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It's not a perfect analogy, but what I meant by that is the U.S. helped reconstruct Germany, rather than run a harsh, expensive occupation like the one Turtledove alluded to at the end of the series.
The difference is that Germany was never an integral part of the US, while in Southern Victory, the Confederacy was at one point.
 
Speaking of, ya hear that noise?
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It's God giving up on the CS.
(Confederate Civil War, 1940-2015. Started with the Assassination of Jake Featherston on December 25th, 1940 and ended with the surrender of the final remaining Freedomist garrisons on August 12, 2015.)
(Blue: Confederate States of America (Shreveport). Light Blue: UN Mission in America, Red: People's Republics of the Deep South, Grey: Confederate States of America (Tampa), Yellow: Republic of Texas, Dark, dark teal: Sequoyah Republic, Teal: United States, Pink: Mexico and Light Yellow: Cuban Republic.)
Map is the situation on August 1st, 1946, the height of the Civil War.
 
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"...Whereas the Confederate States of America under the Freedomite regime became a party to the "Triple Entente" with Great Britain, France, and Russia, undertook a war of aggression and thereby provoked a state of war with the Allied and Associated Powers and with other Allied nations, and bears her share of responsibility for the war; and

Whereas in consequence of the victories of the Allied forces, and with the assistance of the democratic elements of the Confederate people, the Freedomite regime in the Confederate States of America was overthrown on May 19, 1945, and the Confederate States of America, having surrendered unconditionally, signed terms of Armistice on that same date; and

Whereas the Allied and Associated powers and the Confederate States of America are desirous of concluding a treaty of peace which will, in conformity with the principles of justice, will settle such outstanding questions as the fates of war criminals, territorial adjustments, demilitarization, and war reparations;

Have therefore agreed to declare a cessation of hostilities and to this end, to conclude the present Treaty of Peace..."

-the Preamble to the Treaty of Bowling Green, 1945
"1. Texas
The Republic of Texas's independence shall be recognized in full by all parties to the treaty, and with the borders of the Confederate State of Texas as it existed between November 11, 1917, and March 1, 1940
2. Virginia
The C.S. State of Virginia shall cede all territory north of the York, Pamunkey, and South Anna Rivers, , and all territory east of the Maury and Shenandoah Rivers, to the U.S. State of West Virginia
3. Sonora and Chihuaha
The United States shall annex, in full, the C.S. States of Sonora and Chihuahua as they existed after November 11, 1917
4. Tennessee
The United States shall annex, in full, the C.S. State of Tennessee
5. Cuba
The Republic of Cuba's independence shall be recognized in full by all parties to the treaty, and shall encompass the entirety of the island of Cuba
6. Houston and Kentucky
The states of Kentucky and Houston shall be re-annexed by the United States, as they existed between November 11, 1917, and March 1, 1940
7. New Orleans
The United States shall annex New Orleans and its surrounding territory, extending from Franklin on a diagonal line to Plaquemine, and then due east to Lake Pontchartrain"

- text from the Treaty of Bowling Green, 1945
"And the United States shall lend a hand to our southern neighbors. We shall lift them up and help them rebuild. We shall forge new bonds with them and we shall help them heal. For that is our duty as Americans - to reach out as magnanimous victors to our foes and extend our hand in friendship. After four long and bloody years, we must not let the wounds of war fester, but instead mend them and go bravely forward into the future, together."
-President Thomas Dewey announcing the Dewey Plan, November 5, 1945

This is based off of the Southern Victory books, but where the U.S. opts not to annex the CSA, but to rebuild them. It always struck me as odd and unwise for the US to try and reabsorb a nation that's been independent for 80+ years, rather than treat them like West Germany, for example. Many parts of the 'preamble' are lifted from the OTL Paris Peace Treaties, and modified only slightly.

To be fair, the USA wasn't excarly in the mood for being merfcul to the CSA. More so given the Population Reduction and the South's indifference and acceptance/support of it what set the Union off terribly so on Dixieland and to finish it off for good.

I honestly would have annex all of Virginia, and/or moved the Confederacy's capital to say back to Montgomery, or even to South Carolina.

