Oh gosh I did the big poopie, did not remember the western borders
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@Prussian Militarism okay I will tag you in the next post of my thread😃😃😃😃😃. Thank you very much in advance!
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@Prussian Militarism I will write you a private message about the world, so that we avoid spoilers for the timeline.
A map made as a commission for a client on DeviantArt.
Not much backstory other than the US wins the War of 1812, the cotton gin is never invented (no civil war) and Mexico is fully annexed in 1848. Cuba, the Caribbean and most of Central America are subsequently incorporated into the Grand Republic.
While I did have a lot of fun figuring out the composition of state and territory borders, I'm in no ways an expert on North American history so there's bound to be errors and inconsistencies here and there.
Not much backstory other than the US wins the War of 1812, the cotton gin is never invented (no civil war) and Mexico is fully annexed in 1848. Cuba, the Caribbean and most of Central America are subsequently incorporated into the Grand Republic.
While I did have a lot of fun figuring out the composition of state and territory borders, I'm in no ways an expert on North American history so there's bound to be errors and inconsistencies here and there.
Why are the river borders not colored any differently from the other river segments?A map made as a commission for a client on DeviantArt.
Not much backstory other than the US wins the War of 1812, the cotton gin is never invented (no civil war) and Mexico is fully annexed in 1848. Cuba, the Caribbean and most of Central America are subsequently incorporated into the Grand Republic.
While I did have a lot of fun figuring out the composition of state and territory borders, I'm in no ways an expert on North American history so there's bound to be errors and inconsistencies here and there.
Question of style, I suppose. It’s been my general approach to mapping for a very long time. The only place where I deviate from it is in Columbia/Alaska/Yukon in order to make the area more dynamic and readable.
Been reading on Alfonso I of Aragon and after reading what he had left on his will decided to make this map for a funny, and nonsensical, ATL.
Continuing with my previous post... TL-191, the fascist Entente win the Second Great War.
A lot of people south of the Frasier west of the mountains go to Mt. Baker in Washington State, crossing the border at Sumas or at least they did before COVID shut down the border.Another one of those "X ways to divide Y" maps. (Not mine, just stumbled onto on pinterest while looking for the continental divide)
Here's something I whipped up for Halloween.
The Samhain Killings is a term used to refer to a series of murders perpetrated throughout the Metro-Detroit area throughout October of 1997. The victims were all young, brown haired, Catholic women active in their church communities. Most notably, and what would give the killings their names was that somewhere on each of the victims was found a card with a symbol associated with Irish paganism. This combined with the time of year the murders occurred would earn the perpetrator the moniker of the Samhain Killer. In total ten victims were killed throughout the month, each one having been mutilated in a way reminiscent of animal sacrifice.
During this time, eight other murders would be committed in a manner similar to the Samhain killer, though there were some notable differences; not all of the victims were brunettes, two of them were men, and only one was a Catholic. Not only that, but compared to the ritualistic murders of the Samhain victims, these killings were performed with a 9mm handgun. The perpetrator of these copycat killings, 34 year old Joshua Campbell would initially claim to be the perpetrator of all the killings, but would later retract his claims, admitting to having hoped that his crimes would be lumped in with the other murders.
Another detail noted by law enforcement was that there had been four murders the previous month, each victim matching the description of the Samhain victims, but lacking the more ritualistic nature of the actual crimes, leading some to speculate that the Samhain Killer may have started his rampage earlier than initially thought.
The Samhain Killings is a term used to refer to a series of murders perpetrated throughout the Metro-Detroit area throughout October of 1997. The victims were all young, brown haired, Catholic women active in their church communities. Most notably, and what would give the killings their names was that somewhere on each of the victims was found a card with a symbol associated with Irish paganism. This combined with the time of year the murders occurred would earn the perpetrator the moniker of the Samhain Killer. In total ten victims were killed throughout the month, each one having been mutilated in a way reminiscent of animal sacrifice.
During this time, eight other murders would be committed in a manner similar to the Samhain killer, though there were some notable differences; not all of the victims were brunettes, two of them were men, and only one was a Catholic. Not only that, but compared to the ritualistic murders of the Samhain victims, these killings were performed with a 9mm handgun. The perpetrator of these copycat killings, 34 year old Joshua Campbell would initially claim to be the perpetrator of all the killings, but would later retract his claims, admitting to having hoped that his crimes would be lumped in with the other murders.
Another detail noted by law enforcement was that there had been four murders the previous month, each victim matching the description of the Samhain victims, but lacking the more ritualistic nature of the actual crimes, leading some to speculate that the Samhain Killer may have started his rampage earlier than initially thought.
