Map Thread XXI
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Thank you, I had no idea Russia was seeing so much immigration. I guess I just assumed Russia would stay basically ethnic Russian for... I don't know, forever I suppose
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That's probably what the Romans or the Goths thought about themselves, and where are they now? Nothing in this world lasts forever
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Italy still speaks a Latin language and considers itself the cultural heir of Rome, OTOH. (The fall of Rome doesn't seem to have changed Italian genetics that much, either.)
Upload them to another host, then click the little image thing on the top bar above the text box when you try to post.
I used craiyon.com to create some ai created "europe with sovereign states"
I saved a few of them to put on here of course
I saved a few of them to put on here of course
The first image is legible enough to make out some states.
We have (this will involve some speculation and fun "name-work" to detail this map):
- Iceland
- Norway
- Sweden
- Denmark
- United Kingdom of the British Isles
- French Empire (judging by the lack of Belgium)
- Spain
- Portugal
- Galicia
- Dutch Republic
- North German Confederation
- Helveto-Bavarian Union
- West Danubia
- East Danubia
- Romano-Serbian Union
- Bulgarian Empire
- Albania
- Greece
- Italy
- Russian Empire
- Finland
- Baltic Union
- Ruthenia
- Novorussia
- Republic of Murmansk
- West Anatolia
- East Anatolia
- Morocco
- Algeria
- Tunisia
The rightmost one looks like the AI put some meme faces on there and then deep fried it. It's like an actual dank meme map
So? That'd be interesting to see the next 1-2 rounds of the cycle even if you're moving into 100% OC cultures.
See scenario 3/the wheel of time
The Imperial State of Alakesike
What if Alaska was sold to Qing China?
According to Chevigny's book on Russian Alaska, among the famous candidates to sell Alaska - the famous ones being America, Britain and Lichtenstein - an unlikely candidate - Qing China was discussed as well. For reasons unclarified, both St. Petersburg and Beijing rejected this idea, though the Russian Ambassador in Beijing is shrewdly remembered having pointed out that the Chinese had more than enough money to buy Alaska for the offered price. What if the sale of Alaska to China happened in 1867?What if Alaska was sold to Qing China?
For the next 3 decades or so, Qing China attempts to make Alakesike a new loyal frontier, warily aware of the fact of its waning popularity among the Chinese population. Families of loyalists and famous generals who had remained loyal to the Empire throughout the conflicts of the 19th century were given land to settle down in Alakesike - the Chinese transliteration of the Russian word Alaska. This was moderately successful and the commercial rights that China gave Russia ensured that Russians continued to have a presence in the region. Skillfully perhaps, the Chinese defended Alaska successfully from a Japanese landing attempt during the 1st Sino-Japanese War, and in the Boxer Rebellion, the Imperial Province remained neutral in the conflict, sparing it from invasion from the Canadian border, where a few thousand Canadian-British troops had been seen massing. In 1910-11, as the Qing Monarchy was toppled in mainland China the Dynasty fled to Alakesike, which remained loyal to the Dynasty. Claiming to be the rightful government of China, the province declared itself the continuation of Qing China, and welcomed royalist immigrants from China. In 1923, painfully aware of growing British and American interests in the country, and having very less manpower to resist, the nation opened its doors to all White Russian immigrants from the Far East. Already having a sizeable Russian minority, the Russian population boomed in Alakesike. In 1936, after the death of Emperor Puyi and the enthronement of his infant son as Emperor, the new government of Alakesike negotiated a final peace with the Republic of China, with the ROC and Alakesike recognizing Alakesian Independence in return for Alakesike recognizing ROC as the government of mainland China. In 1937 when the Japanese invaded China, Alakesike, despite not being a belligerent nation, did send all the supplies it could to the ROC and sent around ~5000 volunteers to fight in China with the Alakesian Expeditionary Legion to the Old Lands (AELOL). The nation's involvement in the Second Sino-Japanese War and subsequently WW2 as an Allied Power transformed the nation economically, from a backwater province to a growing economic hub in the north. This was continued in the Cold War - as Alakesike remained neutral between the Second and First Worlds, tactfully balancing Soviet and American influence and receiving heaps of investment from both (and from the PRC and ROC). By modern day, it is a tax-haven in the north, and a very prosperous nation.