Still, it's an fantastic map so hats off friend.
 
Speaking of, ya hear that noise?
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It's God giving up on the CS.
(Confederate Civil War, 1940-2015. Started with the Assassination of Jake Featherston on December 25th, 1940 and ended with the surrender of the final remaining Freedomist garrisons on August 12, 2015.)
(Blue: Confederate States of America (Shreveport). Light Blue: UN Mission in America, Red: People's Republics of the Deep South, Grey: Confederate States of America (Tampa), Yellow: Republic of Texas, Dark, dark teal: Sequoyah Republic, Teal: United States, Pink: Mexico and Light Yellow: Cuban Republic.)
Map is the situation on August 1st, 1946, the height of the Civil War.
a 75-year civil war sounds pretty horrific, even for a country like the CSA
 
a 75-year civil war sounds pretty horrific, even for a country like the CSA
To be fair, the main war was over by 1949. The rest was mainly dusting off Cuba (1950-1956) and desperately trying to take out the last Freedom remnant in Puerto Rico. (they had nuclear weapons after the British supplied them with one, and they were essentially untouched until 2013, when the CSA with nukes of it's own rushed in and dropped 15 megatons on San Juan)
 
This is based off of the Southern Victory books, but where the U.S. opts not to annex the CSA, but to rebuild them. It always struck me as odd and unwise for the US to try and reabsorb a nation that's been independent for 80+ years, rather than treat them like West Germany, for example. Many parts of the 'preamble' are lifted from the OTL Paris Peace Treaties, and modified only slightly.​
To be honest, I agree. OTL we saw widespread discontent and rebellion after barely five years of independence. Most citizens of the South would've been born in the CSA and raised with hatred towards the North. Direct annexation like that is bound to be suicidal for the US.

Gotta disagree honestly, the US in TL-191 is far more willing to play dirty such as with forced deportations and massacres, I just don't see them letting the CSA live after generations of humiliation and Mormon separatism. At best you got Confederate exile communities that either refuse to live in the US or are just evicted outright living in places like Texas and South Africa.

Plus, as said by another user, Britain and Germany were never one country, hence why a analogue to post-war Germany wouldn't work with the CSA.
 
The difference is that Germany was never an integral part of the US, while in Southern Victory, the Confederacy was at one point.
Indeed, but after 80 years of independence, it would be an eternal ulcer for the US to keep the CSA under their control, while simply leaving a weakened but reconstructed CSA would be a much smarter long-term plan.
To be fair, the USA wasn't excarly in the mood for being merfcul to the CSA. More so given the Population Reduction and the South's indifference and acceptance/support of it what set the Union off terribly so on Dixieland and to finish it off for good.

I honestly would have annex all of Virginia, and/or moved the Confederacy's capital to say back to Montgomery, or even to South Carolina.

Still, it's an fantastic map so hats off friend.
Undoubtedly, but in my view, the US would likely run a Japan-style military occupation for a decade, then allow full independence (with demilitarization restrictions, of course).
And thanks so much!
Gotta disagree honestly, the US in TL-191 is far more willing to play dirty such as with forced deportations and massacres, I just don't see them letting the CSA live after generations of humiliation and Mormon separatism. At best you got Confederate exile communities that either refuse to live in the US or are just evicted outright living in places like Texas and South Africa.

Plus, as said by another user, Britain and Germany were never one country, hence why a analogue to post-war Germany wouldn't work with the CSA.
The CSA is way bigger than Utah, and it would be a major pain to hold it down, especially with the brutal hostage methods the US used. I doubt the US, which had had half of Philadelphia nuked, Pittsburgh reduced to rubble, and a swath of Ohio devastated, would want to spend another 20-30+ years holding down a rebellious region when they could exact some territorial concessions, put the war criminals on trial, run a decade-long occupation/de-Freedomization program, then allow political independence. It would satisfy all but the most revanchist Americans.
And, as I clarified, I did not compare the CSA to West Germany. I compared how the US invested into West Germany to how I would imagine the US investing into a vanquished CSA.
 
