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Mediterrenian 780 AD around the reign of Constans III
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Mediterranean 857 AD Under the regein of Heraclonas.

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The crisis of the 9th century or called the crisis of the regents for the romans , fell upon eastern rome after the death of Heraclius II with many contenders to become regent most of which worried more about their personal power than the empire itself leaving it vulnerable to invasions as Gwafa II emperor of the berbers destroyed all roman armies in Egypt but died before the conquest leading to a civil war in his empire , still the the province with no native army and many of its defenses destroyed allow the copts to overthrow the romans , the Dabuyid empire also invaded in this time as well as the bulgarian empire which took much of rome's clients north of the danube as the khazars invaded in the caucasus , the franks invaded northern italy and took it then tried to punch deeper in to hispania but where beaten leading to the division of the empire to its 4 sons each leading to the frankish civil war of 847 -855, Luckly for the empire Heraclonas took power and manage to inflict substantial defeats to the Dabuyid and bulgarian empires but had to compromise since an absolute victory was not possible , due to the civil war the frankish king of italy do to an east frankish invasion asked to become the vassal of Heraclonas to gain legitimacy against the roman nobles who hated him.

in this time period the frankish empire collapsed , the eastern roman empire declined as well as the great berber empire , as well as the ending of the Heraclian renaissance and the lowering of the standard of living increase in piracy in the mediterranean and the increase of viking raids .
 
Split with Hungary? Huh? I agree that it would be damn hard for Italians to control pretty big croatian territories but for Hungarians it would be nightmare, I pressume...
Not really. Pannonian Croatia is geographically just an extension of the Pannonian plain which is dominated by Hungary. Sure the partisans were strong in the forests of Sisak but given the Axis's position elsewhere, they shouldn't be a problem. Bosnia is a bigger question, but certainly it and Lika are more easily ruled from Hungary than Italy.
Give Lika and most of Herzegovina to NDH and it'll be more realistic in my opinion.
 
Hey guys, this is my first world map ever, based on rvbomally's 'Sailpunk' basemap. It's an Age of Exploration paleofuture, with some mythpunk thrown in. Hope you enjoy :)

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The year is 1900, more than two hundred years after a very different Age of Exploration came to an end. These days, much of the work force is comprised of homunculi (colloquially known as 'muncs'), foot-high humans grown in jars. This tiny race of manmade laborers are noted for their lack of hair and nails, their translucent skin, and their distinct, unpleasant odour, thought to be a result of the complex alchemical substances involved in their creation. Homunculi are completely sterile, and age at a faster rate than their womb-born counterparts, rarely living past the twenty-year mark. The muncs have very little in the way of human rights (old-fashioned games such as 'kick the munc' and 'munc tossing' remain popular to this day) - little surprise perhaps that there have been so many homunculus uprisings in the last few years, and as a result, they are slowly being phased out in favour of the much more efficient - not to mention far less rebellious - clockwork automatons (or 'tommies'). Notably, a number of businesses refuse to profit from homunculus labour - not out of any concern for their treatment or well-being mind, but because are Morally Opposed™ to munc-making, seeing it as playing God.

The oceans are inhabited by ship-sinking krakens (some species of which have tentacles long enough to damage low-flying aircraft) and turtles big enough to be mistaken for islands, something TTL's Polynesians learned the hard way. Mermaids exist, although they're a far cry from the aquatic beauties of nautical lore (being more reminiscent of the Deep Ones than Ariel) and can be found in various scattered schools across the world's oceans, communicating with each other in a series of indecipherable hoots and whistles. Contrary to popular belief, male mermaids do exist, although they are decidedly less intelligent than their female counterparts, and are usually killed, and either fully partially consumed by their partners after mating. Mermaid hunting is increasingly common (the Church's official stance is that the seagoing she-devils do not have souls, meaning that killing them is fair game), and their blood is presently the most popular drug of choice amongst society's upper crust.

Mermaid blood, sometimes known as 'fish juice' is ingested orally, and is usually mixed in with tea or coffee - drinking it with alcohol is not recommended. It is usually harvested from female specimens (with that produced by males generally considered to be of inferior quality). On top of inducing an intense euphoria in humans, mermaid blood is known to hold certain anti-ageing properties, preventing skin from wrinkling and hair from turning grey. Unfortunately, fish juice is also highly addictive, and can lead to a number of nasty side effects. These include (but are not limited to) strong aversion to sunlight, stabbing chest pains, loss of libido, severe obsessive-compulsive behaviour, and delusion (the most commonly reported being an inability to recognize one's own reflection in a mirror). Interestingly, vegetables such as onions (especially garlic) have proven highly effective in treating persons struggling with addiction to mermaid blood.

