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Aye, but then he rejected his rights on the French throne
Felipe V only renounced his right to the throne with his lips. If the opportunity had arisen to retake the throne in France he would have done so. (And at that time a Bourbon could not "really" renounce the throne, because the sange of the royalty is above the treaties).
 
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Felipe V only renounced his right to the throne with his lips. If the opportunity had arisen to retake the throne in France he would have done so. (And at that time a Bourbon could not "really" renounce the throne, because the sange of the rpyaute is above the treaties).
Wouldn't that force the French throne to go down the line of the oldest son instead of the second son then ? Or maybe a system of Lateral Succession ?
 
Wouldn't that force the French throne to go down the line of the oldest son instead of the second son then ? Or maybe a system of Lateral Succession ?
Good question I don't know the answer to. But it is likely that beacause at that time the French system of succession was the only possible model for the descendants of Louis XIV. That is why the abdication of Felipe V to the French throne was only obtained by force and without any real will to respect it for the main person concerned.
 
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1925 in a TL-191 world where the First Great war ended in a victory (Africa), white peace (America and Oceania) and an outright loss (Europe).


There won't be any issues at all.


/s
 
Qing collapse and are replaced by a republic which rapidly modernizes.
If Japan=Russia, does that mean China=Turkey?

There won't be any issues at all.
I can't see anything at all going wrong. Other than the possibility that both Americas, Germany, and maybe France might go fascist; the Soviets are rising and if they're stopped it'll be because Russia went fascist, Mexico still has cursed borders (though that's nothing new) but other than that I can't fathom a single possible problem.
 
If Japan=Russia, does that mean China=Turkey?


I can't see anything at all going wrong. Other than the possibility that both Americas, Germany, and maybe France might go fascist; the Soviets are rising and if they're stopped it'll be because Russia went fascist, Mexico still has cursed borders (though that's nothing new) but other than that I can't fathom a single possible problem.
I put a /s below the "nothing can go wrong" part.

Also, yep, spoiler alert, the Soviets are going to win the war in Alaska and become a great threat. The Confederates may not go fascist (they never lost territory, for starters) but the US being robbed of it's victory might.
 
German would probably just give up colonies to take back lost land in Europe
The colonies were actually independent of the German Empire since 1918. The Germans were winning but suddenly started being pushed back, so the colonies jumped ship to reap the spoils. They've only joined the Weimar Republic in 1924.
 
Tourist's Map of Hainan 1967 - Kuomintang Control

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In March 1950, a smallpox outbreak in the interior of the Chinese island of Hainan had been wreaking havoc for nearly four months, with thousands of fatalities. The impacts of the epidemic were drastically worsened by the political situation on the island in the context of the Chinese Civil War. While most of the island was under the control of Kuomintang forces, the interior was largely controlled by the communist-aligned Qiongya Column, both involved in an armed struggle for control of the territory.

Under the command of Xue Yue, the KMT were keen to cut off medical aid to the Column in order to obtain a strategic upper hand. The result was catastrophic for interior forces; left without any medical assistance, the smallpox epidemic was a particularly devastating one, even worse than a similarly fatal outbreak in Hainan’s interior in 1918. Of the 15,000 strong Column, over 6,000 died and several thousand more were left incapacitated. Given the high civilian casualties accompanying this, it was a humanitarian disaster. For the Nationalist forces however, it was a favourable disaster. A renewed assault on the interior beginning on the 2nd of March decimated the Column’s front line troops, forcing a panicked retreat, and within just 2 days the force was all but defeated.

This development was perceived by the local KMT as a relief, albeit minor in terms of significance given the small nature of the Qiongya force. The real threat, it was seen, was positioned across the Qiongzhou Strait on the mainland. Unbeknownst to Hainan’s garrison at the time, however, was that the interior’s smallpox outbreak and its consequences had a crucial role in keeping the island secure from communist attack.

An emergency meeting of People’s Liberation Army commanders was convened at 6:00pm on the 5th of March in Xuwen, across the Straits from Hainan. Just an hour before a small fleet of junks were scheduled to sail across the Straits to make a landing designed to probe KMT defences, Deng Hua, the PLA commander of the Fourth Army’s XV Corps, called for the operation to be aborted. The reason for this was that a crucial part of this initial landing’s plan was to link up with forces of the Qiongya Column to ease the mission, enabling a larger force to land later once enough territory was secured. With reports that no such aid from the Column would be available after its defeat just a day earlier, the integrity of the entire operation was jeopardised. As such, Deng Hua called for a week’s postponement to readjust plans for Hainan’s ‘liberation’.


The situation had shifted towards the KMT’s favour, when at first it seemed the demoralised and overstretched Nationalist forces would be hard-pressed to defend the island. The week of delay in the PLA’s plan enabled Xue Yue to move troops previously assigned to eradicating the Qiongya Column northwards so as to bolster coastal defences. For this reason, when the probing landing occurred on the 12th (assigned a greater number of troops given the collapse of the Column), PLA soldiers encountered stern resistance at their two designated landing sites. At Baimajing on Hainan’s western coast, Communist troops encountered particularly heavy resistance, leading to much of the landing force being wiped out and survivors being captured or committing suicide. While the landing on the eastern coast at Chishui was not as disastrous, similarly fortified KMT positions prevented the PLA from making any meaningful inland gains, and the troops were forced to withdraw back across the Strait under cover of darkness as supplies ran low.

