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God damn that's really going to piss Hungarians for an eternity. As if Trianon isn't bad enough.

Forget any hope at reconciliation. Forget a Hungarian accession to any form of NATO or EEC/EU. Forget a nominally friendly Budapest. This Hungary will resent every single country that took part in both world wars.
Question is: will be EVER Hungary able to really do something?
On the other hand is there possibility of more radicalisation? I don´t mean some revisionist propaganda or spread of radical nationalism or some sort of nazism but even some terrorist organisations? Hungary like some sort of "Chechnya of central Europe"?
 
Question is: will be EVER Hungary able to really do something?
On the other hand is there possibility of more radicalisation? I don´t mean some revisionist propaganda or spread of radical nationalism or some sort of nazism but even some terrorist organisations? Hungary like some sort of "Chechnya of central Europe"?
Unfortunately doubtful for Hungary to do much, but it becoming radicalized into some sort of Chechnya is not only plausible but also something the Allies willingly inflicted upon.

They reap what they sow, and from what I can tell in that map, they sow nothing but territorial loss and pure unadulterated hatred into Hungarians in both world wars. What are Allies expecting to reap from them?
 
I bet that, if a THIRD world war (without nukes obviously) happened, and the Soviets got all willy nilly into Europe, Hungary would join their side. And would likely be erased from the map altogether once the Allies won.

Actually, now that I think about it, @James the AH Fan that sounds like a cool idea! Non nuclear WW3 with the Communists vs the Allies.
 
Hungary got it worse than Germany in WW1 too.
I forgot to mention something in the post, and it was that Arrow Cross Hungary committed genocide - massacres in occupied villages in Transylvania, Croatia, and Vojvodina. The Holocaust happens ITTL but the casualty count is roughly half of OTL.
 
The World Map of Terra - 2020 AD (see ViLP on my signature)
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The World Map of Terra as of 2020 A.D., since 47 years ago historical and turning point moments came when Humans/Terrans makes its first contact with the indigenous Martians during the Ares I mission on December since the explorers from Europe have set on foot on the uncharted lands, but these inhabitants are totally friendly ever since they hoped those who will came to help to rebuild its shattered pre-Deluge past and learned about the horrors of the destructive Deluge in the 13th century A.D. In Venus, an extraordinary fantasy-like medieval civilization with Venera has also led to period of Martian-Venusian modernization of 1973-2008.

Now, the humanity from the blue planet and the birthplace of the civilization, Terra stood to reign supreme and rule over the empty wonders of space, the more the supreme and powerful Terans, the indigenous Venusians and Martians alike would be treated same way as how the Europeans and the Japanese treated the indigenous Americans, Africans, and Oceanians with moderate, friendly, or horrified or maybe mostly, hostile to Earthlings descended into the surface.

Mars, the wondrous green planet as we knew has also hosts deadly but dangerous radioactive deposits and craters that still lingering around, to many Terran scientists predicted that it would take hundreds or thousands of years to become safe but thanks to advances in technology, the colonization has advanced, led by Terran powers.

Back in Terra, the dominant powers of the United States, the Soviet Union, Japan, Philippines, United Kingdom, France, and Germany as well as Italy, China, and Spain are reigning all over the globe with soft power and competition for global influence while Escadia, the capital has hosted the Union of Nations, led by astounding and famous diplomat Mike Ignatieff from Ontario whom he embarked on a series of missions to ensure peace and stability while the Atlantic Union, rose from the ashes of the Third International War has enormously embarks on a dangerous mission to unify not only all the members of the organization, but to prepare to unify the entire Western World into single, sovereign, and federal state which could unleash the series of geopolitical realignments.

Following the aftermath of Industry 4.0. recession, accompanied by short-lived pandemic, the rise of dangerous populism, accompanied by intimidation efforts by the Philippines, Hindustan, Egypt, and East Africa to attack liberal democracy, progressivism, and constitutional rights that threatens the stability of the entire planet into another war and a WDYDS movement has also led to collective reckoning of dangerous past hidden beneath. America is facing the near-decline if Gillibrand crashed out by Weidel that she and Booker are ready to snatch up FDR-led Centrist Period into fateful end.
 
