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The equivalent would be if I made a timeline about a new and improved America, renaming it the Republic of Yeezy, plastered Kanye's face on every single wall, cereal box and national celebration, then somehow presumed to call it anywhere near respectful of America's rich culture and storied history. It's absurd.
"rich culture and storied history". Okay.

That sounds like a great idea tbh. Plus I've seen Hatsunia for like at least a year on dA, always seemed cool and an obvious anime reference that did not reduce Japanese culture only to anime as you say it does.
 
I get it, not everything in Hatsunia should be related to Miku, but that's not even a fair comparison.

No one has made a faux-retro painting of Kanye West in the American Revolution or Civil War, but a Japanese artist created an authentic Edo-style woodblock print of Hatsune Miku.

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But nope, Miku is never associated with traditional Japanese cultural heritage. Not at all. /s

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Honestly I wanna see a woodblock painting of a modern city skyline. Heck, of modern Tokyo. It'd be very interesting.
 
And the 3rd post, I attempted a shading relief experiment for my fantasy world setting. Behold:

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Not much to say, it is mostly a test. I also retroactively added shaded relief to one of my older maps:

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I may as such use it in future maps.
 
"rich culture and storied history". Okay.

That sounds like a great idea tbh. Plus I've seen Hatsunia for like at least a year on dA, always seemed cool and an obvious anime reference that did not reduce Japanese culture only to anime as you say it does.
Anti-weebs like to say that "weebs only care about anime and ignore that Japan is one of the most xenophobic and overworked societies on Earth."
At first, Hatsunia didn't really have any serious aspects to it, but I did recognize those problems and that is why I wanted to turn Hatsunia into a country that hypothetically addresses Japanese social and economic issues and wasn't only about anime.
 
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Anti-weebs like to say "weebs only care about anime and ignore that Japan is one the most xenophobic societies on Earth." At first, Hatsunia didn't really have serious aspects to it, but that is why I wanted to turn Hatsunia into a country that hypothetically addresses Japanese social issues.
I will be honest and mention I looked at it only for the maps, but if I go around making a country led by a fictional character does not mean said country's culture is reduced to only the genre that character is from.
 

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I'm sorry mate.

Your TL has Japan shaped in the form of Hatsune Miku's hair, and has a flag with a leek on it--the overt references are there, and removing a few pictures isn't going to change the fact that you've essentially reduced Japanese culture to Hatsune Miku. Nor is it much possible to remove these references without making Hatsunia not Hatsunia.

You do have good intentions behind your TL, and I understand that, but that doesn't change how racist it really comes off as. Purely by the inclusion of Hatsune Miku in this central form, this depiction, this appreciation feels like if like college white kids opted to appreciate native American culture by performing a ghost dance. I don't understand how a few responses by Japanese users on pixiv is supposed to imply implicit consent to that.

It's just that I've never been told by a Japanese person that what I was doing was racist and disrespectful to their culture. There was only the assumption that they would be offended, and that too was never brought up until recently.

(I'm also not assuming every Japanese person is a fan of Miku or would like Hatsunia either)
Okay, since there has been a report on this issue I need someone to explain to me WHAT THE HELL is going on.
 
Okay, since there has been a report on this issue I need someone to explain to me WHAT THE HELL is going on.
I never believed that "Japanese culture is only about Hatsune Miku and anime." Hatsunia was just a fictional parallel-universe country (like everything else on NationStates) that I made for fun at first, but I added serious elements to it later and toned down the Miku references.
 
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Okay, since there has been a report on this issue I need someone to explain to me WHAT THE HELL is going on.
Someone put a frankly high level of effort into a map, that is significantly influenced by something that is tangently related to Anime and the associated Culture within.
Someone else is offended because of their own predilection against said Art/Genre/Fandom/thing.
The issue is not one of offense, it is one of opinion with the opinion being then post-facto, using that Bias, used to then backtrack it to a state of the map being Racist...Somehow?

the TL;DR would be Anime map made, others did not like it.
 
Okay, since there has been a report on this issue I need someone to explain to me WHAT THE HELL is going on.
Snowflakes making a public showing rather than a respectful plea to the author in a civil manner behind closed doors and the ongoing (increasing?) over-use of the Report button.

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Snowflakes making a public showing rather than a respectful plea to the author in a civil manner behind closed doors and the ongoing (increasing?) over-use of the Report button.

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I fully agree. Bullies love making use of accusation of racism because 1) it's more likely to automatically make people dogpile on or view negatively the accused and 2) it usually puts the accused on their back foot by having to defend themselves against ridiculous accusations rather than being able to address the accuser's usually incorrect argument.
 