In recent years, much of western Europe has been devastated by an epidemic of lycanthropy, a strange disease which is common in canine species, and can be transmitted to humans through bites and scratches. Lycanthropy does not kill its human victims, but grotesquely disfigures them both physically and mentally: within 24 hours of exposure, infected persons (known as lycans, colloquially called dogmen) will experience rapid hair growth over their entire bodies, and in the following days, their minds will slowly degrade into a violent, primitive, animal-like state. Although there is no cure for lycanthropy, there is one silver lining to their condition: every full moon, lycans will temporarily regain their mental faculties (usually retaining little memory of their time in their wolf-state). Sadly, in some communities, it is still common practice for lycans to be purged (along with all dogs and wolves) in order to prevent the disease from spreading.

In response to this ongoing plague, the Catholic Church has established a number of settlements known as lycan colonies (also called clabbert houses[1], or lycanthropariums), where the infected are sent to be cared for by Christian monks. Living conditions in lycan colonies are generally fairly poor, although during a full moon, once their sanity has returned, inmates may be bathed and groomed (all that fur gets itchy), receive meals of their choice, have access to reading/writing materials should they request them, and (very occasionally) may be visited by family members. Inmates in lycan houses are segregated by sex, as the dogmen are capable of producing genetically normal offspring (which they are fiercely defensive of). Most lycan colonies are located far away from any populated areas (there have been countless cases of inmates attacking their carers in their wolf-state and escaping into the wild, sometimes even joining packs).

Just as early New World cartographers speculated, California is of course an island, formerly inhabited to a race of hairy, nine-foot humanoids. Known variously as the Ape-Men, Sasquatch, Nephilim, and Bigfoots[2], these nocturnal carnivores once numbered in their tens of thousands, and lived a peaceful, nomadic existence. The Ape-Men were the first ones to domesticate the jackalope, which they (and later Europeans) used as beasts of burden. Sadly, following the arrival of the first Spanish colonists, the Ape-Men were entirely wiped out by human diseases, although if the rumours are to be believed, a small number of survivors may exist in the Californian forests, far away from the gold-rich human cities.

Lying at the bottom of the world is the partially-frozen land mass of Antipodia, which has been depicted on world maps long before its shores were first sighted by European sailors in the early seventeenth century. Historically, Antipodia has been known by a variety of names, including Pymland, New Arkham, and (most commonly), Terra Australis. Being more than twice the size of Africa, Antipodia is the world's largest continent, and was settled by humans roughly forty thousand years ago. The continent is host to a vast array of weird flora and fauna, such as vampiric trees (used by some native tribes for sacrificial purposes, or as a particularly torturous form of execution), venomous dropbears, carnivorous bunyips, and colossal duck-billed platypuses (which have been domesticated for millennia, and are ridden by aboriginals for fast transit across both land and water).

The oldest and most sophisticated culture on Antipodia is the Tsalal Empire, whose territories cover much of the continent (although the European powers have each claimed their share of land). Far from the barbaric savages early explorers were expecting, the Tsalal's rich culture continues to fascinate European scholars to this day, and their customs, artwork and mythology have been written about extensively by such authors as Chambers and Valdron. The Tsalal refer to their homeland as Tchortcha, from where we get the word tcho-tcho, a name (widely seen as offensive) for someone of Antipodian heritage (the Tsalal, in turn, have been known to refer to Europeans derogatively as tekelilis, literally translated as 'snow-skins'). The Tsalal are renowned for their unique fashion, with their nobility dressing only in the finest, most beautifully woven silks produced by the giant arachnids of the Oriab Isles (without much concern for the painful rash it leaves behind).

For millennia, the Tsalal have been ruled by an absolute monarch known as a hastur, who reigns from the black palace of Leng in the imperial capital city of Tsal which, prior to the onslaught of a devastating epidemic of Poe's Disease (colloquially known as the Red Death), was the most populous city on the globe. The first person to hold the title of hastur was Qarvkeh, a semi-legendary figure who is said to have been born in a village near Lake Hali, where he was abandoned at birth, and raised in the pouch of a sabre-toothed kangaroo, later returning and vanquishing the Tsalal's oldest enemies, the vile yowies, to the Southern Wastes. The mythical hero is sometimes known as the 'King in Yellow' (he is said to have only ever dressed in the one colour in honour of his wife, who died of old age whilst he was still young, and was rarely seen without her favourite yellow flower in her hair). Other hasturs of note include the Nekmut the Mayfly (who suffered a fatal epileptic attack mere hours into his reign), Noscrot the Eunuch (received this unique epithet following his castration at the hands of a jealous lover), and Zadmig the Wicked (a brutal tyrant who died from hysterical laughter at the sight of a servant child being eaten alive by a royal dingo).

