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This is awesome, is there any timeline on it ?Crossposting from the MotF thread
India on the verge of a red-on-red civil war
The USPR has always had, among the various socialist states, a particularly diverse set of ideological variations, coexisting more-or-less peacefully in the country, working together under the guise of the Delhi-centric Politburo to establish a socialist economy from the feudal mess that India once was. Among the most prominent are the native Gandhian and Jinnahist variations of socialism, the mostly-principled and always-loyal opposition from the Leftists and Rightists (less different than you might imagine), the various proponents of a more federal system, popular among the more tribal regions and among more distinctive cultures in the country who are depreciatively known as "nationalists", although no genuine separatist is allowed anywhere near power nowadays, and, for some forsaken reason, even a few Trotskyist nuclei around some major cities and railways, who are mostly inoffensive anyway.
The Centralists, the Moscow-aligned and faithfully Stalinist line in Delhi, have allowed these oppositions to exist, unlike their own Moscow patrons, knowing full well they are weak enough not to present a genuine threat yet regionally strong enough to be too much of a bother to dislodge. This peace under the Centralists has existed for more than a decade now, but it seems that, after the latest reshuffling of Panchayat delegates, a change might be coming to Red India.
The problems started brewing due to a split in the Communist Party, that is, the breaking of one faction into two (both continuing to be members of the Communist Party, the only legal political party in the country), one that, interestingly enough, didn't even spring from Indian affairs, but rather, as a by-product of the increasingly hostile relation between Khrushchev's USSR, the traditional beacon for all world socialist movements, India's included, and Mao's PRC who, unlike its Soviet counterpart, rejected the denouncement of Stalin's legacy and the attempts at normalizing relations with the West, and criticized Khrushchev for revisionism and for collaborating with Western imperialism. This bitter split would, inevitably, reach the ranks of the Communist Party of India, as it found itself divided between the stalwart Centralists, defenders of the Moscow line at all times, and the newly-fledged Maoists, who turned to Mao Zedong as the new face of socialism in the Third World.
It went beyond that small political matter, of course. The split had deeper roots, based on differences of opinion between country and city (with many farmers, criticizing what they saw as Delhi focusing all efforts on cities, rather than in the agriculture regions of the country, siding with the Maoists who put greater emphasis on the revolutionary spirit of the Indian peasantry), opinions on the need for militancy (with the Maoists attracting many young Indians who were extremely energetic and warlike in the outlook towards society and the world) and even resentments towards the Centralist policy of making Hindi the language for running business in the government, while other languages struggled to be understood. Even without the Sino-Soviet split, the possibilities for internal struggle, between regions, between generations, between different political outlooks, would inevitably caught up with the Centralists and their ever-narrower popular appeal, as bureaucrats focused on responsible industrialization. India's first generation coming of age after the Revolution was growing up, and they were about to change everything.
The 1964 elections to the All-India Panchayat only confirmed what was already unavoidable: the Centralist faction, for the first time, did not hold the majority of districts, showing that plenty of regions around the country were displeased with their rule. Now, if this were a strict parliamentary democracy, that wouldn't be a problem in itself: the Centralists held a good plurality of the votes and could certainly work with other currents, further from the Maoists than from themselves even, to continue governing. But of course, autocracy can sometimes be more fickle, depending on the strength of your social basis to continue operating fine. And the Maoists happened to have a great deal of popularity among the youth and the youth happened to man the armies. Adding to that their support among the farmers of the country, and they had a power greater than their number of seats in the Panchayat. And, considering their love for militancy and action, it was quite clear that they would not restrain themselves to the bonds of legality and party unity for what they genuinely saw as a need to save the socialist world from a tide of revisionism stemming from Khrushchev all the way to their countries.
India was about to fall to one of the world's largest civil wars, after the Russian and Chinese ones. But this time, it wouldn't be a civil war between the forces of socialism and those of autocracy, or those of liberalism, but rather, a civil war between the forces of socialism and themselves.