Thoughts and comments?
That's a really cool idea @सार्थक (Sārthākā)
What would Alakesike's relations with modern Russia, Canada and the USA be like? And when was the Parliamentary system enacted?
You should definitely include at least the purchase in your Qing SI timeline if you ever continue it!
What would Alakesike's relations with modern Russia, Canada and the USA be like? And when was the Parliamentary system enacted?
You should definitely include at least the purchase in your Qing SI timeline if you ever continue it!
I like the flag a lot! It is very inventive. Normally, I'd say that flags like this have too many colors, but I think it works quite well. I congratulate you for making an Alaskan flag that doesn't use any stars.The Imperial State of AlakesikeAccording to Chevigny's book on Russian Alaska, among the famous candidates to sell Alaska - the famous ones being America, Britain and Lichtenstein - an unlikely candidate - Qing China was discussed as well. For reasons unclarified, both St. Petersburg and Beijing rejected this idea, though the Russian Ambassador in Beijing is shrewdly remembered having pointed out that the Chinese had more than enough money to buy Alaska for the offered price. What if the sale of Alaska to China happened in 1867?
What if Alaska was sold to Qing China?
For the next 3 decades or so, Qing China attempts to make Alakesike a new loyal frontier, warily aware of the fact of its waning popularity among the Chinese population. Families of loyalists and famous generals who had remained loyal to the Empire throughout the conflicts of the 19th century were given land to settle down in Alakesike - the Chinese transliteration of the Russian word Alaska. This was moderately successful and the commercial rights that China gave Russia ensured that Russians continued to have a presence in the region. Skillfully perhaps, the Chinese defended Alaska successfully from a Japanese landing attempt during the 1st Sino-Japanese War, and in the Boxer Rebellion, the Imperial Province remained neutral in the conflict, sparing it from invasion from the Canadian border, where a few thousand Canadian-British troops had been seen massing. In 1910-11, as the Qing Monarchy was toppled in mainland China the Dynasty fled to Alakesike, which remained loyal to the Dynasty. Claiming to be the rightful government of China, the province declared itself the continuation of Qing China, and welcomed royalist immigrants from China. In 1923, painfully aware of growing British and American interests in the country, and having very less manpower to resist, the nation opened its doors to all White Russian immigrants from the Far East. Already having a sizeable Russian minority, the Russian population boomed in Alakesike. In 1936, after the death of Emperor Puyi and the enthronement of his infant son as Emperor, the new government of Alakesike negotiated a final peace with the Republic of China, with the ROC and Alakesike recognizing Alakesian Independence in return for Alakesike recognizing ROC as the government of mainland China. In 1937 when the Japanese invaded China, Alakesike, despite not being a belligerent nation, did send all the supplies it could to the ROC and sent around ~5000 volunteers to fight in China with the Alakesian Expeditionary Legion to the Old Lands (AELOL). The nation's involvement in the Second Sino-Japanese War and subsequently WW2 as an Allied Power transformed the nation economically, from a backwater province to a growing economic hub in the north. This was continued in the Cold War - as Alakesike remained neutral between the Second and First Worlds, tactfully balancing Soviet and American influence and receiving heaps of investment from both (and from the PRC and ROC). By modern day, it is a tax-haven in the north, and a very prosperous nation.
Thoughts and comments?
Pacific ISOTs:
North Pacific
The Great Transport provided a good position for the CCP: They no longer had to worry about the Uyghers and Tibetans and could now give housing to its more than 1 billion people! The replenished riches of Asia was another reason the Chinese flocked outside their borders, Causing its area to expand. Beijing's expansions were met with ire from the other East Asian states, especially Russia, Japan and Taiwan. Vladivostok didn't really mind, however, as long as China didn't settle the Siberian Tundra they were in the midst of exploiting. China was also in battle with Thailand, as the smaller country had managed to settle the Irrawaddy river valley before the Chinese could. Relations further south were warmer in Kuching and Nusantara, the latter of which was funded by Chinese money to finish construction. The PLA was attempting to plan an invasion of Taiwan, but ultimately decided against it, since Seoul and Tokyo were still there, and, further across the Pacific, the capitalist pigs were still watching, even if they had been crippled.