A surprisingly small number of hasturs have been murdered throughout the Empire's long history - perhaps the most notable of whom was the illegitimate king known Kelraf the Imposter, who ascended to the throne by masquerading as the son of the late Tcharu the Lame (his reign lasted fifteen years, only ending when he accidentally confessed his true identity after drinking too much mushroom wine from the plains of Iuggoth, and was later executed). The Tsalal people revere penguins as the ancient Egyptians did cats (indeed, their religion claims that when the Earth was young, before the sun had been created, a penguin god that sat upon the planet as if it were its own egg, thus keeping it warm). They are also renowned for their architectural prowess, constructing such wonders as so-called 'Sphinx of the South', an immense black statue of a mythical creature known as a wahtefuq (a monster which has the head of a kangaroo, the body of a sealion, the wings of an albatross, and a snake for a tongue).

In the last century, the Tsalal Empire has opened up trade routes with all major European powers, selling itchy spidersilk, yummy red yams, and the mysterious plant known as kaddatha (known to outsiders as dreamweed), a narcotic rivaling mermaid blood in terms of popularity. When smoked, kaddatha causes the user to fall into a deep sleep, from which they will be unable to awaken from until its effects have worn off. In this state, the user will experience extremely vivid dreams which they have total control over, allowing them to live out their every fantasy in a safe environment. Although kaddatha is not physically addictive, taking it regularly is not recommended - smoking the drug too often has been known to result in the user losing control of their dreamstate, often with frightening results, and while dreamweed users cannot come to any physical harm while sleep, the pain they feel in these dreams will seem very real indeed. There have been cases of kaddatha smokers experiencing intense nightmares from which they cannot awaken even months or years after they have used the drug, and stories are told of sailors too terrified to sleep, ultimately dying of exhaustion.

Footnotes

[1] Named for St. Clabbert of Ireland, patron saint of those afflicted with lycanthropy.

[2] This name derives from the tribal chieftain Big-Foot, who was the first Ape-Man to make contact with Spanish explorers.

 
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Novo Polonia, the worst dictatorship mankind has ever known.

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I know that this is a bit long to stretch back, but I just wanted to let people know that this is actually based on an AH series on YouTube right now called The Rising Phoenix. The end of Nova Polonia hasn't occurred yet, but everything else is accurate to the story.
 
Inspired by this thread, I edited a map of Czechoslovakia to use Polish placenames only.
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A few notes:

1. Although Presov has been called "Preszów" in Polish before, I decided to change it to Przeszów since an early "re" grouping is extremely uncommon in traditional Polish.
2. Klatavy i had no idea what to call, but based on the German name (Klattau) I decided upon Kłataw (Breslau -> Wrocław).
3. Brno is renamed Błotno to match the etymological hypothesis of old Czech. The word brnic -> Brno, so Polish błocić -> Błotno.
4. I didn't use the common modern Polish names for a few cities because some are simply re-written using Polish orthography (ie Karlowy Wary is not a proper translation of the name, it is just Karlovy Vary written in Polish).
 
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The personal union of Henry IX, son of Henry VIII & Anne of Kleve just before the French wars of Religion
How do the titles go for this? Despite the loss of Calais here, I imagine their might still be a claim on France. Wondering more though if in the titles it has Henry as King of England and Elector of Cologne as the main titles or if something else is used to refer to the Rhenish areas. Seems Cologne could be more fully swallowed up in the oncoming religious war. An unlikely scenario (though mostly due to Henry’s health and the lack of sexual interest between him and Anne), but it would be fascinating to see what the religion repercussions would be. Suppose part of why I am thinking of those bishoprics vanishing. Henry VIII did so love to swallow up those lands, as well as kill Catholics and Protestants of all stripes, though presumably he will have no part in this stuff in mainland Europe. Hopefully things turn out well for England and they don’t end up hermorging money and troops from the wars with France. Spinning off Namur and Liege might be in the interests of both parties, though it depends if Henry focuses on England and Germany while France goes for Italy. Doing a sequel?
 
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Map representing the control of territory in the opening stages of the Spanish Civil War - Orange denotes the territories controlled by Franco and the Nationalists while Yellow represents Republican territory.
 
The wider world of my Florida maps. I should do a graphical timeline for these.