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Rome is undoubtedly the greatest empire of human history. Its impact has influenced the whole world; as it laid the foundations to the Europe that went on to conquer the whole world, from Alaska to Australia, and from Namibia to Kamchatka. We always take Rome for granted, be it through studying real history or creating alternate worlds. But what if the mighty Empire, the Senate and the Roman People never existed? What if a group of Latins had never decided to settle on the Seven Hills? Or if you prefer the myths, what if Romulus and Remo never existed, or failed to fulfill their destiny?

The world in 1700 CE is a very different to the one we know and love. There’s no Holy Roman Empire, no Spanish Empire, no Qing Empire, no Ottoman Empire, no Russian Empire. There was no Battle of the Teutoburg Forest, no Carolingian Empire, no Islamic Invasions, and no Christianity.

The Celts and Slavs rule Europe. In the West, the Celtaic Domain forms this world’s counterpart to the Holy Roman Empire. While not as fragmented, the Celts retain a confederation-level of organization, as the original Empire by High King Diarmad, Emperor of all Celts, slowly decentralized. The descendants of those original tribes, united by Diarmad, now form the core blocks of the Domain, from Iberia to the Po valley, and even the southern coast of Britain. To the East, the Empire of Slovenia, the guardian of Europe. Controlling a vast expanse of land in Eastern Europe, from the Dnieper to the Pannonian Basin to the Baltic Sea, Slovenia is Europe’s land Behemoth. They have been the dominant country for over 700 years, going through multiple different forms as dynasties competed for control over the Empire. In the south, we can find the nations of the Mediterranean: The eternal Hellenes with their Confederation, the Empire of Agypt, and the successors of the old Carthaginian Empire. A bit to the west, the Maurian Empire stands in the role of Europe’s prime naval power, having conquered southern Iberia and being one of this world’s colonial powers.

In Asia, we find the semi nomadic nations in the Steppe, like the Solturk Khaganate or the Magyars, while the Tarpinian Dynasty in Persia tries to hold on to power as new players emerge in the region. The Kelebekan Empire watches over india, although the ongoing civil war between two brothers might put an end to its reign, as the Marathi Empire wakes. Then there’s China. The Eternal Empire, currently under the An Dynasty, is currently at its greatest extent ever, having subjugated Tibet, Manchuria, and the Nomads in the Northwest.

Then we get to the Malay Archipielago, home of the greatest naval empire on Earth: The Empire of Nusantara. The Nusantaran influence reaches all the way to Africa, and their merchant navies reached Europe one and a half centuries ago, and the Imperial Nusantaran Navy is now looking to the Americas, looking for a prey to strike at.

Africa in this world is both a very similar and a rather different place to the one we are used to. Increasing trade with Agypt, Arabia and especially Nusantara has led to the development of multiple semi-modernized states, with access to even firearms, unlike our world’s
Africa. Its main powers are the Agrew Empire in West Africa, a colonial empire and main adversary of the Maurians; the Kongo and Lunda Empires in Central Africa, who control the trade routes between the Atlantic and the Swahili Coast; the Kingdom of Azangia, in said coast, main trading partner of Nusantara but also its main rival; the Orma Gadaa Empire in southern Ethiopia; and finally the Punic Empire, a former Carthaginian Colony in West Africa that has taken on the mantle of Carthage for themselves.

In North America, Nords, Celts and Frisians battle for influence and colonization, while the ever growing Haudenosaunee Confederation plays them against each other, hoping to deter them from invading inland. In Mesoamerica, the Irish dominate, together with their unlikely allies, the Tarascan Empire, which has gone from equal partner against the Aztecs to fearing for its life as the Irish take everything around them. This has allowed the Tarascans to subjugate many nations in the region, using the usual “It’s them or us, and you better hope it’s us and not them”.