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So basically I wanted a intra-communist civil war. You know, since the left has that whole thing about splitting up and fighting itself more than others). And since India does happen to have, shall we say, a healthy tradition of political fragmentation to the left, I thought it would be an ideal candidate for this. And since I had already had an idea for a United Raj - turned red, I decided to apply it here (the idea is that the various islands were just kept by the British or British-aligned forces and are sort of Taiwans, although I didn't really figure that into the election results)
This was a fun map to work, if a bit of a workload. I know some of the borders are silly, but what's a good map without some quirky borders, eh?
Anyway, I hope you all enjoy this map, as always comments and questions are welcomed
Two maps of the possible exchange of parts or all of Bavaria for the Austrian Netherlands inspired by This thread
ps: ignore everything else except for Europe
Since when is Bavaria a reddish shade? Especially since it is so similar to the Hapsburg/Austrian Purple. A nice light blue suits Bavaria more.
Meet the Empire of Hongrā'tihu (Dark Green), the Rangatiranue of Aokahurangi (Lime) and the Kingdom of Koredagim (Green), as of 1295.
Hongrā'tihu is a Maōri-led maritime Empire, populated mainly by Kanaks, although there is a sizeable Hamtai, Kunimaipa and oc Maōri population. It's population is mostly following Folk Religions, but Hinduism and Ragimārism (basically think Maōri Taoism) make up each a good part of the population.
Aokahurangi is a Maōri populated Maōri-led Rangatiranue, which means "Great Leader". It is a mostly Ragimārist state, with a big Orwōruaist (Polynesian Folk Religion) population in the mountainous regions. It is the military power of the continent, only bested by Hongrā'tihu in the navy.
Koredagim is one of the many Kingdoms of the Angahan Peninsula. It is populated by Dagas, a Southeast Papuan people OTL. It's split between Hinduist elites and commoners following folk religions.
Hopefully more is to come
It’s the Kingdom of Burgandy, as that was Charles-Theodore’s ambition
The map, even though blurry, has gotten me drooling. I love Zealandia-maps, I love alternate landmasses and I love digression into semi-fantastical stuff in AH.
It's almost perfect, if it wasn't for the weird bluriness of the map.And the lack of Bionicle references!
Anyway, I'll watch your career with great interest.
It's almost perfect, if it wasn't for the weird bluriness of the map.
Anyway, I'll watch your career with great interest.
New Sudan:
In this world, the independence of Sudan was delayed two years until 1957 as the British entered prolonged negotiations with southern Sudanese political leaders over whether to include the south provinces in a united, independent Sudan. Although negotiations ultimately fell flat, they provided an incentive for northern politicians to come to a compromise with the south: in the first post-independence constitution, adopted in 1959, Sudan would become a secular, federal republic with each of the nine constituent states given significant autonomy (in a move modeled on the U.S., each state government is allowed to designate two Senators, irrespective of population). Southern sensibilities would be respected even as states like Darfur would institute sharia law. In addition to setting the tone for less acrimonious relations between north and south, this series of events prevented the occurrence of the 1958 military coup (and all subsequent coups), Sudan's multiple civil wars, an Islamist takeover, the Darfur genocide, and the bifurcation of the state into countries. Instead, during the Cold War, Sudan served as a democratic Western ally against Soviet-aligned Ethiopia and Egypt (and with U.S. support, Sudan beats Egypt in a war over the disputed Hala'ib territory in 1991).
Though Sudan remains very much a third-world country, it has seen multiple decades of democratic stability and stronger support from the international community. By 2021, Sudan has a human development index on par with South Africa's.
Given that Sudan runs elections on a first-past-the-post basis, regional parties have typically had an outsized say in governance. Since independence, Sudan has also been ruled by either the Union Party or the Umma Party, with the second-largest party usually being from the South. This map depicts the results of an unusual election wherein the Umma party succeeded in preventing the right-most party, the Sudanese Islamic Front, from gaining a single seat, while the Union Party saw many of its would-be votes siphoned off by the left-most party, Next Generation Sudan. As a result, the Union Party lost even in traditional safe seats in Khartoum and, for the first time in the party's history, does not govern a single state. In the South, the long-reigning Liberal Party is currently trying to hide its internal fights over Christian identity politics (rather unpopular with Umma voters). This leaves the other two regional parties - the Sudan African National Union and the Beja Congress - as necessary allies for the Umma Party to form a government.