The lands that comprise the republics of Roanoke and Muscogee were once the core of the CSA. But after Confederate defeat in the Second Great War, the USA vowed it would never again permit any threat to it to emerge from the south. Some US leaders argued for restoring the southern states to the Union they had once belonged to, but others were concerned about what that might mean politically and demographically for the US homeland. Annexation of all the former CSA states was undesirable, clearly no revived CSA could ever be allowed to exist...the compromise was to break up the CSA into four new countries, while the USA annexed certain territories (northern Virginia, the Mississippi river basin and the port of New Orleans) that were particularly strategic. It was hoped that in time, new loyalties to new countries would replace the Confederate nationalism that had wreaked such damage to North America; and if not, well, the new countries were too small to be much threat, US military bases remained in all of them, and US secret intelligence and its informants thoroughly penetrated every aspect of the new countries' societies.

The Republic of Roanoke was formed out of most of Virginia, the Carolinas, and the eastern portion of Tennessee. It was the first post-Confederate nation to gain independence and is the closest to a functioning democracy today. The Republic of Muscogee was formed by the rest of Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi. From its beginning it has been torn apart by racial violence and white-nationalist terrorism. In an attempt to bring about reasonably peaceful coexistence, in the sixties it was decided to divide the country into eight states, of which three would have a black majority, and to enshrine that the constitution could only be changed by a 3/4 majority vote of the states, so at least 2 black-ruled states had to agree with any constitutional reform. Racist reactionaries hated this system, and in the nineties, as the USA reduced its control over the south, they took extreme steps to abolish it. White supremacist militias invaded the black states, removed the black-majority state governments, called for a national referendum on a new constitution (which was a sure thing to pass in the white-majority states), and held a fraudulent election in which violence kept black voters away from the polls and the white minority in those three states voted for the new constitution, in the process voting their states out of existence. The Muscogee government, ruled by revanchist leaders obsessed with restoring the CSA, restored the old state borders in anticipation of that event and passed legislation that makes it extremely difficult for black citizens to vote.

In both of the "artificial republics," support for restoring the CSA is widespread among white voters. The USA would probably step in militarily to prevent that if it ever looked likely, and, knowing that, the pro-unification parties content themselves with lesser measures like a free-trade area that uses a single currency and eliminates all border controls between the two countries.
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Hey guys, this is my first world map ever, based on rvbomally's 'Sailpunk' basemap. It's an Age of Exploration paleofuture, with some mythpunk thrown in. Hope you enjoy :)

The year is 1900, more than two hundred years after a very different Age of Exploration came to an end. These days, much of the work force is comprised of homunculi (colloquially known as 'muncs'), foot-high humans grown in jars. This tiny race of manmade laborers are noted for their lack of hair and nails, their translucent skin, and their distinct, unpleasant odour, thought to be a result of the complex alchemical substances involved in their creation. Homunculi are completely sterile, and age at a faster rate than their womb-born counterparts, rarely living past the twenty-year mark. The muncs have very little in the way of human rights (old-fashioned games such as 'kick the munc' and 'munc tossing' remain popular to this day) - little surprise perhaps that there have been so many homunculus uprisings in the last few years, and as a result, they are slowly being phased out in favour of the much more efficient - not to mention far less rebellious - clockwork automatons (or 'tommies'). Notably, a number of businesses refuse to profit from homunculus labour - not out of any concern for their treatment or well-being mind, but because are Morally Opposed™ to munc-making, seeing it as playing God.

The oceans are inhabited by ship-sinking krakens (some species of which have tentacles long enough to damage low-flying aircraft) and turtles big enough to be mistaken for islands, something TTL's Polynesians learned the hard way. Mermaids exist, although they're a far cry from the aquatic beauties of nautical lore (being more reminiscent of the Deep Ones than Ariel) and can be found in various scattered schools across the world's oceans, communicating with each other in a series of indecipherable hoots and whistles. Contrary to popular belief, male mermaids do exist, although they are decidedly less intelligent than their female counterparts, and are usually killed, and either fully partially consumed by their partners after mating. Mermaid hunting is increasingly common (the Church's official stance is that the seagoing she-devils do not have souls, meaning that killing them is fair game), and their blood is presently the most popular drug of choice amongst society's upper crust.

Mermaid blood, sometimes known as 'fish juice' is ingested orally, and is usually mixed in with tea or coffee - drinking it with alcohol is not recommended. It is usually harvested from female specimens (with that produced by males generally considered to be of inferior quality). On top of inducing an intense euphoria in humans, mermaid blood is known to hold certain anti-ageing properties, preventing skin from wrinkling and hair from turning grey. Unfortunately, fish juice is also highly addictive, and can lead to a number of nasty side effects. These include (but are not limited to) strong aversion to sunlight, stabbing chest pains, loss of libido, severe obsessive-compulsive behaviour, and delusion (the most commonly reported being an inability to recognize one's own reflection in a mirror). Interestingly, vegetables such as onions (especially garlic) have proven highly effective in treating persons struggling with addiction to mermaid blood.

