking at the maps I used to post, they were all pretty terrible paint.jpg maps that were.... criticised a lot.
Regards,
Northstar
Continuing the previous province map, with addition of South Asia:
and languages
Next, we will be heading to China
and languages
Next, we will be heading to China
i think ill try a quote with my next map, sounds fun! MrImperatorRoma's maps have made me want to more pixel art tooI try to fit the components of the overall work together like a puzzle, and try to fill the remaining space with a title or a short opening quote. Like in this old map of mine:
Ey, we both have an Indian Ascendancy in our maps
Big India is just too based
Zillian
Gone Fishin'
I would like to presenting a map I have made for my upcoming timeline.
In 810 the Danish king Gudfred sacked Aachen and killed Charlemagne. His empire was divived between his three sons, Charles the Younger, Pippin Carloman and Louis the Pious, but his death had also incited revolts across his empire. Groups of armed pagans in Saxony called Stellinga rose up against their Christian overlords. The aim of the Stellinga League was to recover those right they had prossed before their conversion to Christianity. They hunted down and killed Christian noblemen as well as members of the clergy. Rest fled or were expelled from Saxony. Gudfred used this chaos to his advantage and invaded the Frankish Empire together with his Wendish allies and he was eventuelly elected as king of both Frisia and Saxony. At the same time the Breton chieftain Morman broken away from the Frankish Empire and were elected as king of Brittany
The Imperial crown were hotly contested by the three bothers, and Pippin Carloman assembled an army in the wake of the Great Heathen Revolt and invaded North Francia in an attempt to force Charles to recognize his claim on the imperial crown. Louis sided with Pippin Carloman against his elder brother. Distraheret from the Great Heathen Revolt, Charles was forced to make peace with his two brothers. The Treaty of Stratisburgum (Strasbourg) established a more balanced division between the three brothers and recognized Pippin Carloman as the emperor, while the Treaty of Paderborn recognized the independence of both Saxony and Frisia as well as the consolidation of Daneland as a kingdom.
This above map is based on @Entrerriano The Three Carolingians! as well as this wikimedia map and I used michimaps's Blank Map of Europe as basemap.
In 810 the Danish king Gudfred sacked Aachen and killed Charlemagne. His empire was divived between his three sons, Charles the Younger, Pippin Carloman and Louis the Pious, but his death had also incited revolts across his empire. Groups of armed pagans in Saxony called Stellinga rose up against their Christian overlords. The aim of the Stellinga League was to recover those right they had prossed before their conversion to Christianity. They hunted down and killed Christian noblemen as well as members of the clergy. Rest fled or were expelled from Saxony. Gudfred used this chaos to his advantage and invaded the Frankish Empire together with his Wendish allies and he was eventuelly elected as king of both Frisia and Saxony. At the same time the Breton chieftain Morman broken away from the Frankish Empire and were elected as king of Brittany
The Imperial crown were hotly contested by the three bothers, and Pippin Carloman assembled an army in the wake of the Great Heathen Revolt and invaded North Francia in an attempt to force Charles to recognize his claim on the imperial crown. Louis sided with Pippin Carloman against his elder brother. Distraheret from the Great Heathen Revolt, Charles was forced to make peace with his two brothers. The Treaty of Stratisburgum (Strasbourg) established a more balanced division between the three brothers and recognized Pippin Carloman as the emperor, while the Treaty of Paderborn recognized the independence of both Saxony and Frisia as well as the consolidation of Daneland as a kingdom.
This above map is based on @Entrerriano The Three Carolingians! as well as this wikimedia map and I used michimaps's Blank Map of Europe as basemap.
Last edited:
This is awfully similar to the map of my timeline... while the scenario is obviously not mine, as it is based on a real planned division, these are exactly the same colors I used. Furthermore, the resulting borders are almost the same as mine (with the only difference being the border in northern Bavaria), and what actually prompted me to write this comment, you even take the same city for the treaty between the brothers. I'm not going to stop you from doing the timeline, by no means, but given that you actually took the colors from my map (at the very least), maybe credit me in some way?I would like to presenting a map I have made for my upcoming timeline.
