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The criticism I would make in your scenario would be to think that Saxony and Bavaria could form a United Kingdom at that time.
They have nothing in common that could form a Union so easily, the religion as well as the royal dynasties ruling there are not the same to begin with.
There could be United KingdomS that would look more like a confederation in its early stages.
Besides, what would motivate this Union? Moreover, could it succeed when Saxony and Bavaria have no direct interests and Ludwig II of Bavaria is half crazy?
Another problem that I see is Prussia. Prussia will not allow the Saxon-Bavarians to make this kind of Union. Neither will Austria if Bohemia is taken from it. There could be the France of Napoleon III who could help them but considering how it was annihilated in OTL 1870 it is not a guarantee of victory.
Good point about a the United Kingdom thing. I think you're right that a confederation of different kingdoms is more likely than a truly united kingdom, as I had previously considered.
The main motivation of the union, as I see it, is to counterbalance Prussian and Austrian power. A "strength in numbers" thing, as it were. France is motivated to try to keep Prussia weaker so they help prop up that Saxon-Bavarian Confederation. Austria would also prop up the confederation for similar reasons (good point about how they wouldn't though if Bohemia was taken; I'm nixing that idea).
Why would there be separate states of Hamilton and Franklin? I think Hamilton, Erie and Franklin should be part of NY, PA and ME.
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Without further knowledge, I present before thy honors, the Angevine Empire of Russia.
TL;DR: I made this based on an older timeline cause I was bored. The Angevines strike back and make Russia more OP and civilized.
A thing from another timeline I thought of, where the Angevines find time travel, and decide to pull a Red Alert and take over 1720's Russia. Peter the Great was pew pew'd away, a very uncivil war ensued, and the Angevines ended up in charge.
The Empire speaks the great language of Auld French, and, given the nobility spoke French just fine, they sorta just carried on. The serfs were kept, well, enslaved, but with all-new techniques to ensure they don't flee. However, kids of serfs were free men, so serfdom by 1750-60 died out. Criminals were just exiled to Siberia with a bunch of tools, tasked to establish their own towns and communities, Australia-style.
In its early years the empire also just steamrolled into Europe and the Ottoman Empire, taking whatever they wanted. Its culture is, well, eh. Its a mix of Byzantine practice, titles n the like, and French architecture in palaces and stuff. Basically, its OTL Russia but more OP and less likely to ever fall into a civil war like the Russian Revolution.
TL;DR: I made this based on an older timeline cause I was bored. The Angevines strike back and make Russia more OP and civilized.
A thing from another timeline I thought of, where the Angevines find time travel, and decide to pull a Red Alert and take over 1720's Russia. Peter the Great was pew pew'd away, a very uncivil war ensued, and the Angevines ended up in charge.
The Empire speaks the great language of Auld French, and, given the nobility spoke French just fine, they sorta just carried on. The serfs were kept, well, enslaved, but with all-new techniques to ensure they don't flee. However, kids of serfs were free men, so serfdom by 1750-60 died out. Criminals were just exiled to Siberia with a bunch of tools, tasked to establish their own towns and communities, Australia-style.
In its early years the empire also just steamrolled into Europe and the Ottoman Empire, taking whatever they wanted. Its culture is, well, eh. Its a mix of Byzantine practice, titles n the like, and French architecture in palaces and stuff. Basically, its OTL Russia but more OP and less likely to ever fall into a civil war like the Russian Revolution.
If they "steamrolled into Europe and the Ottoman Empire, taking whatever they wanted", how come they have gone so far as to annex Prussia, yet apparently abstained from taking Constantinople?
Because Congress has a system by which it creates new states and adheres to it pretty rigidly. Regions too small or too large aren’t going to be allowed to be states. Physical equality tends to be the name of the game.
What surprises me is the lack of straight borders for the new states.
I'll try to post a much big immage.
However: The world n 850 ab incarnatione Domini
In VI century Justinian I tryed to recapture the west, lost to germanic invasion, sending his best general Flavius Belisarius.
In 537 he was offered the throne of Italy if he defected from Justian. In OTL he refused, but here, thanks to an harsher treatment from the Emperor accept the gothic offer and crown himself Belisarius I.
This lead to a strong neo-western Empire and to a more complex situation in the eastern half.
Islam appearead, but the also if Byzantium and Persia fought a hard war in VII century, having not consumed the resources in the west conquest, preserved Constantinople to fall and, in the end, saved the day also for Persia.