In this world, the independence of Sudan was delayed two years until 1957 as the British entered prolonged negotiations with southern Sudanese political leaders over whether to include the south provinces in a united, independent Sudan. Although negotiations ultimately fell flat, they provided an incentive for northern politicians to come to a compromise with the south: in the first post-independence constitution, adopted in 1959, Sudan would become a secular, federal republic with each of the nine constituent states given significant autonomy (in a move modeled on the U.S., each state government is allowed to designate two Senators, irrespective of population). Southern sensibilities would be respected even as states like Darfur would institute sharia law. In addition to setting the tone for less acrimonious relations between north and south, this series of events prevented the occurrence of the 1958 military coup (and all subsequent coups), Sudan's multiple civil wars, an Islamist takeover, the Darfur genocide, and the bifurcation of the state into countries. Instead, during the Cold War, Sudan served as a democratic Western ally against Soviet-aligned Ethiopia and Egypt (and with U.S. support, Sudan beats Egypt in a war over the disputed Hala'ib territory in 1991).
Though Sudan remains very much a third-world country, it has seen multiple decades of democratic stability and stronger support from the international community. By 2021, Sudan has a human development index on par with South Africa's.
Given that Sudan runs elections on a first-past-the-post basis, regional parties have typically had an outsized say in governance. Since independence, Sudan has also been ruled by either the Union Party or the Umma Party, with the second-largest party usually being from the South. This map depicts the results of an unusual election wherein the Umma party succeeded in preventing the right-most party, the Sudanese Islamic Front, from gaining a single seat, while the Union Party saw many of its would-be votes siphoned off by the left-most party, Next Generation Sudan. As a result, the Union Party lost even in traditional safe seats in Khartoum and, for the first time in the party's history, does not govern a single state. In the South, the long-reigning Liberal Party is currently trying to hide its internal fights over Christian identity politics (rather unpopular with Umma voters). This leaves the other two regional parties - the Sudan African National Union and the Beja Congress - as necessary allies for the Umma Party to form a government.
Nice to see an African state on a hopeful note. Love the graphics.
Star Wars: Little Earth Lost
The Rakata Empire, one of the first true interstellar civilizations, is one that is shrouded in mystery. What is known with certainty is that they were a race of slavers, who transported ancient humans across cosmic sea, allowing them to one day become the Galaxy's most numerous species. Before the year 5 BBY (or 2077 CE), few but the most enlightened individuals knew the answer to one of Galactic civilization's oldest questions: where do humans come from, anyway? Was it some idyllic, long-lost paradise, free from the ceaseless struggles of war and want? Unfortunately, the answer to that question turned out to be a resounding 'lol no'.
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It's a very different twenty-first century. This world diverges from our own history in 1973, and a decidedly more chaotic decade followed. Watergate happened pretty much as IOTL, although in the USSR, Brezhnev died a few years earlier, and his successor, Alexei Kosygin, credited with putting into place some much-needed economic reforms, which have allowed the Soviet Union to survive well into the twenty-first century. On September 22, US President Gerald Ford was shot in California by Sara Jane Moore, and died the following week from his injuries. At a time when trust in the American government was at an all-time low, it's not surprising that there were more conspiracy theories about the Ford assassination than that of JFK: after all, he had survived another murder attempt at the hands of Squeaky Fromme just a couple weeks other, which many believe was more than just coincidence.
To say President Rockefeller was a controversial one would be an understatement, although his administration received an outpour of sympathy in the wake of his predecessor's death, and he narrowly clinched the Republican nomination in 1976, ultimately losing to Arizona Representative Morris Udall. Unfortunately, Rocky wouldn't live to see his term out - two and a half years in office took its toll, and he died a couple years earlier than OTL, on January 11, 1977. Despite the White House's best efforts, it was soon confirmed that at his time of death, Rocky was sharing an intimate moment with a 23 year old White House aid, who took advantage of her newfound notoriety and became an actress (there is an old joke in this timeline - Q: What do Ford and Rockefeller have in common? A: Both were killed by women.) The remaining nine days of Rocky's term were overseen by Howard Baker, who holds the record for shortest term length of any President in history (William Henry Harrison, eat your heart out!)