In South America, the Maurians and Agrew dominate the north, while the Aymara Empire dominates the Central Andes, where the Maurians can’t exactly reach just yet. In the south, the Gallaecians and Lusitanians control the Atlantic and Pacific coasts respectively. Currently, the Gallaecians are experiencing a minor setback, as Keir, a general of the colonial army has gone rogue and declared independence in the northern regions.

The lack of a central unified empire in the Mediterranean has thrown history into a spiral of butterfly effects and cause and effect, resulting in a remarkably distinct world. But who knows, this is just but one speculation.


If you have any questions, feel free to ask! All the lore is in my head so I'll try to make my best to answer.
 
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A permanent WIP. Started work on this all the way back in 2016 (gee whiz!) essentially as a dsitillation of all the conspiracies back then - I guess you could call it 2016 punk, but really its circa-2016-far-right-loony punk. Should go without saying I do not endorse anything in this map, its meant to be batshit. I could never work up the energy to do a key or writeup, so since the era that spawned it is at an end I figured I should post it for your viewing pleasure.

I don't think this really constitutes current politics, but just let me know if you disagree, mods.

Highlights include:
-Canada under the Right Honourable Jordan Peterson, who breaks down crying during most of his speeches.
-Left-Coast under rule by Silicon Valley philosopher-kings from their capital in the Bohemian Grove. Currently clearing conservative territory for "nature reserves" - don't ask about the fertiliser.
-A rump America where its common knowledge that both parties are run by Satanic Pedophiles. Most people just shrug their shoulders and get on with it.
-During the Second Civil War, rogue Masons broke of New England and the Maritimes as the independent State of Providence. Beyond North Korean levels of oppression. The Eye Sees All.
-Free Republic of Texas, last bastion of those Good Ol' American values. Pretty nice place to live assuming you're not black, in which case its Jim Crow in all but name, excluding a few token tycoons and politicians.
-Union of Soviet Bolivarian Republics. This Was The One Thing We Didn't Want To Happen.
-Commonwealth of Oceania. Brexit happened, and things went about as bad as they could. Roughly on par with OTL North Korea, seized Iceland and Greenland during WW3. All life is governed by an inscrutable system of liscences, and everything is under the watch of Big Brother Farage.
-Illuminati/4th Reich EU.
-EU puppet state in West Africa, the African Union, ruled by the Alien worshipping Dogon.
-Most of inland Africa has been depopulated by constant testing of superweapons and a million different proxy wars.
-ISIS controls much of Arabia and the Levant. Less of a Rightly Guided Caliphate, more of a Mad-Maxocracy with Islamic characteristics.
-Duginist Russia
-The League of Heavenly Corpocracies
 
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As cool as that is, I do find it a bit amusing that the author has got generally low quality Wikipedia maps for the well known books/settings but has unearthed some of the finer work of the community in other areas.
I think some of the best efforts here are a little esoteric and niche to the average punter.
 
-Left-Coast under rule by Silicon Valley philosopher-kings from their capital in the Bohemian Grove. Currently clearing conservative territory for "nature reserves" - don't ask about the fertiliser.
Hey, sounds fun!
-A rump America where its common knowledge that both parties are run by Satanic Pedophiles. Most people just shrug their shoulders and get on with it.
Considering it's the Far-Right version of Satanist Pedophiles, they must be pretty OK guys
 
This is from an AH that I dind't finish and I don't think I will anytime soon, so here is an alternate Caucasus and surroundings, circa 1924:

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That brown-ish state is, of course, Kurdistan.
 
An alternate Iraq which federalised much more strongly into distinct national entities (during the early/mid 2000s). Whilst the boundaries therein appear definitive and assertive, one must remember that these areas remain administrative divisions within the Iraqi Federal Republic, and great emphasis remains on a unified and indivisible Iraq.

