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Damn I didn't realize Greece wasn't that populated but yeah, 10M Greeks and 12M Turks. And I doubt the relationship will be friendly if they turn to mass expulsions to reduce that number (colonialism/segregation/ethnic cleansing yay!)
I'm curious as to for how long this has been the case that Greece annexing all of Thrace would make Muslims the majority 🤔
It's just something that always struck me as particularly odd about the idea of making Istanbul part of Greece which seems to be such a trope in AH. Istanbul outnumbers the rest of Greece so it would really be like making Greece part of Istanbul.

I would imagine Muslims would have been the majority in any combination of Greece and Istanbul since roughly 1700 at least. Istanbul is ridiculously large and has been for hundreds of years
 
Damn I didn't realize Greece wasn't that populated but yeah, 10M Greeks and 12M Turks. And I doubt the relationship will be friendly if they turn to mass expulsions to reduce that number (colonialism/segregation/ethnic cleansing yay!)

Well, the formation of the independent states of Greece, Bulgaria, and Serbia from the Ottoman Empire involved large-scale ethnic cleansing pretty much from the start, so it's not like this would be anything new. Really, I can't see any scenario in which Greece gains Constantinople in the late 19th or early 20th century that doesn't involve mass expulsions of Muslims.

I would imagine Muslims would have been the majority in any combination of Greece and Istanbul since roughly 1700 at least. Istanbul is ridiculously large and has been for hundreds of years

No, Greece in 1913 had about 4.7 million while Greater Constantinople had about 1.125 million in 1914. (Still too many Muslims for them to tolerate). The Ottoman census of 1914, at least as reported by Wikipedia, counts about 1.6 million in Europe. Like many capitals or otherwise dominant cities in the developing world, Istanbul's population ballooned wildly in the 20th century.
 
Istanbul had been one of a handful of "world cities" up till the late 18th century, when European urban centers began to expand enormously, taking away its special status over the 19th century. The demographic boom brought on by modern agriculture, modern medicine, etc. came to the non-European world with a considerable delay, so most of Asia expanded fairly slowly in the 19th century (China already had it's pre-modern population boom before the 19th century, and was hitting hard limits on the capacity of its technology to feed more people) while Europe raced ahead. Europe before WWI was at it's relative demographic peak: there were more Europeans (and European-derived groups in the Americas) as a percentage of the world's population than they ever would be again. (An extra edge to add to Europe's other advantages in the New Imperialism era, I suppose).
 
It's just something that always struck me as particularly odd about the idea of making Istanbul part of Greece which seems to be such a trope in AH. Istanbul outnumbers the rest of Greece so it would really be like making Greece part of Istanbul.

I would imagine Muslims would have been the majority in any combination of Greece and Istanbul since roughly 1700 at least. Istanbul is ridiculously large and has been for hundreds of years
Propaganda is strong. As late as 1996 it was being used to allow war crimes and ethic cleansing in the Balkans because, to some observers, Muslims "don't belong" in Europe. It's no accident the Megali Idea targets only Turkey and Albania. Definitely not saying any mapmaker thinks that, just that the idea has passed on insidiously.
 
Alternative Map For Europe (Have Some Troubles With Some Edits & Feel Free To Re-Edit In Any Way) =
First off, don't capitalise every word like that.
I'd suggest you look for better sources of maps, like the WorldA, Quarter-BAM and QBAM templates on this forum. Furthermore, you could base new borders off existing historical or subdivision borders, but I'll give you slack this time as the map you worked with didn't have any.
[1] United Kingdom (Kind Of The Same) + [2] Ireland (Given Part Of United Kingdom) + [3] Norway (No Change) + [4] Sweden (No Change) +
You don't need to label them all like that, just highlight the interesting bits.
[17] North Italy (Need Alternative Name) + [18] South Italy (Need Alternative Name)
Padania for north Italy. The south can stay as Italy (as it still has Rome), or it could be called Naples or something like that.
[23] Romania (United With Moldova & Part Of Ukraine)
Pretty close to Greater Romania, all you need
[28] Greece (Given Part Of Turkey)
While other people have pointed that that part of Turkey would have more people that all of Greece, it could be justifiable in an alternate history; it used to have large Greek populations. However, you could just as easily go full on Megali Idea.
 