Despite the rampant pollution typical of seventies paleofutures, this timeline has some cheerier aspects - there was no AIDS epidemic, and space travel has advanced to ASB degrees. There have been few significant space disasters since Apollo 13, at which even NASA scientists seem pleasantly surprised by - the last catastrophe occurred in the late 2040s, when much of Goddard Moonbase was taken out by a meteorite, but who could have seen that one coming? There are around seventy or so such lunar colonies, most of them owned by the US, USSR, China, Korea and the European powers (there is a European Commonwealth, although it's weaker than the European Union, and is mostly involved in overseeing space development).
The first manned landing on Mars occurred in the 2000s, and there are currently a scant few bases here and there. The first man to set foot on the red planet, Marvin 'The Martian' Madgett, would later become a Republican senator, and eventually, President (while Democrats aren't fans of his Diet Reagan economic policies, he is at least credited with getting the first Martian colonies up and running). The Democratic Party is generally more left-wing, and the Republicans are less religious, and more libertarian these days.
In 2025, two UFO enthusiasts visited the little-known town of Aurora, Texas, where they exhumed the grave site of what is now its most famous visitor. The pair, who could once have been described as a couple of obsessive kooks, are now widely praised as being responsible for what many have called the greatest discovery in the history of human civilization: the body of an extraterrestrial. Turns out all those Roswell enthusiasts were looking in the wrong state: in 1897, a freighter craft was hit by a hyperspace typhoon, winding up deep in the Unknown Regions. While the ship was badly damaged, and most of its crew dead, one lone occupant did manage to take it in Earth's direction, before departing in the ship's only an escape pod. The pod crashed outside Aurora, Texas, and the pilot (an Ugnaught, nowadays known as Frodo, due to his hobbit-like appearance) was buried with full Christian rites, and what little wreckage was left was thrown down a well. A decade later in 1908, the orbiting spacecraft collided with Earth in the vicinity of the Tunguska River, and despite receiving a mention in one newspaper, the event would not become widely known until more than 125 years later.
SETI was massively expanded, and has generally been more successful: it's widely acknowledged that there's a big galactic community somewhere out there, although unfortunately, we haven't had much luck with translating these messages (since the Galaxy produces just as much televised crap as we do, this may be for the best). Despite knowing with certainty that alien life (and humanoid life, at that) exists, few could have predicted the nightmare that was coming.
The Seven Hour War is something of a misnomer - the actual conflict lasted closer to five hours. 25 May, 2077 was a day that will live on in infamy, having seen the Earth and her modest off-world colonies forcibly integrated into the growing Galactic Empire. Many Earthlings have been shipped off world, some welcoming their new imperial overlords, some joining rebel forces. The fact that Earth was the true homeworld of all humankind was a closely kept secret, as it conflicted with Imperial propaganda, which clearly stated that Coruscant was humanity's home. Nonetheless, our little Earth lost is no longer so, even if its inhabitants yearn for the days when life on other worlds was seen as mere fantasy, and our planet faces an uncertain future.
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Gone Fishin'
Earlier you might have seen my cover of "Unterganf der Supermächte", a TNO fan scenario by Reddditor u/Patrick-star-number1 where all three of the superpowers have disintegrated into anarchy-filled warlord messes similar to 1961's Russia. I have just now finished up labelling the map, so here is the labelled map in all its glory.
Also, some lore.
It is the year 1985.
The world order has dramatically shifted since the beginning of the 1960s. In 1961, it was widely believed the Nazis' New Order would give way to one of two scenarios - one of the superpowers would overcome their opposition and become lord of the world, or a thermonuclear war would erupt and destroy human civilisation as it was.
What wasn't expected was for all three of the superpowers to disintegrate into anarchic wastelands, not unlike the situation once faced by the now-reunited Russia.