An alternate election map for the US House of Representatives loosely based on TL-191 but with some changes. I used the districts from the OTL 1970's as the base map (original on Wikipedia) and didn't change them mostly because I lack the mapping skills for that. I tried to include the TL-191 state of Houston but decided to leave out Canada and the other Confederate states annexed after the Second Great War in favor of an alternate scenario: in this world, Featherston never becomes leader of the Freedom Party and so there is never another war between the USA and CSA. Relations between the USA and CSA by the present day are not great, but not terrible. In many ways the CSA has never recovered from the Great War, and without Featherston it just sort of stagnates in perpetual dysfunction.
Meanwhile, the USA is one of the world's leading superpowers. While its constitution is largely familiar from OTL, its changed history caused it to develop a real multiparty system. Especially given that most states still use FPTP voting, the multiparty system can produce some interesting results, including scenarios where no single party has enough members to elect the Speaker and must make deals with smaller parties for support. Recognizing the problems of races where a Congressperson can be elected with around 20% of the vote in a five or six way race, some US states have adopted ranked-choice or instant-runoff voting, but not all.
The Parties of the United States:
- Socialist Party: social democracy, a big-tent center-left party supported by organized labor. Its base is the big cities and industrial Midwest, but it also has support in the Great Plains and among union miners and other blue-collar workers out west.
- Democratic Party: pro-capitalist and generally more socially conservative. Comfortable with big-government style programs like national healthcare etc. especially when those can be argued to contribute to national security and military preparedness, but also more inclined to trust the market in economic areas not directly bearing on those. The party that rebuilt the USA after its humiliations in the War of Secession and 2nd Mexican War, the Democrats emphasize "peace through strength."
- Liberal-Republican Party: the remnant of the nineteenth century Republicans, they occupy a middle space between the dominant Socialists and Democrats. They favor economic liberalism but will work with the Socialists to rein in the Democrats' less restrained support of business. The Liberal-Republicans have a strongly regional character, being based mostly in New England, parts of the Upper Midwest, and Kansas, which has been Republican since the 1850's and whose attachment to this minor party defies all logic to anyone from anywhere other than Kansas.
- Left Alternative: democratic socialism and, increasingly, environmentalism. LA formed from a left-wing split from the Socialists led by radical students and activists who felt the party had become too moderate. It wins mostly in big-city districts that are normally safely Socialist, usually when voters want to protest against complacent incumbents who have become unresponsive cogs in the Socialist Party's big-city machines. It does best on the West Coast.
- People's Party: best described as conservatives who don't want to be Democrats for historical reasons. It was founded by a collection of right-leaning groups from places like Utah, Sequoyah, Houston, and Kentucky, states that had been forcibly incorporated or re-incorporated in the USA as a result of the Great War. Its membership initially wanted to take its states out of the USA, but since that is not a realistic goal, they try to work within the system for the good of their states, which to them means keeping federal interference to a minimum. The only party in this USA that has any use for the concept of "state's rights." The People's Party has never won any elections outside of Utah, Houston, Sequoyah, or Kentucky, and rarely contests elections in any other states.
- Independence Party: an extreme-right, abstentionist group of unreconstructed pro-CSA secessionists. Originally set up as the "Freedom Party in the Occupied Territories" when a new war between the USA and CSA seemed possible in the 1930's and '40's, its members pursued an anti-system strategy of causing constant disruption in Congress until it became the practice to deny to seat them upon their election. Its history has been closely tied to that of the Freedom Party in the CSA; when that party failed to stop racial violence or fix the Great Depression in the CSA and lost power, the Independence Party deteriorated along with it. It once typically won all the House seats in Kentucky and Houston, but now votes for it are best understood as protest votes cast against federal neglect by residents of some of the country's poorest districts.
The map: (sorry the urban districts are hard to see, I'd love a basemap with insets of the big cities if anyone can point me to one):
Meanwhile, the USA is one of the world's leading superpowers. While its constitution is largely familiar from OTL, its changed history caused it to develop a real multiparty system. Especially given that most states still use FPTP voting, the multiparty system can produce some interesting results, including scenarios where no single party has enough members to elect the Speaker and must make deals with smaller parties for support. Recognizing the problems of races where a Congressperson can be elected with around 20% of the vote in a five or six way race, some US states have adopted ranked-choice or instant-runoff voting, but not all.