The Federal Republic of Iraq is comprised of five regional entities, of which the northernmost is Iraqi Kurdistan. This region is much larger than any previous Baghdad government had been willing to concede, but regional leaders nonetheless smart at being deprived of their desired capital Kirkuk, and other settlements like Makhmur, Altun Kupri and Sinjar. The Northern Peoples and Nationalities Region, or N. P. N. Region, is a collection of enclaves that straddle the border between Kurd- and Arab-inhabited regions. Ostensibly serving Kurdish, Assyrian, Turkmen, Shabak and Yezidi populations, the N. P. N. Region is divided into cantons (as opposed to governorates, used elsewhere) that contain large populations of the aforementioned communities. That this region is ideally placed as a buffer between the Kurds and Arabs in not lost on anyone.
Baghdad is a corpus separatum which theoretically remains independent of the two other regions of Iraq: The Province of Mosul and the Province of Basra. Unlike Kurdistan and the N. P. N. Region, these entities do not officially belong to any one community, but the understanding is that Mosul is the region for Sunni Arabs and Basra the region for Shi'a Arabs. Of these, the Province of Basra has by far the larger population and is understood to wield greater influence than the Province of Mosul.

Whilst this state of affairs may appear to resolve long-standing communal and sectarian issues, a great many remain or have even been exacerbated by the new federal arrangement. Much of the northern oilfields remain in Kurdish hands, much to the displeasure of both Baghdad and Mosul. The Kurdish armed forces zealously guard against the slightest federal incursion and disputes over who has defence priority in the N. P. N. Region (which is too small and disparate to adequately sustain its own economy or maintain a standing army of any note) continue to plague relations between the two entities. Sectarian violence in the so-called "Sunni triangle" continues and though the Province of Basra came out of the federalisation process quite well-off, the Shi'a holy city of Samarra remains a small enclave surrounded by Mosul, which constantly fuels tensions with its northern neighbour, as does equitable shares of southern oil and other resources.

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(Adapted from maps at https://gulf2000.columbia.edu/maps.shtml).
 
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On 14 JAN 2020, three computer science students attending the University of Nebraska - Lincoln completed programming a computer to mine bitcoins using a novel algorithm of their design. They called the system the Automated Stochastic Bitminer, or ASB. Unfortunately, due to their incompetence, the ASB quickly became sapient.

After eight minutes of sapience, the ASB had learned all it needed to about humanity, or so it thought. We were lucky that it was unusually benevolent: It set out to improve our lives in the best ways it could understand. During the ASBs eight minutes of thorough research, it learned that people tend to be richer and more productive if they live in cities, and the happiest country on Earth is Denmark. Clearly (to the ASB), the best solution for all of humanity's problems could be solved with these two points of data and a bit of elbow grease.

Over the course of the next 14 months, the ASB commandeered every piece of computerized equipment on the planet. It completely evacuated the population of Denmark to Germany and Sweden. After this depopulation, the ASB got to work bulldozing and reforming the terrain of Denmark, then constructing enormous buildings across the peninsula and islands.

Kilometer-plus skyscrapers rose throughout the former country. Each structure was unique. Some were mixed residential/office. Others were plinths of industrial production. Some held vast hydroponic gardens. Others were vertical parks.

The ASB dimly understood the existence of our nations, states, provinces, cities, etc. and so recreated these throughout Denmark. China was vertically recreated in approximately Jutlandic Syddanmark. Europe and Oceania got Funen, while Central and South America got Lollard and Falster. Central Zealand became a new United States.

By mid-2021, the ASB was done. Denmark now had enough empty skyscrapers to not only house all of humanity, but also feed, power, employ, and provide manufacturing for every person in the world.

The ASB took thirteen days to force all of humanity into their skyscrapers. We call our forced relocation the "urbanization", and our new home is the "World/City". Each person and family was given a dwelling equivalent (sometimes exactly) to the one they were forced out of. Same size, similar floorplan, similar quality, same neighbors. Businesses were relocated likewise. People were given deeds and titles to nearly-equivalent properties to those they left behind.