In Europe, the once mighty Greater Germanic Reich, master of Europe and leader of the New Order, has vanished from the map, possibly for good. The country was struck by a civil war in 1961 which brought to power Reinhard Heydrich, leader of the German SS. A failed revolt by Albert Speer's liberals in 1964 further crippled the once-mighty superpower, and finally the revelation of Himmler's world destruction plot sparked the German-Burgundian War, which would ultimately escalate into a small nuclear war which would be final nail in the coffin of the Thousand-Year-Reich. The smoldering European continent has been left destitute and a shadow of its former self, and is unlikely to recover for some time, even if the SS terrorism and nuclear attacks were to magically cease tomorrow.
Asia was unlucky enough to witness the Great Asian War, probably the most ferocious conflict since the second World War, which would leave some 570 million people six feet under. In 1967 Long Yun, the newly-minted leader of the Yunnan Clique, mounted a coup against the Reorganised Government of the Republic of China, successfully overthrowing the Japanese puppets and reunifiying the Middle Kingdom under a new, free leadership. However Long Yun fully expected the Japanese wouldn't just let China walk away, and soon enough Tokyo declared war in an attempt to re-enslave China. Japan expected to roll over the Chinese as they had in the Second World War, but when they landed on the Chinese coast they were soon proven wrong. In the face of the Chinese army's ferocity and willingness to drive the hated Japanese into the sea, Japan's advance soon stalled, and the war turned into a bloodbath.
The bloody stalemate was broken in 1973 at the Second Battle of Nanjing, where t least 800,000 Japanese troops were encircled and massacred by Long Yun's forces. At the same time, Guangxi and Guangdong saw pro-Chinese revolutionaries overthrow their regimes and put their support behing Free China, while the newly-reunited Russia under Serov plunged into Manchuria in order to recapture Vladivostok - Japan would be on the defensive for the remainder of the war. The final straw would come in early 1974 when Russian agents operating in Japan released an enormous quantity of hand-forged yen notes into circulation. With that, the Japanese economy, already under severe strain from the war, completely shattered. The inflation rate spiralled out of control, shortages food and other necessities became the norm, and poverty rates skyrocketed. At the same time, public opinion on the Home Islands, having learned of the repeated defeats in China, had swung firmly against the war, and protests had become daily events. The Land of the Rising Sun was seeing its sun setting, fast.
At this point, the Japanese general Tabata Amaya decided enough was enough. In May of 1974 he and his loyal units launched a mass rebellion in Hokkaido and northern Honshu in order to depose the Emperor and Prime Minister Nobusuke Kishi and save what could still be saved. Unfortiunately, his belief the Imperial government would fold like a house of cards didn't materialise - instead what happened was a brutal, equally bloody civil war that raged throughout the Japanese Home islands and tore them to shreds. This effectively ended the war in mainland Asia, as the remaining Japanese units there, ravaged by famine and attrition, either surrenderd or committed mass suicide. The Koreans decided the time had come to throw off their shackles, which was easily done as the Japanese were now powerless to stop them. Alas, the Koreans were soon subjugated by the Russians, who established puppets regimes across China's nothern frontier, much to Chongqing's frustration.
The Japanese Civil War would be brought to an unofficial end when a Chinese suicide bomber blew himself up in Tokyo near the Japanese government office of communications. In an instant all remaining long-range commnications throughout the Japanese Home Islands were taken out. The Chinese bomber died, of course, but he also brought down all remaining Japanese authority with him. As the rival governments lost control, local commanders seized control of nearby prefectures, and the civil war effectively ended as all of the participating factions became more conerned with surviving than fighting each other. Even to this day, the Japanese population, currently around 7 million, has not yet recovered to half of its level before the war.
(WORK IN PROGRESS)
Also, some lore.
It is the year 1985.
The world order has dramatically shifted since the beginning of the 1960s. In 1961, it was widely believed the Nazis' New Order would give way to one of two scenarios - one of the superpowers would overcome their opposition and become lord of the world, or a thermonuclear war would erupt and destroy human civilisation as it was.
What wasn't expected was for all three of the superpowers to disintegrate into anarchic wastelands, not unlike the situation once faced by the now-reunited Russia.