The Parties of the United States:
- Socialist Party: social democracy, a big-tent center-left party supported by organized labor. Its base is the big cities and industrial Midwest, but it also has support in the Great Plains and among union miners and other blue-collar workers out west.
- Democratic Party: pro-capitalist and generally more socially conservative. Comfortable with big-government style programs like national healthcare etc. especially when those can be argued to contribute to national security and military preparedness, but also more inclined to trust the market in economic areas not directly bearing on those. The party that rebuilt the USA after its humiliations in the War of Secession and 2nd Mexican War, the Democrats emphasize "peace through strength."
- Liberal-Republican Party: the remnant of the nineteenth century Republicans, they occupy a middle space between the dominant Socialists and Democrats. They favor economic liberalism but will work with the Socialists to rein in the Democrats' less restrained support of business. The Liberal-Republicans have a strongly regional character, being based mostly in New England, parts of the Upper Midwest, and Kansas, which has been Republican since the 1850's and whose attachment to this minor party defies all logic to anyone from anywhere other than Kansas.
- Left Alternative: democratic socialism and, increasingly, environmentalism. LA formed from a left-wing split from the Socialists led by radical students and activists who felt the party had become too moderate. It wins mostly in big-city districts that are normally safely Socialist, usually when voters want to protest against complacent incumbents who have become unresponsive cogs in the Socialist Party's big-city machines. It does best on the West Coast.
- People's Party: best described as conservatives who don't want to be Democrats for historical reasons. It was founded by a collection of right-leaning groups from places like Utah, Sequoyah, Houston, and Kentucky, states that had been forcibly incorporated or re-incorporated in the USA as a result of the Great War. Its membership initially wanted to take its states out of the USA, but since that is not a realistic goal, they try to work within the system for the good of their states, which to them means keeping federal interference to a minimum. The only party in this USA that has any use for the concept of "state's rights." The People's Party has never won any elections outside of Utah, Houston, Sequoyah, or Kentucky, and rarely contests elections in any other states.
- Independence Party: an extreme-right, abstentionist group of unreconstructed pro-CSA secessionists. Originally set up as the "Freedom Party in the Occupied Territories" when a new war between the USA and CSA seemed possible in the 1930's and '40's, its members pursued an anti-system strategy of causing constant disruption in Congress until it became the practice to deny to seat them upon their election. Its history has been closely tied to that of the Freedom Party in the CSA; when that party failed to stop racial violence or fix the Great Depression in the CSA and lost power, the Independence Party deteriorated along with it. It once typically won all the House seats in Kentucky and Houston, but now votes for it are best understood as protest votes cast against federal neglect by residents of some of the country's poorest districts.
The map: (sorry the urban districts are hard to see, I'd love a basemap with insets of the big cities if anyone can point me to one):
Looking good!
I have a few thoughts again about the partitions of certain regions.
Unlike a traditional ISOT to virgin earth situation all the infrastructure is still there, so the option for super fast recolonization is on the table.
On the other hand, unless people act REALLY fast, there are going to be worse than Chernobyl level nuclear meltdowns at many reactors when suddenly their non-christian operators disappear. Along with a slew of other man made disasters from other unmaintained infrastructure like dams.
Lots of immigrants from Latin America returning to the old world makes sense, it's got to be one of the least depopulated regions.
Greece is taking over a huge amount of territory. There are just as many Georgians as Greeks and I think they would move into the Pontus region. Bulgaria I think could also take the northern half of the Edrine province in Thrace, with the ghost city of Adrianople.
The amount of land you show Poland taking from Belarus (I know, I know, it was my suggestion in the first place) seems unreasonably large. I suggest around 1/3 of that. Although if there was a war fought over it as opposed to peaceful negotiations then anything goes I guess.
I think there are more Lebanese christians than Syrian christians, so it would be more an equal merger of the two than one joining the other.
I had completely forgotten about groups like the Assyrian christians and the many foreign workers in the gulf states.
Why would the US army bother staying in an empty Afghanistan? I suppose pulling out would in effect cede the region to the Russians, but it's landlocked and difficult to access (unless something is going on in Pakistan). The military deployment at the time of the event probably outnumbered the remaining christian afghanis.
Sudan proper would probably be empty and might be claimed in part by the south sudanese, along with the Copts.
Yemen could end up direct American territory, for a base in Aden. It's going to be completely depopulated.
Russia is very well positioned geographically for a lot of expansion south into Asia, problem is how hard they must have been depopulated themselves, especially in the east.
Prince George is BC's northern center.
It only has one way roads leading into the city. None who enter can escape.
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