The botched operation resulted in Deng Hua offering his resignation from command of the XV Corps, and motivated PLA leaders to begin drafting entirely new invasion plans. Knowing that conditions for invasion would be favourable throughout the entirety of Spring and Summer, the date for a large scale amphibious landing was pushed back to mid-May.

On the 16th of May, after receiving the go-ahead from Moscow, forces of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea moved south of the 38th parallel, seeking to take control of the entire peninsula. This action had begun the Korean War that would last for years to come, and put a major spanner in the works for Chinese designs on capturing the remaining Nationalist strongholds of Taiwan and Hainan. Just months earlier, President Truman of the United States had assured the international community that America would not intervene to defend either Taiwan or Hainan. This position rapidly shifted with the outbreak of war in Korea however, as fears arose in the US that Communist advances in Korea could be compounded, while the world was distracted, with the capture of Taiwan and Hainan by the People’s Republic of China. As Truman’s policy of containment developed, and the voice of the pro-Taiwan lobby in congress grew louder, the United States deployed their 7th naval fleet to the Taiwan and Qiongzhou Straits in order to safeguard the KMT garrisons on these islands.

Despite vocal Chinese protests at this action, the decision to deploy the US navy had worked in warding off attacks by the PRC on either island, especially given that the PRC itself intervened in Korea in September and was forced to temporarily place its strategic focus elsewhere. The fleet’s deployment was the first in a series of actions that would build a strong relationship between the United States and the Republic of China, only growing stronger as the Cold War developed.
 
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Here is a cover of rvbomally's World War 1.5 map, specifically an alternate of an alternate where World war 3 ends in a stalemate. Might make a series of covers, might not.

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Some facts: World War 3 starts out as described in the original scenario, but ends in 2017 after a rogue Russian military group launches Russia's military arsenal in an attempt to force a victory. Some nukes remain in their silos thanks to the heroic efforts of loyalists managing to stop the launches, but the damage is done and a few cities are destroyed, but mainly military installations are targeted. Meanwhile, Europe has collapsed into infighting, which the Russians were able to move on by securing Eastern Europe and the Balkans. Fearing that the war could go nuclear if it went on any longer due to the Russian nuclear catastrophe, the Western and Eastern powers come together to end the fighting. The year is 2038
  • Brazil has used the war as a way to secure it's hegemony over South America, and many believe it could be the next great power
  • South Africa has become far more militaristic in the years since the third world war, having taken out Chinese allies in the region (even annexing Zimbabwe), the new Union of South Africa is expanding it's influence northwards, taking on a manifest-destiny type worldview in regards to the rest of Africa, believing that they will bring the modern world to the rest of the continent. The opposition is believed to be backed by China, but they are slowly losing, yet at the same time, South Africa is losing alot of money in the bush wars that have started ever since.
  • The EU fractured after the war. The remains of it are now dominated by France and allied to the US. In the center of Europe lies the European Front, a reactionary state where non-Christian religions have been outlawed and non-Europeans have been deported. No one likes them at all, but they maintain a North Korea-China relationship with Russia, which isn't bound to last. It's position on the continent means that any attempt at expanding would result in it getting dogpiled, forcing it to remain insular, and it's likely that the Fascist government will not survive the next decade.
  • Russia was split in two after the war, with most of it's pre-war military having been wiped out, along with a good chunk of it's young male population, the Russians have resorted to new measures to raise the population. Despite the split, Russia does hold influence over Eastern Europe, but the loss of Siberia makes it a mixed bag for Russia. Siberia, on the other hand, has become a Chinese satellite state. Many are worried however as the Russian Ultranationalist Party has been getting alot of votes in recent years.
  • China is also suffering from population issues, but isn't in a bad spot like Russia, as it's taken the chance to reclaim Outer Manchuria. Despite the pre-war trends, China and the US have actually been drifting towards eachother in recent times.
  • Japan gained Sakhalin after the war, but the overall conflict resulted in a mixed bag. Japan may have gained a large amount of newfound pride for their victory as well as control over some disputed territory, but a large amount of their new military was lost and the pre-war population issues have been exacerbated. Meanwhile, Japanese Politics have become more polarized than they have been since the second world war. The Japanese Nationalist Party has begun getting more and more influential, and it's supporters are restless. There is fear that if the JNP doesn't win the next election, they may attempt a coup, which has led to both the US and China threatening to intervene.
  • North Korea did not survive WW3, and has been split between South Korea and China. South Korea has shifted into the Chinese sphere of influence in recent years, despite the horrors of the war (Realpolitik)
  • India and Indonesia have been taken over by Ultranationalist Parties, and are viewed as the most likely candidates for starting the next geopolitical headache.
 
The U.K. is no more, but Northern Ireland managed to remain independent? Also seems implausible to have Apartheid in Australia when there are so few Aboriginals left there.
 
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