In Europe, the once mighty Greater Germanic Reich, master of Europe and leader of the New Order, has vanished from the map, possibly for good. The country was struck by a civil war in 1961 which brought to power Reinhard Heydrich, leader of the German SS. A failed revolt by Albert Speer's liberals in 1964 further crippled the once-mighty superpower, and finally the revelation of Himmler's world destruction plot sparked the German-Burgundian War, which would ultimately escalate into a small nuclear war which would be final nail in the coffin of the Thousand-Year-Reich. The smoldering European continent has been left destitute and a shadow of its former self, and is unlikely to recover for some time, even if the SS terrorism and nuclear attacks were to magically cease tomorrow.
Asia was unlucky enough to witness the Great Asian War, probably the most ferocious conflict since the second World War, which would leave some 570 million people six feet under. In 1967 Long Yun, the newly-minted leader of the Yunnan Clique, mounted a coup against the Reorganised Government of the Republic of China, successfully overthrowing the Japanese puppets and reunifiying the Middle Kingdom under a new, free leadership. However Long Yun fully expected the Japanese wouldn't just let China walk away, and soon enough Tokyo declared war in an attempt to re-enslave China. Japan expected to roll over the Chinese as they had in the Second World War, but when they landed on the Chinese coast they were soon proven wrong. In the face of the Chinese army's ferocity and willingness to drive the hated Japanese into the sea, Japan's advance soon stalled, and the war turned into a bloodbath.
The bloody stalemate was broken in 1973 at the Second Battle of Nanjing, where t least 800,000 Japanese troops were encircled and massacred by Long Yun's forces. At the same time, Guangxi and Guangdong saw pro-Chinese revolutionaries overthrow their regimes and put their support behing Free China, while the newly-reunited Russia under Serov plunged into Manchuria in order to recapture Vladivostok - Japan would be on the defensive for the remainder of the war. The final straw would come in early 1974 when Russian agents operating in Japan released an enormous quantity of hand-forged yen notes into circulation. With that, the Japanese economy, already under severe strain from the war, completely shattered. The inflation rate spiralled out of control, shortages food and other necessities became the norm, and poverty rates skyrocketed. At the same time, public opinion on the Home Islands, having learned of the repeated defeats in China, had swung firmly against the war, and protests had become daily events. The Land of the Rising Sun was seeing its sun setting, fast.
At this point, the Japanese general Tabata Amaya decided enough was enough. In May of 1974 he and his loyal units launched a mass rebellion in Hokkaido and northern Honshu in order to depose the Emperor and Prime Minister Nobusuke Kishi and save what could still be saved. Unfortiunately, his belief the Imperial government would fold like a house of cards didn't materialise - instead what happened was a brutal, equally bloody civil war that raged throughout the Japanese Home islands and tore them to shreds. This effectively ended the war in mainland Asia, as the remaining Japanese units there, ravaged by famine and attrition, either surrenderd or committed mass suicide. The Koreans decided the time had come to throw off their shackles, which was easily done as the Japanese were now powerless to stop them. Alas, the Koreans were soon subjugated by the Russians, who established puppets regimes across China's nothern frontier, much to Chongqing's frustration.
The Japanese Civil War would be brought to an unofficial end when a Chinese suicide bomber blew himself up in Tokyo near the Japanese government office of communications. In an instant all remaining long-range commnications throughout the Japanese Home Islands were taken out. The Chinese bomber died, of course, but he also brought down all remaining Japanese authority with him. As the rival governments lost control, local commanders seized control of nearby prefectures, and the civil war effectively ended as all of the participating factions became more conerned with surviving than fighting each other. Even to this day, the Japanese population, currently around 7 million, has not yet recovered to half of its level before the war.
(WORK IN PROGRESS)
Holy Terra, how many islands does the US Provisional Government have?!?!
It's a nitpick that usually wouldn't be visible on a world map for reasons of resolution, but your Free City of St. Louis doesn't actually include St. Louis.
Since the world map for TRO is out I thought I might share the QBAM that I made for it.