In recent years, much of western Europe has been devastated by an epidemic of lycanthropy, a strange disease which is common in canine species, and can be transmitted to humans through bites and scratches. Lycanthropy does not kill its human victims, but grotesquely disfigures them both physically and mentally: within 24 hours of exposure, infected persons (known as lycans, colloquially called dogmen) will experience rapid hair growth over their entire bodies, and in the following days, their minds will slowly degrade into a violent, primitive, animal-like state. Although there is no cure for lycanthropy, there is one silver lining to their condition: every full moon, lycans will temporarily regain their mental faculties (usually retaining little memory of their time in their wolf-state). Sadly, in some communities, it is still common practice for lycans to be purged (along with all dogs and wolves) in order to prevent the disease from spreading.

In response to this ongoing plague, the Catholic Church has established a number of settlements known as lycan colonies (also called clabbert houses[1], or lycanthropariums), where the infected are sent to be cared for by Christian monks. Living conditions in lycan colonies are generally fairly poor, although during a full moon, once their sanity has returned, inmates may be bathed and groomed (all that fur gets itchy), receive meals of their choice, have access to reading/writing materials should they request them, and (very occasionally) may be visited by family members. Inmates in lycan houses are segregated by sex, as the dogmen are capable of producing genetically normal offspring (which they are fiercely defensive of). Most lycan colonies are located far away from any populated areas (there have been countless cases of inmates attacking their carers in their wolf-state and escaping into the wild, sometimes even joining packs).

Just as early New World cartographers speculated, California is of course an island, formerly inhabited to a race of hairy, nine-foot humanoids. Known variously as the Ape-Men, Sasquatch, Nephilim, and Bigfoots[2], these nocturnal carnivores once numbered in their tens of thousands, and lived a peaceful, nomadic existence. The Ape-Men were the first ones to domesticate the jackalope, which they (and later Europeans) used as beasts of burden. Sadly, following the arrival of the first Spanish colonists, the Ape-Men were entirely wiped out by human diseases, although if the rumours are to be believed, a small number of survivors may exist in the Californian forests, far away from the gold-rich human cities.

Lying at the bottom of the world is the partially-frozen land mass of Antipodia, which has been depicted on world maps long before its shores were first sighted by European sailors in the early seventeenth century. Historically, Antipodia has been known by a variety of names, including Pymland, New Arkham, and (most commonly), Terra Australis. Being than twice the size of Africa, Antipodia is the world's largest continent, and was settled by humans roughly forty thousand years ago. The continent is host to a vast array of weird flora and fauna, such as vampiric trees (used by some native tribes for sacrificial purposes, or as a particularly torturous form of execution), venomous dropbears, carnivorous bunyips, and colossal duck-billed platypuses (which have been domesticated for millennia, and are ridden by aboriginals for fast transit across both land and water).
The oldest and most sophisticated culture on Antipodia is the Tsalal Empire, whose territories cover much of the continent (although the European powers have each claimed their share of land). Far from the barbaric savages early explorers were expecting, thd Tsalal's rich culture continues to fascinate European scholars to this day, and their customs, artwork and mythology have been written about extensively by such authors as Chambers and Valdron. The Tsalal refer to their homeland as Tchortcha, from where we get the word tcho-tcho, a name (widely seen as offensive) for someone of Antipodian heritage (the Tsalal, in turn, have been known to refer to Europeans derogatively as tekelilis, literally translated as 'snow-skins'). The Tsalal are renowned for their unique fashion, with their nobility dressing only in the finest, most beautifully woven silks produced by the giant arachnids of the Oriab Isles (without much concern for the painful rash it leaves behind).

For millennia, the Tsalal have been ruled by an absolute monarch known as a hastur, who reigns from the black palace of Leng in the imperial capital city of Tsal which, prior to the onslaught of a devastating epidemic of Poe's Disease (colloquially known as the Red Death), was the most populous city on the globe. The first person to hold the title of hastur was Qarvkeh, a semi-legendary figure who is said to have been born in a village near Lake Hali, where he was abandoned at birth, and raised in the pouch of a sabre-toothed kangaroo, later returning and vanquishing the Tsalal's oldest enemies, the vile yowies, to the Southern Wastes. The mythical hero is sometimes known as the 'King in Yellow' (he is said to have only ever dressed in the one colour in honour of his wife, who died of old age whilst he was still young, and was rarely seen without her favourite yellow flower in her hair). Other hasturs of note include the Nekmut the Mayfly (who suffered a fatal epileptic attack mere hours into his reign), Noscrot the Eunuch (received this unique epithet following his castration at the hands of a jealous lover), and Zadmig the Wicked (a brutal tyrant who died from hysterical laughter at the sight of a servant child being eaten alive by a royal dingo).