Well technically you couldn't do that anyway since as you approach the speed of light, a single hydrogen atom will carry a force equivalent to a nuclear bomb, a supernova, and a quasar as you get faster and faster so it doesn't really make sense to talk about what happens if you hit an object faster than the speed of light.

Most proposals for how FTL could work (and most fiction, including Star Wars pre-Disney) have you go into a parallel dimension or otherwise "fold" the universe through means like a wormhole, so you're never going anywhere near the speed of light in this universe. I think wormholes are probably the most hard science fiction since our understanding of black holes and singularities is still very poor (compared to what it likely could be if we had toys like a particle accelerator around the Sun or the energy to make artificial black holes) so it gives the writer room to insert plausible-sounding technobabble.
Honestly, even that could be mitigated if one decides that already-occurring wormholes can be forecasted (perhaps even induced under the right conditions) and utilized, but not strictly created. I.E. no shenanigans with "shipping" one end into a star to make system-sized flamethrowers or the like, or building planet-to-planet gateways without making damn sure there won't be huge frame-to-frame variances (with catastrophic consequences). Has the advantage of relative scientific plausibility, sets technobabble-light technological limits on the setting (no need to address the angels-vs-cavemen problem), and introduces a pseudo-geographic narrative dynamic (like highways, chokepoints, and the possibility of blockades).
 
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The Lands of the House Habsburg-Luxemburg within the Holy Roman Empire at their peak, ca. 1420 CE
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The Lands of the House Habsburg-Luxemburg within the Holy Roman Empire at their peak, ca. 1420 CE
(Nice-Memel)
Very nice map that you made!

That looks like an administrator's nightmare, and a cartographer's terror. :p
On the contrary. For my part, I greatly appreciate the internal borders of the Holy Empire and the possibilities they offer for alternative history. 🙂

Very fine, but somewhat lacking in Luxemburg.
OTL the Habsburgs have succeeded in reigning over Europe while having lost the family castle in Switzerland. 😏
 

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Alternative Map for East Asia (Have Some Troubles With Some Edits & Feel Free To Re-Edit In Any Way) =
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[1] China (The Communist Party) + [2] Korea (United With North & South) + [3] Taiwan (The Nationalist Party) + [4] Mongolia (No Charge) + [5] Kazakhstan (Kind Of The Same) + [6] Uzbekistan (No Charge) + [7] Turkmenistan (No Charge) + [8] Kyrgyzstan (United With Tajikistan & Part Of Afghanistan) + [9] Afghanistan (Kind Of The Same) + [10] Pakistan (No Charge) + [11] India (United With Nepal & Bhutan & Bangladesh) + [12] Sri Lanka (Three Crowned Kings) + [13] Myanmar (Kind Of The Same) + [14] Thailand (Given Part Of Myanmar) + [15] Vietnam (United With Laos & Cambodia) + [16] Malaysia (United With Singapore) + [17] Philippines (No Charge) = "Have Japan, Indonesia, And Others In Oceania Instead".
 
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[1] China (The Communist Party) + [2] Korea (United With North & South) + [3] Taiwan (The Nationalist Party) + [4] Mongolia (No Charge) + [5] Kazakhstan (Kind Of The Same) + [6] Uzbekistan (No Charge) + [7] Turkmenistan (No Charge) + [8] Kyrgyzstan (United With Tajikistan & Part Of Afghanistan) + [9] Afghanistan (Kind Of The Same) + [10] Pakistan (No Charge) + [11] India (United With Nepal & Bhutan & Bangladesh) + [12] Sri Lanka (Three Crowned Kings) + [13] Myanmar (Kind Of The Same) + [14] Thailand (Given Part Of Myanmar) + [15] Vietnam (United With Laos & Cambodia) + [16] Malaysia (United With Singapore) + [17] Philippines (No Charge) = "Have Japan, Indonesia, And Others In Oceania Instead".
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