Across the North Pacific, The United States was in a state of disorder for the first few decades following the Great Transportation. The northern states were pressuring to secede and unify with the newly independent Columbia, while the Navajos, Californians and Mormons were also pressuring for independence. Had Denver passed all these, the United States would be coast-less, unable to supply its overseas territories in the Pacific, especially Hawaii and Alaska, the latter in particular having cracked a lot of new resources that the rest of the country needed. So Washington, Oregon and Idaho were released to join up with British Columbia and create Cascadia, while the others were given a helping of autonomy. After these issues were cleared, they then went to claim the Gulf of Mexico’s oil, finding itself in competition against the Gulf’s namesake, which had resettled its lost states and was now encroaching the Caribbean Islands. Further south, the countries of Central America had a hard time adapting to the Great Transport. While Guatemala City was free to act on its claim to Southern Belize and San Salvador, Panama City, San Jose and Managua more or less continued their days, What was left of Honduras found itself awfully sandwiched between El Salvador and Nicaragua.
In South America, Colombia emerged as a regional power, mainly because it was the stronger of the 2 South American countries transported, alongside Northern Ecuador. While Bogota saw rich Maracaibo Oil to fuel their energies, Esmeraldas was set on rebuilding their country, in the high hopes that they could emerge from Colombia’s shadow.
South Pacific
Indonesia, now being led from Makassar, had a hard time adapting to the world after the Great Transport. After letting West Papua and Maluku go to focus on their own problems, they began trying to resettle the Malay Archipelago. The process was mostly successful, although several pirates had been able to swarm them. The Indonesians also went upwards to resettle the desert islands of Micronesia.
Far south, Australia had managed to settle its Wild West fairly quickly, while New Zealand took over as the Pitcairns’ mother nation - 67 people on a small island can’t handle being the United Kingdom’s continuation. 568,153 people each spread across 3 territories, however, can handle being France’s continuation, much to their native people’s chagrin. Together, they set sail upwards and settled the Central American coasts, naming the colony ‘Soraina’ after the Governor of French Polynesia at the time of the Great Transport. Another overseas territory, American Samoa, was looking to reclaim the main states, but only got around to resettling Hawaii. Further north, Kiribati was having fun making settlements on their lost islands.
East of the Pacific, the Countries of South America each had something to expand to. While Peru got around to conquering the Amazon River, Bolivia went downstream through the Paraná and Pilkomayo rivers and got a coastline, though it was an Atlantic one instead of a Pacific one. Meanwhile, Chile was consolidating its claim to the South Cone by going down the Rio Negro and conquering the Southern Pampas.
North Pacific
The Great Transport provided a good position for the CCP: They no longer had to worry about the Uyghers and Tibetans and could now give housing to its more than 1 billion people! The replenished riches of Asia was another reason the Chinese flocked outside their borders, Causing its area to expand. Beijing's expansions were met with ire from the other East Asian states, especially Russia, Japan and Taiwan. Vladivostok didn't really mind, however, as long as China didn't settle the Siberian Tundra they were in the midst of exploiting. China was also in battle with Thailand, as the smaller country had managed to settle the Irrawaddy river valley before the Chinese could. Relations further south were warmer in Kuching and Nusantara, the latter of which was funded by Chinese money to finish construction. The PLA was attempting to plan an invasion of Taiwan, but ultimately decided against it, since Seoul and Tokyo were still there, and, further across the Pacific, the capitalist pigs were still watching, even if they had been crippled.