"...Whereas the Confederate States of America under the Freedomite regime became a party to the "Triple Entente" with Great Britain, France, and Russia, undertook a war of aggression and thereby provoked a state of war with the Allied and Associated Powers and with other Allied nations, and bears her share of responsibility for the war; and

Whereas in consequence of the victories of the Allied forces, and with the assistance of the democratic elements of the Confederate people, the Freedomite regime in the Confederate States of America was overthrown on May 19, 1945, and the Confederate States of America, having surrendered unconditionally, signed terms of Armistice on that same date; and

Whereas the Allied and Associated powers and the Confederate States of America are desirous of concluding a treaty of peace which will, in conformity with the principles of justice, will settle such outstanding questions as the fates of war criminals, territorial adjustments, demilitarization, and war reparations;

Have therefore agreed to declare a cessation of hostilities and to this end, to conclude the present Treaty of Peace..."

-the Preamble to the Treaty of Bowling Green, 1945
"1. Texas
The Republic of Texas's independence shall be recognized in full by all parties to the treaty, and with the borders of the Confederate State of Texas as it existed between November 11, 1917, and March 1, 1940
2. Virginia
The C.S. State of Virginia shall cede all territory north of the York, Pamunkey, and South Anna Rivers, , and all territory east of the Maury and Shenandoah Rivers, to the U.S. State of West Virginia
3. Sonora and Chihuaha
The United States shall annex, in full, the C.S. States of Sonora and Chihuahua as they existed after November 11, 1917
4. Tennessee
The United States shall annex, in full, the C.S. State of Tennessee
5. Cuba
The Republic of Cuba's independence shall be recognized in full by all parties to the treaty, and shall encompass the entirety of the island of Cuba
6. Houston and Kentucky
The states of Kentucky and Houston shall be re-annexed by the United States, as they existed between November 11, 1917, and March 1, 1940
7. New Orleans
The United States shall annex New Orleans and its surrounding territory, extending from Franklin on a diagonal line to Plaquemine, and then due east to Lake Pontchartrain"

- text from the Treaty of Bowling Green, 1945
"And the United States shall lend a hand to our southern neighbors. We shall lift them up and help them rebuild. We shall forge new bonds with them and we shall help them heal. For that is our duty as Americans - to reach out as magnanimous victors to our foes and extend our hand in friendship. After four long and bloody years, we must not let the wounds of war fester, but instead mend them and go bravely forward into the future, together."
-President Thomas Dewey announcing the Dewey Plan, November 5, 1945

This is based off of the Southern Victory books, but where the U.S. opts not to annex the CSA, but to rebuild them. It always struck me as odd and unwise for the US to try and reabsorb a nation that's been independent for 80+ years, rather than treat them like West Germany, for example. Many parts of the 'preamble' are lifted from the OTL Paris Peace Treaties, and modified only slightly.
Could another way of dealing with the Confederacy have been to break it up into it's constituent states and make it clear that any attempt at reunification will result in immediate invasion, like what happened to Germany in the Anglo American Nazi War?
 
Could another way of dealing with the Confederacy have been to break it up into it's constituent states and make it clear that any attempt at reunification will result in immediate invasion, like what happened to Germany in the Anglo American Nazi War?
That could definitely have been done, but to be honest, I didn't even think about that when making the map. But it's certainly an interesting scenario.
Cool scenario, @TheHedgehog! As a Florida Man myself, my only qualm (and truly, I have no qualm at all XD) is Pensacola being a bit too East than where it actually!
Thanks so much! Is Pensacola on the west bank of the Appalachicola? My basemap was a bit too blurry to see properly.
 
That could definitely have been done, but to be honest, I didn't even think about that when making the map. But it's certainly an interesting scenario.

Thanks so much! Is Pensacola on the west bank of the Appalachicola? My basemap was a bit too blurry to see properly.

A bit further west, just short of the Alabama border on the western shore of Pensacola bay!

Here's a little screen grab of apple maps for reference!

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So what happens to the 2 million or so surviving black Americans after the Southron Holocaust ? Is there any sort of de-Confederisation like OTL de-Nazification ? Do they get their own liberated state ?
I would imagine the overwhelming majority of Blacks either flee north or go to Haiti, which could function as a sort of homeland for the survivors. There would probably be de-Confederatization, though probably conducted in a much more thorough manner.
 