A surprisingly small number of hasturs have been murdered throughout the Empire's long history - perhaps the most notable of whom was the illegitimate king known Kelraf the Imposter, who ascended to the throne by masquerading as the son of the late Tcharu the Lame (his reign lasted fifteen years, only ending when he accidentally confessed his true identity after drinking too much mushroom wine from the plains of Iuggoth, and was later executed). The Tsalal people revere penguins as the ancient Egyptians did cats (indeed, their religion claims that when the Earth was young, before the sun had been created, a penguin god that sat upon the planet as if it were its own egg, thus keeping it warm). They are also renowned for their architectural prowess, constructing such wonders as so-called 'Sphinx of the South', an immense black statue of a mythical creature known as a wahtefuq (a monster which has the head of a kangaroo, the body of a sealion, the wings of an albatross, and a snake for a tongue).

In the last century, the Tsalal Empire has opened up trade routes with all major European powers, selling itchy spidersilk, yummy red yams, and the mysterious plant known as kaddatha (known to outsiders as dreamweed), a narcotic rivaling mermaid blood in terms of popularity. When smoked, kaddatha causes the user to fall into a deep sleep, from which they will be unable to awaken from until its effects have worn off. In this state, the user will experience extremely vivid dreams which they have total control over, allowing them to live out their every fantasy in a safe environment. Although kaddatha is not physically addictive, taking it regularly is not recommended - smoking the drug too often has been known to result in the user losing control of their dreamstate, often with frightening results, and while dreamweed users cannot come to any physical harm while sleep, the pain they feel in these dreams will seem very real indeed. There have been cases of kaddatha smokers experiencing intense nightmares from which they cannot awaken even months or years after they have used the drug, and stories are told of sailors too terrified to sleep, ultimately dying of exhaustion.

Footnotes

[1] Named for St. Clabbert of Ireland, patron saint of those afflicted with lycanthropy.

[2] This name derives from the tribal chieftain Big-Foot, who was the first Ape-Man to make contact with Spanish explorers.

Wait, so this version of the tsalal are actually sane?
 
A worlda cover of the ASB thread: We Will Conquer the Entire World! By Zagan. Again, the timeline is not by me, and this is just a worlda cover of the map.
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How do the titles go for this? Despite the loss of Calais here, I imagine their might still be a claim on France. Wondering more though if in the titles it has Henry as King of England and Elector of Cologne as the main titles or if something else is used to refer to the Rhenish areas. Seems Cologne could be more fully swallowed up in the oncoming religious war. An unlikely scenario (though mostly due to Henry’s health and the lack of sexual interest between him and Anne), but it would be fascinating to see what the religion repercussions would be. Suppose part of why I am thinking of those bishoprics vanishing. Henry VIII did so love to swallow up those lands, as well as kill Catholics and Protestants of all stripes, though presumably he will have no part in this stuff in mainland Europe. Hopefully things turn out well for England and they don’t end up hermorging money and troops from the wars with France. Spinning off Namur and Liege might be in the interests of both parties, though it depends if Henry focuses on England and Germany while France goes for Italy. Doing a sequel?
My thinking was that Cologne would go Protestant as it would later in OTL but, this time successfully, however it would be stripped of it's electoral title if France does not retain the title of Emperor. Assuming it does that opens the door for far more German involvement in the French Wars of Religion including the possibility of an early 30yrs War.
I also imagine Henry IX placing his sister, Elizabeth, as Regent in the Duchies whilst Mary marries Philip of Spain.
I foresee Henry supporting the Huguenot/Protestant cause in the upcoming Religious Wars but pressing claims to more than Calais might stretch his alliances with the Huguenots.
There is a possibility of the secularization of many of the Church lands if Henry gets his way but that is going to be down to Elizabeth's diplomacy. BTW, I don't think she will have the luxury of not marrying in this TL, any suggestions for a husband?
Scotland will remain a thorn in England's side if Henry has issue so his marriage is vital too.

Considering a sequel as I do my OTL histories.
 