Across the North Pacific, The United States was in a state of disorder for the first few decades following the Great Transportation. The northern states were pressuring to secede and unify with the newly independent Columbia, while the Navajos, Californians and Mormons were also pressuring for independence. Had Denver passed all these, the United States would be coast-less, unable to supply its overseas territories in the Pacific, especially Hawaii and Alaska, the latter in particular having cracked a lot of new resources that the rest of the country needed. So Washington, Oregon and Idaho were released to join up with British Columbia and create Cascadia, while the others were given a helping of autonomy. After these issues were cleared, they then went to claim the Gulf of Mexico’s oil, finding itself in competition against the Gulf’s namesake, which had resettled its lost states and was now encroaching the Caribbean Islands. Further south, the countries of Central America had a hard time adapting to the Great Transport. While Guatemala City was free to act on its claim to Southern Belize and San Salvador, Panama City, San Jose and Managua more or less continued their days, What was left of Honduras found itself awfully sandwiched between El Salvador and Nicaragua.
In South America, Colombia emerged as a regional power, mainly because it was the stronger of the 2 South American countries transported, alongside Northern Ecuador. While Bogota saw rich Maracaibo Oil to fuel their energies, Esmeraldas was set on rebuilding their country, in the high hopes that they could emerge from Colombia’s shadow.
South Pacific
Indonesia, now being led from Makassar, had a hard time adapting to the world after the Great Transport. After letting West Papua and Maluku go to focus on their own problems, they began trying to resettle the Malay Archipelago. The process was mostly successful, although several pirates had been able to swarm them. The Indonesians also went upwards to resettle the desert islands of Micronesia.
Far south, Australia had managed to settle its Wild West fairly quickly, while New Zealand took over as the Pitcairns’ mother nation - 67 people on a small island can’t handle being the United Kingdom’s continuation. 568,153 people each spread across 3 territories, however, can handle being France’s continuation, much to their native people’s chagrin. Together, they set sail upwards and settled the Central American coasts, naming the colony ‘Soraina’ after the Governor of French Polynesia at the time of the Great Transport. Another overseas territory, American Samoa, was looking to reclaim the main states, but only got around to resettling Hawaii. Further north, Kiribati was having fun making settlements on their lost islands.
East of the Pacific, the Countries of South America each had something to expand to. While Peru got around to conquering the Amazon River, Bolivia went downstream through the Paraná and Pilkomayo rivers and got a coastline, though it was an Atlantic one instead of a Pacific one. Meanwhile, Chile was consolidating its claim to the South Cone by going down the Rio Negro and conquering the Southern Pampas.
Predicting what will be the demographics at the end of the 21st century is meaningless. The UN lowers forecasts every year. The peak of the human population is shifting to an earlier date each time.
But if we focus on what we have now, Russia's prospects are pretty good. The current decline in the birth rate is due to the small number of women born in the demographic decline in the 1990s. They are now of childbearing age. However, Russia is one of the few (???) European countries where generations produce themselves. In other words, women in the 90s produce about the same number of women as were born in the 90s.
The number of large families is growing quite rapidly. Most likely, it took first place in Europe. The average order of fertility (the average number of children in women who gave birth) is growing. Now, it is probably higher than at any time since the time of Stalin.
If China annexes Siberia, it will clearly not be related to demographics. The province of Heilongjiang borders Russia. The province's population has declined from 38 million in 2010 to 31 million in 2020. It is the region with the lowest birth rate on the planet (0.5-0.6 children per woman) and massive southward migration. The reason is that all of Manchuria is the rust belt of China.
Russia also does not have large former colonies from which significant migration can take place. Islamization is unlikely since the birth rate of Islamic republics is rapidly falling.
If we take the next 20-30 years, then the birth rate will fall or stagnate until the end of the 2020s. In the 2030s, this will grow by about one and a half times with a peak in the early 2040s, and then decline again. This scenario does not provide for the expansion of birth support. If the government takes stimulus measures, the number of children may increase. Sakhalin's experiment shows that payments for the third and subsequent children can bring TFR to 1.9-2 despite the echo of the demographics of the 1990s and other problems.