However both Persian and Arab invasion of Levant lead to crumbling of eastern roman empire there. Egypt, Syria and Armenia shaked the orthodx chains from them and become indipendent states .
In Africa the Heracleians ruled as vassal of the Italian Emperor, Carthage supplies naval forces and sailors to the Empire. Both the Exarcates of Rome and Sicily have a special status in the empire. Rome is, de facto, ruled by the Pope(altought not with the liberty and powers we are used in OTL), Sicily is governed by a Dux in name of the Emperor.
In late VII century the Wstern Empire fought a a war against the Franks with its allies, the Lombards. Valentinian IV was ale to secure Marsilia, Arles and other cities on the Rhone, helping Aquitania to secure its indipedence. After the war Belisarius III moved the capital from Ravenna to the city of Veneta Augusta(increasingly called Venezia by uncultured italian paesants). The Emperor lives in his palace of Rivaltus.
Busy fighting Franks, Avars and Bulgarians alongside Eastern Empire, Photius II was unable or unwilling to assist Africa against the rebellions of berber native peoples. Constantin II Heracleid was able to expell them in Mauretania, where the queen Dihya was able to create a berber kingdom and a berber chrch gaining the title of Kahina (Priestess). Today her successors are pushing in Visigothic kingdom of Hispania and have taken Cordoba, the capital; forcing Reccaredo III to flee in the north parth of the kingdom.
The sasannian dynasty was hardly proved by Islamic invasion, but in the end was able to survive in eastern Iran, and from there(with conspicuos chinese help) to return in Iraq after a century of so. Nearly a century after reconquest of Mesopotamia, in 825, the dynasty was overthrown by a vassal on the silk road that installed the Samanid Dynasty. After a couple of rebukes against Armenia and Arabian Caliphate, Samanids are become a beacon of civilization and culture wating for a better time to enlarge their empire.
Arabia is a strange state, Islam if pretty different from OTL and could be confused with a Christological Heresy, but a OTL muslim could find easily the teaching of the Prophet and the tennants of his faith in this traveling and mercantile religion. The Caliph ruled over all arabs, and when the armies of Umar were unable to pierce in Taurus and Zagros mountains, next Caliphs were more lead to expand thier faith with missions, instead than with swords. The thing worked(also if, sometimes, a fleet from Yemen or Oman is send to assist sufi preachers in their struggle to diffond the word of God). Islam is not the world religion of OTL(yet) but is diffused in Iraq, Levant and where arabian merchants could arrive.
Eastern Roman Empire suffered a lot, Isaurian Dynasty was able to save the empire from conquest by Avars and Arabs, but not to defend Balkans and Levant that were lost.
Despite a strong central rule, now in the hands of Basil I, is the eastern half of the Empire that starts to resemble medieval italy with its busy commercuial cities, more and more intollerant of Constantinople taxes and burdens...
I'm planning to add more lore for other states of the map. Hope you Enjoy.
depends on the map your tyring to maek are you just going for paint maps at this point?
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this thread has a llot base maps and guides to help get started
)Thanks, I'll take a look.depends on the map your tyring to maek are you just going for paint maps at this point?
Base Map & Resource Index
The Base Map & Resource Index ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AlternateHistory.com has produced some simply amazing resources over the past ten years, however, the vast amount of base-maps, color schemes, and...www.alternatehistory.com
this thread has a llot base maps and guides to help get started
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I am unsure what a paint map is, but my goal was trying to make a detailed map in a similar style to what I've seen here.
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if you want a detailed map in a similar style instead of worlda maps ie those pixel maps like so then you want Inkscape,GIMP, or Photoshop. There's a higher learning curve towards making maps this way but the payoff is something that looks really cool. I think Arminius1871 has a great tutorial on photoshop maps.
Historical Map Tutorial for Photoshop by Arminius1871 on DeviantArt
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I have seen that before, and was planning to use that for aid. I was planning for a more detailed map, like his.if you want a detailed map in a similar style instead of worlda maps ie those pixel maps like so then you want Inkscape,GIMP, or Photoshop. There's a higher learning curve towards making maps this way but the payoff is something that looks really cool. I think Arminius1871 has a great tutorial on photoshop maps.
Historical Map Tutorial for Photoshop by Arminius1871 on DeviantArt
(Trying to put it in a positive light)
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