In 810 the Danish king Gudfred sacked Aachen and killed Charlemagne. His empire was divived between his three sons, Charles the Younger, Pippin Carloman and Louis the Pious, but his death had also incited revolts across his empire. Groups of armed pagans in Saxony called Stellinga rose up against their Christian overlords. The aim of the Stellinga League was to recover those right they had prossed before their conversion to Christianity and hunted down and killed Christian noblemen as well as members of the clergy. Rest fled or were expelled from Saxony. Gudfred used this chaos to his advantage and invaded the Frankish Empire together with his Wendish allies and he was eventuelly elected as king of both Frisia and Saxony. At the same time the Breton chieftain Morman broken away from the Frankish Empire and were elected as king of Brittany
The Imperial crown were hotly contested by the three bothers, and Pippin Carloman assembled an army in the wake of the Great Heathen Revolt and invaded North Francia in an attempt to force Charles to recognize his claim on the imperial crown. Louis sided with Pippin Carloman against his elder brother. Distraheret from the Great Heathen Revolt, Charles was forced to make peace with his two brothers. The Treaty of Stratisburgum (Strasbourg) established a more balanced division between the three brothers and recognized Pippin Carloman as the emperor, while the Treaty of Paderborn recognized the independence of both Saxony and Frisia as well as the consolidated of Daneland as a kingdom.
Zillian
Gone Fishin'
@Entrerriano
Good you mentioned that. Have meant to credited you but had genuinely forgotten it. I am sorry about that.
The basemap is not the same as yours but I did indeed used your map as outline together with this map
Besides I quite like the colors you used.
My orginial post is updated with which maps I have used as well as creditting you.
Good you mentioned that. Have meant to credited you but had genuinely forgotten it. I am sorry about that.
The basemap is not the same as yours but I did indeed used your map as outline together with this map
Besides I quite like the colors you used.
My orginial post is updated with which maps I have used as well as creditting you.
To be fair, your colours are typically very good. Not as good as mine, obviously, but still.
It's alright! I did notice your basemap was a different one, which is cool. Thank you for mentioning it on your post, and also thank you for the compliment on the colors lol.
Thank you, ms "I hate saturation"
Interesting scenario, even if I have several reservations.
The main one being that Pétain was already 82 years old in 1938. We are far from a vigorous young man who can easily lead a crowd (just listen to Pétain in his famous 1940 speech, his voice is weak and trembling).
Another remark I have to make is the symbolism of the Elysée. Under the Third Republic the Elysée did not have as much prestige as under the Fifth Republic (and therefore today), so much so that in 1944-1945 De Gaulle sought to move the President's residence to a more colourful place in French history.
Now I have to imagine a pagan mix of the Kalmar Union, the North Sea Empire together with Old Saxony and Great Frisia.I would like to presenting a map I have made for my upcoming timeline.
In 810 the Danish king Gudfred sacked Aachen and killed Charlemagne. His empire was divived between his three sons, Charles the Younger, Pippin Carloman and Louis the Pious, but his death had also incited revolts across his empire. Groups of armed pagans in Saxony called Stellinga rose up against their Christian overlords. The aim of the Stellinga League was to recover those right they had prossed before their conversion to Christianity. They hunted down and killed Christian noblemen as well as members of the clergy. Rest fled or were expelled from Saxony. Gudfred used this chaos to his advantage and invaded the Frankish Empire together with his Wendish allies and he was eventuelly elected as king of both Frisia and Saxony. At the same time the Breton chieftain Morman broken away from the Frankish Empire and were elected as king of Brittany
The Imperial crown were hotly contested by the three bothers, and Pippin Carloman assembled an army in the wake of the Great Heathen Revolt and invaded North Francia in an attempt to force Charles to recognize his claim on the imperial crown. Louis sided with Pippin Carloman against his elder brother. Distraheret from the Great Heathen Revolt, Charles was forced to make peace with his two brothers. The Treaty of Stratisburgum (Strasbourg) established a more balanced division between the three brothers and recognized Pippin Carloman as the emperor, while the Treaty of Paderborn recognized the independence of both Saxony and Frisia as well as the consolidated of Daneland as a kingdom.
This above map is based on @Entrerriano The Three Carolingians! as well as this wikimedia map and I used michimaps's Blank Map of Europe as basemap.
Probably the wet dream of every neo-pagan.
This is a timeline that i've been thinking about for months, and now i finally made it into a map! It isn't exactly intended to be rigorous or realistic, it's more about the broad strokes of my imagination. I haven't seen anyone else make a map of this general concept, but i don't doubt that someone has at least had the idea before me. I just hope mine is unique enough!
Anyway, basically what's going on here is that the Roman Empire has been successfully reunified throughout history, while China broke apart and never unified again. I've put a list of notes in a spoiler at the bottom for more details!
Anyway, basically what's going on here is that the Roman Empire has been successfully reunified throughout history, while China broke apart and never unified again. I've put a list of notes in a spoiler at the bottom for more details!