Someone put a frankly high level of effort into a map, that is significantly influenced by something that is tangently related to Anime and the associated Culture within.
Someone else is offended because of their own predilection against said Art/Genre/Fandom/thing.
The issue is not one of offense, it is one of opinion with the opinion being then post-facto, using that Bias, used to then backtrack it to a state of the map being Racist...Somehow?

the TL;DR would be Anime map made, others did not like it.
Sorry, I have to respond to this. I have no wish to get in on this argument but I want to clarify something. I don't recall XFE making any criticism of any genres here. You don't have to agree with XFE's argument but there is no reason to believe his criticism is done for any ulterior motive.
 
I didn't report it.

My argument is quoted as above.
Ya know, I didn't intentionally insinuate that it was you who reported, but I can see how it could be assumed that was my intent. I actually wasn't paying attention to the names of the commentors here, sorry. Regardless, however, what it reads like to me is someone who put a lot of effort into something they themselves find fascinating/great/whatever, and instead of saying "Hey great job, but could we maybe be a little more culturally respectful here?" it sounds more like "Uh, dude, wtf are you doing? How very dare you!"

I could be wrong, because it's often harder to read such intonations online - as I myself just apologized for ^^ - but, I dunno. I saw nothing wrong with the work myself, but I'm not exactly clued into anime fandom, Japanese culture (my Japanese sister-in-law can attest), or... ya know, I suppose what one might call 'regular human emotion.'
 
An implied Irish wank AND a San Marino wank as well? Excellent! (San Marino is that sorta alpine state extending from OTL Southern France to Croatia? It may be puny compared to Armenia, but proportionally speaking, it's an even bigger wank.)

Of course, when it comes to enemies, there's always the possible *Mongol Menace...
Yes, that's San Marino. The idea was that the OTL San Marinese republican system catches on in the post-Roman chaos period and a couple centuries later you have this huge state.
 
Sorry, I have to respond to this. I have no wish to get in on this argument but I want to clarify something. I don't recall XFE making any criticism of any genres here. You don't have to agree with XFE's argument but there is no reason to believe his criticism is done for any ulterior motive.
It was just a misunderstanding that jumped to conclusions. Hatsunia is a separate but similar country that exists in a parallel universe and was not meant to represent the idea that "all of Japanese culture can be boiled down to kawaii anime."
 
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Snowflakes making a public showing rather than a respectful plea to the author in a civil manner behind closed doors and the ongoing (increasing?) over-use of the Report button.

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Okay. Thanks to you and the other members who helped me out on this!

Based on the numerous explanations -

It would seem that reminder regarding accusations of racism may be called for in this thread.

Accusations of Racism are a serious matter. Before making such accusation, one needs to have PROOF of Racism (and no, a single Map is not proof, the map may be reportable/actionable on its own, frequently are, as regulars in these threads are aware but a single post is not PROOF of anything but a stupid decision in many cases). False accusations of racism are just as bad AS racism and are subject to the same sort of action(s).

Have your facts straight, ducks in a row, take it to the bank certain before you throw out that sort of accusation.
 
Originally I just wanted to make a map with a large Armenian Empire, since that is rarely done. Somewhere along the line I decided to add the Kartashyan dynasty. This is how it ended up. The POD is somewhere between 450 and 600 AD. Also, note that the cultural map is meant to be done from an in-universe perspective. I am aware that there is a big difference between the various Arctic and Siberian groups but is the Armenian census taker aware of that and if he is, does he care?

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My, my. How did the Armenians get that deep into Arabia quickly enough to keep Muhammad’s from getting into power?
 

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Sorry, I have to respond to this. I have no wish to get in on this argument but I want to clarify something. I don't recall XFE making any criticism of any genres here. You don't have to agree with XFE's argument but there is no reason to believe his criticism is done for any ulterior motive.
An understandable claim, and I think were all wanting to move on from this. To be clear however, we are both arguing from the crowd, while the actors themselves have more or less exited stage right as it were.
My statement of his distaste may be incorrect, however I am proposing that his intent comes from his own biases to the contrary, which only occurs based on my own perception of his posts, combined with a lack of refutation on XFE's part, by which I mean More than one person has perceived his negative view of Pipcards maps in the same light I have, and XFE has deigned not to provide a disagreement.
In other words I will continue to have the belief, based on my own judgement of XFE's statement, Until they directly state that my belief is incorrect. When that occurs I will apologize and alter my judgement accordingly.

I do however apologize for being a tad too Hamfisted, and reductive in my description of the situation, as it looks to have left a negative impact on your experiences here.

And with that I am now removing myself entirely from the matter.
 
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