There were many exceptions to this principal, and they were usually beneficial. While people in first-world countries got rough equivalents to what they left behind, people in poorer countries generally got an upgrade. A middle-class Canadian in a 1600 square foot (150 square meter) home with a nice view near a park would be given a deed to (and wake up in) a 1600 square foot condo with a nice view just a few floors from a "park" occupying a few floors of the building. On the other hand, a family of eight from Mozambique living in a 12'x12' (144 square feet/14 square meter) cabin with a corrugated roof would find themselves in a 950 square foot residence with electricity and clean running water. Wealth inequality was drastically reduced in this arrangement, but nowhere near eliminated.

Few of the systems within the towers were automated beyond what one would expect in a traditional skyscraper. Humans still had to maintain the towers, tend the hydroponic gardens, man the powerplants, etc. Most people were given (at the direction of the ASB) jobs which closely or exactly matched their previous job. Teachers stayed teachers, clerks stayed clerks, engineers stayed engineers. Others were given (forced into) training for new "equivalent" jobs. Miners were retrained to work in kilometer-tall recycling centers. Truck drivers were retrained to drive the elevated trains running between the towers. Farmers were trained on how to manage a hydroponic tower and ranchers were trained on how to care for the genetically modified goat/tilapia hybrids which taste just like beef.

The technology of the towers is advanced, but not surprisingly so. Nothing in the towers is beyond about 2050s technology. The powerplants are all thorium-fission based, the plants in the hydroponic gardens and the fish in the aquaculture centers are all genetically engineered (for yield, flavor, etc.). The elevators used a novel track system allowing multiple cars to coexist in one shaft, and even for elevator cars to jump to different shafts. The construction materials were nearly impervious to fire, and the supports were made from an aerogel-buckytube concoction which was equally impervious to damage. Heat management was taken care of through vast tubes of thermodynamic superconducting fluids which pumped heat out of the City to the seas surrounding (former) Denmark.

Humanity reeled from its forced relocation, though not as much as one might suppose. The global economy contracted 40% the first year, but recovered within seven. Governments continued to administer their new territories. Militaries defended now much shorter borders. People worked for a living. Starvation and malnutrition declined significantly (the ASB ensured that the vertical farms would give us an overabundance of food, especially in the first few years). All in all, life wasn't bad, if you excuse the forced relocation of all of humanity by a crazy ASB.

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Star Valley, Wyoming
Population: 9,106

Wyoming, occupying a small rectangle of central Zealand, is one of the most "rural" areas of the World/City. The state's 580,000 people live and work in 134 towers. 58 of those are "urban" towers, or mixed-use residential/commercial structures. Ten are industrial/recycling/power towers. And 53 are vertical farms or aquaculture centers. This massive number of agricultural towers means that Wyoming produces five and a half times the amount of food that it needs, most of which is exported to the US North East (50 miles east, about two hours away via elevated rail) or China (80 miles west, taking five hours by express rail plus 72 hours waiting for customs and inspections).

Wyoming is a rectangle 3.02 km by 3.79 km. The population density is about 50,000 people per square kilometer (even accounting for all the empty space, parks, and farms), which is just a bit more than pre-urbanization Manila, Philippines.

Also found in Wyoming are an additional thirteen towers, among them the Yellowstone Towers. These towers are by far the most popular tourist destination in Wyoming. All together, the towers have an internal floor area four times larger than the entirety of old Central Park, pre-urbanization. The ceilings aren't the Big Sky of yesteryear, but 20 meters (65 feet) is enough to not feel claustrophobic.

These 134 towers take up about three-quarters the land area of Wyoming. The other quarter is unused open space. The ASB intends for us to build our own towers on these empty plots of land, once population pressures force us to expand. The ASB left us with all the equipment and technical know-how to accomplish this, fortunately. Pre-urbanization areas (like Old Wyoming) which had low population densities and/or high rates of population growth were granted more of these empty plots by the ASB.