- The Roman Empire was able to survive the 5th century battered yet intact. Though it has since broken many times over the centuries, it has always been reunified under an Emperor-Pope. Though Christianity is dominant, the Empire recognizes a certain amount of religious diversity, moreso today than ever before.
- Germany has been variously fragmented or part of Rome over the past thousand years, but ever since the 3rd century the Low Countries have been a stronghold of independent Celts and Germans.
- Britain had been difficult for Rome to keep under control in the early days, and eventually by the 3rd century the last Roman presence on the Isles was expelled. Ever since, the Celtic culture of the Isles has remained dominant, even Christianity never taking hold. The only major outside influence is that the Latin script was adopted for written language. With the Dover Strait kept secure by strong continental kingdoms, Britain had been fragmented for centuries, only fully unifying in the late 17th century.
- From the 11th to 13th centuries, with Rome controlling much of Germany and parts of Eastern Europe, the Empire was once again having to deal with 'barbarians'. The various kingdoms of Finns, Balts, and especially the Rus were ransacking Rome much like the Germans had a thousand years before. Eventually, by some fluke, several kingdoms united into the Russian Empire. In just a few decades, the Russian Empire had conquered all of Rome, Arabia, and Persia, and had extended across Central Asia all the way to Mongolia and the western Chinese kingdoms. In just a couple more decades, the whole Empire had collapsed as quickly as it formed.
- In the 7th century, the Islamic religion was formed. The first Caliphate conquered the Arabian peninsula, but in the long term Islam only spread as far as East Africa and Persia.
- Following the breakup of the Russian Empire, the most powerful successor state formed was Veliky Rome, which included the Russian homeland and was ruled by a Russian dynasty on the Roman throne. It would only last for a single century, as a major plague outbreak in the mid 14th century led to such severe instability that a rebellion was able to successfully pull off a Latin restoration. In the aftermath, Rome took over Arabia so as to unite the Abrahamic religions.
- After the fall of the Han dynasty of China, the Three Kingdoms period was more severely disruptive, with the different powers keeping their independence for more than a century. By that point, with no one able to unite China, the kingdoms lost power of authority and fragmented even further. Over 1500 years later, China has still never been unified since, and the regional kingdoms have diverged in culture and language.
- In the 15th century, empowered by a more diverse and complex East Asian trade network, Majapahit was expanding its territory very far. News of the exploration of Australia, the Pacific Islands, and East Africa inspired other maritime Asian powers to begin expeditions of their own. By the early 16th century, South Chinese and Japanese ships reached the western coast of North America.
- The southern Japanese islands have been mostly unified since the 12th century, while the northern islands of Hokkaido and Sakhalin were inhabited by independent kingdoms of Ainu and others. In the 16th century, the entire island chain was unified through diplomacy and conquest into the Japanese Empire. Along with its similarly enduring bitter rival/best ally Korea, the two are often regarded as the two most powerful nations in the world.
- Starting in the 16th century, a united Mongolia began slowly expanding across the Asian continent. By inviting/enlisting various native peoples to grow the empire, Mongolia has become a massively multiethnic land-based empire like no other, structured in a unique decentralized way that resembles aspects of a federation.
- From the 16th to 18th centuries, the East Asian colonial powers settled and conquered the New World. Chinese ships landed in San Francisco Bay, while Japanese ships landed in Puget Sound. When Mongolia reached far northeast Siberia, they continued past the Bering Strait into Alaska. Various (mostly southern) Chinese colonizers landed in Mexico and South America. Most New World colonies were settled west to east, but by the early 18th century newer colonies were being settled by ships that crossed the Indian Ocean, sailed around Southern Africa, and crossed the Atlantic. Japan settled the far northeast, linking up across the continent with their Pacific coast colony. Other Chinese powers settled in the Caribbean and the North American southeast. Korea grabbed the leftovers, including northern Brazil.
- In the 19th century, various New World colonies declared their independence, starting with Mexico, which had developed a unique Chinese/Native combo culture. The wave of revolutions spread all across the New World, except for Japanese Canada and Korea's colonies. In Central America and the Caribbean, several native-dominated nations were founded from rebellions. In response to the loss of their New World colonies, the East Asian powers ramped up colonization around the rest of the world. Japan expanded its colony in the Indian subcontinent, Africa was eventually fully eaten (except for the Rome-supported Mali and Sudan), and everyone began bullying the weak and stagnated Rome, carving out areas of influence and demanding ownership of certain port cities. By now, Rome is severely weakened, with Russia having recently broken off and a former puppet in the Low Countries annexed by a Britain that grows more powerful by the day.