My thinking was that Cologne would go Protestant as it would later in OTL but, this time successfully, however it would be stripped of it's electoral title if France does not retain the title of Emperor. Assuming it does that opens the door for far more German involvement in the French Wars of Religion including the possibility of an early 30yrs War.
I also imagine Henry IX placing his sister, Elizabeth, as Regent in the Duchies whilst Mary marries Philip of Spain.
I foresee Henry supporting the Huguenot/Protestant cause in the upcoming Religious Wars but pressing claims to more than Calais might stretch his alliances with the Huguenots.
There is a possibility of the secularization of many of the Church lands if Henry gets his way but that is going to be down to Elizabeth's diplomacy. BTW, I don't think she will have the luxury of not marrying in this TL, any suggestions for a husband?
Scotland will remain a thorn in England's side if Henry has issue so his marriage is vital too.

Considering a sequel as I do my OTL histories.
Not sure on who Elizebeth would be bethrothed too. Seems she might not have independent lands of her own, and thus a husband might expect her to come live with them or just not be interested in her. She is a bit less highly ranked here certainly, though I suppose she would be similarly at third in line for the throne depending on how early Edward died. If Edward was King of England and Ireland while Henry was the heir through his mother’s side to Guelders, could be his elder sister was brought along. True, Henry VIII went with the Church of England idea partially as there was no religious group in mainland Europe that did not see his marriage to Catherine of Aragorn as valid, but people might be able to brush that under the rug. Or just blame women more, as historians were oft to do back then to make the kings look better. Might be Elizabeth stays unmarried for a while (depends how old Henry is when getting power( or there is some match with the French or Scottish). Who controls Luxembourg and Zeeland-Brabant here? Also, did England support Guelders in their wars here due to Henry, Duke of York? Given how often alliances changed during Tudor times, I am unsure who Edward and Henry would try to ally with. So many variables.
 
Here's an alternative map of post-WWII Europe, where the Wallies made better progress in the east, consequence: the Iron Curtain is located at the level of the Vistula, between Czechia and Slovakia, Dobroudja remains Romanian, and Bulgaria is pro-Wally. Note in this map that Istria remains Italian, Finland has remained neutral and therefore keeps Petsamo, Germany keeps Pomerania and Silesia and Cyprus is shared between Greeks and Turks.

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Here's an alternative map of post-WWII Europe, where the Wallies made better progress in the east, consequence: the Iron Curtain is located at the level of the Vistula, between Czechia and Slovakia, Dobroudja remains Romanian, and Bulgaria is pro-Wally. Note in this map that Istria remains Italian, Finland has remained neutral and therefore keeps Petsamo, Germany keeps Pomerania and Silesia and Cyprus is shared between Greeks and Turks.

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Ooh, cool.

Assuming that the border follows the river, what is the status of the river? Is it legally internationalized? Are the banks bristling with emplacements?
 
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The timeline itself is not meant to be realistic. This idea is still in process.
If anyone of you wonders what the POD is still, its What if the 2008 Recession was worse.


The 2008 Economic crash and the coming second great depression were unexpected and some consider the new depression as the causes for the "Post-Modern world". The United States economy would suffer heavily, and its politics would become more divided than it is in your world. In Russia, Putin was assassinated and instead of recreating a democracy would create a worse dictatorship. The EU was in chaos, and while the UK did an early Brexit which accidentally cause Scotland to end their union of England.

In Afganistan, the war comes to an end with the republic and the Taliban being overthrown and re-establishing the kingdom of Afganistan. The Somalian civil war would end with most of the southern region falling into total anarchy. In 2011 Arab spring occurred and you know what happens next. Brazil in 2011 would face a coup and a dictatorship was form. In the US extremism on both left, right and even centralist. With many EU states leaving the EU, the remaining ones united, saving their economies as well as becoming a power. In 2016, a group is known as the Unitarnioust and Legionist and other of their supporters would launch a coup on the US. This kickstarts a 5-year war between the US government and the Legionist. Canada would seize Alaska in order to get that delicious oil and to help their economies. The ebola virus would also spread faster in African nations (Never really spread out of Africa). This would cause some apocalyptic effects in west Africa causing many of them to fall into anarchy. Iran meanwhile would face a civil war with it becoming Iraq 2 but Iran is the USA.