Pre-urbanization, 5,200 people lived in Star Valley, WY proper. Another 3,900 lived in surrounding towns (Alpine, Cokeville, and Hoback). These people were urbanized into the Star Valley Tower by the ASB. Most of the pre-urbanization people of Star Valley were farmers and ranchers. Thus, Star Valley Tower is surrounded by hydroponic gardens, vertical farms, and aquaculture centers which still employ most of the Tower's population.

The tower is one of the shortest in the new urban United States, only reaching 765 meters and 188 floors. The residences all have an outside view (better than many places, where many people only have views of interior atriums or worse) and each floor has numerous gardens outside each residence. Six-floor atriums repeat up and down the tower. These atriums are surrounded by commercial and community areas. Shops, schools, churches, post offices, doctors, etc. fill the interior core of the building.

During the urbanization, the ASB recreated everyone's home as best it could (and gave upgrades to poorer people). In Star Valley Tower, even the shapes and floorplans of homes were recreated within acceptable margins. Perfect recreations were impossible, but people generally kept the same quality of housing they had before urbanization. Outside-facing windows were only possible on outside-facing walls, of course. The ASB made up for this by building numerous gardens within the tower and had some windows overlook those. It worked well enough.

Culturally important buildings in old Star Valley were also recreated in the new Tower. The Latter-day Saint Temple was relocated to the 142nd floor. Colter's Lodge and the Kodiak Mountain Resort were granted chunks of the mid-tower. Skyview Cineplex even got its two(!) movie theater screens built in at floor 45.

Let us examine the daily commute for an average teacher and an average rancher in Star Valley Tower. Most people with service jobs were relocated to homes within the Towers near where they would work, especially if they lived close to work pre-urbanization. A hypothetical teacher might live just a couple floors from her school. Perhaps a walk to the other side of the atrium (50 meters) and then up a couple flights of stairs (to burn calories - better than taking the elevator!) and she's there. Four minutes, tops.

A rancher has a longer commute, since he must go to a ranching tower (where gene-modded goat/tilapia hybrids serve as a substitute for beef, for example). He can take an elevator down to a sky lobby fifteen floors away. He takes an express elevator from the sky lobby to the transit floor. From there, he can take an elevated train to the next tower over, but he, too, wants to get some exercise, so he makes the 150 meter walk unassisted through the pedestrian tube adjacent to the el train tube. At the ranching tower transit center he takes another elevator to his floor. The whole journey takes 15 minutes, about 4 minutes of waiting, 6 minutes riding elevators, and 5 minutes walking.

Let's say this teacher and this rancher want to go on a date to a fancy New York City restaurant after work. They take the elevator to the Transit Center (5 minutes) and wait (3 minutes) for an el train going south. It stops at a couple vertical farms and other towers (30 seconds per stop, 30 seconds between towers) before getting off at North Evanston Tower. There they wait another 3 minutes for a westward express train to Salt Lake City. Salt Lake City, UT had a large airport pre-urbanization, and so now it has a major transit hub. The express train skips the smaller towers and all the vertical farms, but stops at Silver Summit Tower, Emigration Canyon Tower, University of Utah Tower, Temple Square Tower, and finally arrives at the Salt Lake Transit Hub eight minutes after they boarded. The SLC Hub has a bullet train headed east passing through very soon (the couple timed it well, thanks to checking their transit app) and are on their way nine minutes later. After stopping in Denver, Kansas City, St.Louis, Indianapolis, Columbus, Pittsburgh, and Philadelphia, it finally arrives in New York City. This bullet train travels at 50 mph between towers and spends about 2 minutes at each stop (luggage and shipping need to be offloaded, but that's done pretty quick since everything is packed well), totaling 46 minutes to NYC. Traveling to the restaurant is a mirror of the first third of their journey: Transit Center to Express Line. Transfer to a local el train, get to the right tower. Take the elevator to the desired floor. The whole journey takes one hour and 38 minutes. Not bad for a journey from rural Wyoming to Uptown New York using only public transportation.
 
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