- Germany has been variously fragmented or part of Rome over the past thousand years, but ever since the 3rd century the Low Countries have been a stronghold of independent Celts and Germans.
- Britain had been difficult for Rome to keep under control in the early days, and eventually by the 3rd century the last Roman presence on the Isles was expelled. Ever since, the Celtic culture of the Isles has remained dominant, even Christianity never taking hold. The only major outside influence is that the Latin script was adopted for written language. With the Dover Strait kept secure by strong continental kingdoms, Britain had been fragmented for centuries, only fully unifying in the late 17th century.
- From the 11th to 13th centuries, with Rome controlling much of Germany and parts of Eastern Europe, the Empire was once again having to deal with 'barbarians'. The various kingdoms of Finns, Balts, and especially the Rus were ransacking Rome much like the Germans had a thousand years before. Eventually, by some fluke, several kingdoms united into the Russian Empire. In just a few decades, the Russian Empire had conquered all of Rome, Arabia, and Persia, and had extended across Central Asia all the way to Mongolia and the western Chinese kingdoms. In just a couple more decades, the whole Empire had collapsed as quickly as it formed.
- In the 7th century, the Islamic religion was formed. The first Caliphate conquered the Arabian peninsula, but in the long term Islam only spread as far as East Africa and Persia.
- Following the breakup of the Russian Empire, the most powerful successor state formed was Veliky Rome, which included the Russian homeland and was ruled by a Russian dynasty on the Roman throne. It would only last for a single century, as a major plague outbreak in the mid 14th century led to such severe instability that a rebellion was able to successfully pull off a Latin restoration. In the aftermath, Rome took over Arabia so as to unite the Abrahamic religions.
- After the fall of the Han dynasty of China, the Three Kingdoms period was more severely disruptive, with the different powers keeping their independence for more than a century. By that point, with no one able to unite China, the kingdoms lost power of authority and fragmented even further. Over 1500 years later, China has still never been unified since, and the regional kingdoms have diverged in culture and language.
- In the 15th century, empowered by a more diverse and complex East Asian trade network, Majapahit was expanding its territory very far. News of the exploration of Australia, the Pacific Islands, and East Africa inspired other maritime Asian powers to begin expeditions of their own. By the early 16th century, South Chinese and Japanese ships reached the western coast of North America.
- The southern Japanese islands have been mostly unified since the 12th century, while the northern islands of Hokkaido and Sakhalin were inhabited by independent kingdoms of Ainu and others. In the 16th century, the entire island chain was unified through diplomacy and conquest into the Japanese Empire. Along with its similarly enduring bitter rival/best ally Korea, the two are often regarded as the two most powerful nations in the world.
- Starting in the 16th century, a united Mongolia began slowly expanding across the Asian continent. By inviting/enlisting various native peoples to grow the empire, Mongolia has become a massively multiethnic land-based empire like no other, structured in a unique decentralized way that resembles aspects of a federation.
- From the 16th to 18th centuries, the East Asian colonial powers settled and conquered the New World. Chinese ships landed in San Francisco Bay, while Japanese ships landed in Puget Sound. When Mongolia reached far northeast Siberia, they continued past the Bering Strait into Alaska. Various (mostly southern) Chinese colonizers landed in Mexico and South America. Most New World colonies were settled west to east, but by the early 18th century newer colonies were being settled by ships that crossed the Indian Ocean, sailed around Southern Africa, and crossed the Atlantic. Japan settled the far northeast, linking up across the continent with their Pacific coast colony. Other Chinese powers settled in the Caribbean and the North American southeast. Korea grabbed the leftovers, including northern Brazil.
- In the 19th century, various New World colonies declared their independence, starting with Mexico, which had developed a unique Chinese/Native combo culture. The wave of revolutions spread all across the New World, except for Japanese Canada and Korea's colonies. In Central America and the Caribbean, several native-dominated nations were founded from rebellions. In response to the loss of their New World colonies, the East Asian powers ramped up colonization around the rest of the world. Japan expanded its colony in the Indian subcontinent, Africa was eventually fully eaten (except for the Rome-supported Mali and Sudan), and everyone began bullying the weak and stagnated Rome, carving out areas of influence and demanding ownership of certain port cities. By now, Rome is severely weakened, with Russia having recently broken off and a former puppet in the Low Countries annexed by a Britain that grows more powerful by the day.
love Japanese Greenland lol. how did natives and japanese/chinese interact? Whats the relationship between them in the time the maps set in?
- Status