With a world in chaos, The United Nations would fail to help the world causing many nations to leave it. By 2019 there are less than 25 States left in the UN. China and Russian relationships would quickly turn tense as a 2nd cold war begin (America would support both as long as they get guns). in 2016 a group of strange monarchists would turn the UK into an absolute monarchy, dissolving the parliament. in 2018 Venezuela would fall into a civil war. 2020 was worse than this year. While some places like Canada and Australia would do better with the coronavirus than in the OTL, The rest of the world wasn't lucky. Since their economy is worse than ours they would be overwhelmed with it. The US still being in the civil war couldn't help with the victims and both sides would restart to committing several crimes against humanity on those who have the virus. In 2020 the fighting in the US got worse as several uprising on both sides and several other factions and warlord emerges. if 2020 couldn't get bad enough, on December 18, 2020, Relations with China and the Russians would blow over causing a limited nuclear exchange. An estimated 400ish Million died in the nuclear exchange (Just a reminder that it was a limited nuclear exchange. India and Pakistan also blow each other up, causing several states to leave India. Kashmir also declares independence from both states. Eurasia was mostly affected and western Europe did felt much). This spark a refugee crisis worse than ours. Also, Lybia civil war ended with a House of Representatives victory. Syria ended with the government winning. Yemen was puppted by Saudi Arabia.

By March 2021, the war in America ended with the Unitarionist and Legionist victory and the creation of the United Legions of America. Russia and China are in dissare with the CCP being overthrown. The EU has emerged from this crisis. Canada and Australia are okay. South Africa has become a white oligarchy. Africa is in bloody hell. Brazil is a dictatorship and south Africa may face another war with each other (Pax America and the monore act is dead). The world here bloody sucks
 
The timeline itself is not meant to be realistic. This idea is still in process.
If anyone of you wonders what the POD is still, its What if the 2008 Recession was worse.


The 2008 Economic crash and the coming second great depression were unexpected and some consider the new depression as the causes for the "Post-Modern world". The United States economy would suffer heavily, and its politics would become more divided than it is in your world. In Russia, Putin was assassinated and instead of recreating a democracy would create a worse dictatorship. The EU was in chaos, and while the UK did an early Brexit which accidentally cause Scotland to end their union of England.

In Afganistan, the war comes to an end with the republic and the Taliban being overthrown and re-establishing the kingdom of Afganistan. The Somalian civil war would end with most of the southern region falling into total anarchy. In 2011 Arab spring occurred and you know what happens next. Brazil in 2011 would face a coup and a dictatorship was form. In the US extremism on both left, right and even centralist. With many EU states leaving the EU, the remaining ones united, saving their economies as well as becoming a power. In 2016, a group is known as the Unitarnioust and Legionist and other of their supporters would launch a coup on the US. This kickstarts a 5-year war between the US government and the Legionist. Canada would seize Alaska in order to get that delicious oil and to help their economies. The ebola virus would also spread faster in African nations (Never really spread out of Africa). This would cause some apocalyptic effects in west Africa causing many of them to fall into anarchy. Iran meanwhile would face a civil war with it becoming Iraq 2 but Iran is the USA.

With a world in chaos, The United Nations would fail to help the world causing many nations to leave it. By 2019 there are less than 25 States left in the UN. China and Russian relationships would quickly turn tense as a 2nd cold war begin (America would support both as long as they get guns). in 2016 a group of strange monarchists would turn the UK into an absolute monarchy, dissolving the parliament. in 2018 Venezuela would fall into a civil war. 2020 was worse than this year. While some places like Canada and Australia would do better with the coronavirus than in the OTL, The rest of the world wasn't lucky. Since their economy is worse than ours they would be overwhelmed with it. The US still being in the civil war couldn't help with the victims and both sides would restart to committing several crimes against humanity on those who have the virus. In 2020 the fighting in the US got worse as several uprising on both sides and several other factions and warlord emerges. if 2020 couldn't get bad enough, on December 18, 2020, Relations with China and the Russians would blow over causing a limited nuclear exchange. An estimated 400ish Million died in the nuclear exchange (Just a reminder that it was a limited nuclear exchange. India and Pakistan also blow each other up, causing several states to leave India. Kashmir also declares independence from both states. Eurasia was mostly affected and western Europe did felt much). This spark a refugee crisis worse than ours. Also, Lybia civil war ended with a House of Representatives victory. Syria ended with the government winning. Yemen was puppted by Saudi Arabia.

By March 2021, the war in America ended with the Unitarionist and Legionist victory and the creation of the United Legions of America. Russia and China are in dissare with the CCP being overthrown. The EU has emerged from this crisis. Canada and Australia are okay. South Africa has become a white oligarchy. Africa is in bloody hell. Brazil is a dictatorship and south Africa may face another war with each other (Pax America and the monore act is dead). The world here bloody sucks
Jesus christ, did they carpet-nuke the North China Plain?
 
Jesus christ, did they carpet-nuke the North China Plain?
Yeah Kinda. Its mostly radiation spreading out of china. Also forgot to add it to the desc the resulting nuke of it has cause famine in China which has resorted to asking big corporations which have become super corrupt thanks to the second depression. for food.
 
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