Courtesy of u/Astreom_1 from Reddit, an unique take on Confederate victory: Victorious in Battle, Beaten at the Polls. An economically crippled and politically unstable Confederacy attempts to rid itself of pro-Union areas by holding a referendum on the status quo, only for all but two states voting to rejoin the US; effectively committing national suicide by accident.
RICHMOND, Virginia - December 1, 1952
It is like the end of the world today for the Confederates in Richmond. With the final results of the referendum in the 13 states of the Confederacy, 10 states have voted to nullify their Act of Secession and to reintegrate into their northern neighbor after 90 years of separation.
For many, it is the end of an era for the South. The signs of the CSA's disintegration were obvious to many scholars. Richard Nordier, historian at Boston University, explains:
"The attempted rebellion by Virginia in January 1945 completely destroyed the hope of a united CSA, because the Pan-Americanists who came to power after local elections in Richmond invited the Maryland National Guard to occupy Virginia. What a shock to the government, to see their own people calling for secession!"
He goes on to explain: "The southern states seceded in 1861 because they feared President Lincoln's position on slavery, an inhuman institution but essential for their economy. But independence would also see the end of prosperity. The loss of the great port of New Orleans, the losses of men, the international isolation, the American embargo: the economy of the South was destroyed within a few decades, plunging the Confederacy into a lasting political and economic crisis. The abolition of slavery in 1923 under League of Nations pressure put the very idea of the Confederacy under question."
Strom Thurmond, current president of the Confederacy and chief proponent of the referendum, has still not spoken on the results.
"He is, like all pro-Confederates, in shock. The referendum was his idea to appease the pan-Americans and stabilize the Confederacy by getting rid of its "pro-Union" states, Virginia and New Mexico. The polls predicted that only Virginia and New Mexico would vote for Union, but instead 10 states were carried. The CSA cannot survive such an amputation, and to accept defeat for Thurmond is to accept that he had killed his own country."
RICHMOND, Virginia - December 1, 1952
It is like the end of the world today for the Confederates in Richmond. With the final results of the referendum in the 13 states of the Confederacy, 10 states have voted to nullify their Act of Secession and to reintegrate into their northern neighbor after 90 years of separation.
For many, it is the end of an era for the South. The signs of the CSA's disintegration were obvious to many scholars. Richard Nordier, historian at Boston University, explains:
"The attempted rebellion by Virginia in January 1945 completely destroyed the hope of a united CSA, because the Pan-Americanists who came to power after local elections in Richmond invited the Maryland National Guard to occupy Virginia. What a shock to the government, to see their own people calling for secession!"
He goes on to explain: "The southern states seceded in 1861 because they feared President Lincoln's position on slavery, an inhuman institution but essential for their economy. But independence would also see the end of prosperity. The loss of the great port of New Orleans, the losses of men, the international isolation, the American embargo: the economy of the South was destroyed within a few decades, plunging the Confederacy into a lasting political and economic crisis. The abolition of slavery in 1923 under League of Nations pressure put the very idea of the Confederacy under question."
Strom Thurmond, current president of the Confederacy and chief proponent of the referendum, has still not spoken on the results.
"He is, like all pro-Confederates, in shock. The referendum was his idea to appease the pan-Americans and stabilize the Confederacy by getting rid of its "pro-Union" states, Virginia and New Mexico. The polls predicted that only Virginia and New Mexico would vote for Union, but instead 10 states were carried. The CSA cannot survive such an amputation, and to accept defeat for Thurmond is to accept that he had killed his own country."
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This is unironically a hilarious map for the in-universe reason of imaging both the US and CS not thinking that was going to happen.
US: They voted what?!
CS: THEY VOTED WHAT?!
Ahhh yes, I remember about that proposal. Apparently it was only for part of the Netherlands, which was why the Wittlebasch turned it down. Shame I can never find which parts it is. Anyways, I see you give all of Baden to Austria here, but I think only the southern portion was Austrian at this time. Is Salzburg is also swallowed up by Austria, wouldn’t Liege go to the Bavarians? Though I suppose they already had a Bishop from the Wittlebasch family there.
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