--THE DISSOLUTION OF THE UNITED STATES--
Few things in history were so impacting as the decay and ultimate death of the United States of America, consummate by 1985.
To shorten the story, let's go to the 70's, or as many Americans call it, the Lost Decade. In a frenetic succession of events, the increasingly corrupt Nixon administration started falling apart after the Watergate scandal, things only got worst when Vice President Agnew refused to step down even with scandals swallowing him. A backstage compromise was accepted, Agnew would resign and be forgiven by Nixon, who would fight to keep his head. With the old VP out (but all the scandals still in), the search for a new one started, but the President wanted to do a show of force with the congress and would delay as much as possible the nomination of the new Vice President, he tried to do this with rivers of money and bribes flowing to the pockets of legislators, but it ultimately fail. Nixon ran to appoint Gerald Ford and then resigned one day before the Senate vote. The worst crisis in a very long time was getting started in America.
Ford was to many the epitome of the crisis. An unelected man in the highest post of the nation, who would in a few weeks nominate a VP equally unelected. Democracy seemed no more than a bad joke. Massive protests took the streets, masses of people showed their dissatisfaction not only with politics, but with the economy too, as the United States was going down since the 1973 oil shock. Feeling the pressure, the president released new economic measures to at least stop the crisis getting worst and for everybody surprise, it worked, artificially, as it would become clear in a few years but it worked. Enjoying a modest, but steady, high in popularity, Ford could now focus in his reelection.
As 1976 came, the Democratic Party was a mess. No one seemed to have such a national appeal to unify the party and no new name had the chance to arise, as in the case of former Georgia Governor Jimmy Carter who got fearful after polls showed that his name recognition was as low as 2%, he then decided to wait and run for the Senate, an election he easily won in 1980 with 60% of the vote. With the clock ticking two candidates started gaining momentum: Jerry Brown, governor of California, and George Wallace, governor of Alabama. After a highly divided primary the decision was left to the DNC which picked Brown to be it's face in the ballots. In a revival of 1968, Wallace decided to run an independent campaign.
Ford's nomination was a hard task for the Republican Party to achieve, as another California governor also wanted to be president (Ronald Reagan), his VP pick was even more eventful, as it took an herculean effort of the president to convince Nelson Rockefeller to continue in the administration and run for the post he was never elected. The effort however, was in vain, as on October 1, 1976, the Vice President was killed in a campaign event in Pittsburgh. The action was directed to President Ford but missed it's target, creating a political phenomenon that would define history. The Ford campaign was suffering the effect of people discovering that the 1975 economic relief was artificial and his unpopularity was getting higher and higher, but after the Rockefeller murder the game soon changed. Apart from the voting intention boom because of the sentimental results of the attack on the VP, Ford started blaming the whole thing (without any consistent proof) on the radical left. In fact since the Nixon years leftists where getting more and more organized and since the start of the crisis started performing attacks on many cities, especially in the South and the Midwest. Ford's tough words however only made them grow stronger.
With both Ford and Wallace blaming all the country's problems on the leftists and associating Jerry Brown with the worst of it, the election only got better and better for the Republican. Even with this whole situation, Brown managed to win in the popular vote. It wasn't enough to take the presidency as Ford had won enough states to continue to be the President of the United States.
The second term however already started almost as bad as the first. Ford promised in his campaign that he would stop interfering in economy and let the market take the reins, but with a new crisis on the horizon and a spike on unemployment, the promise was getting harder to keep. The President spent almost half of his second term trying to equilibrate between his fragile Congress base, the market and the increasingly angry population, until the Iranians made him fell from his already precarious balance.
The 1979 Iranian Revolution and the subsequent second oil shock further disestabilized the US and helped the USSR, which had it's economy growing nonstop since the start of the decade. Another economic crisis in less than 10 years would be hard for America to overcome, but it would get worse. Still in 1979, Saudi Arabia would fall to Revolution too and the growing regional pressure would torn Iraq apart in a bitter civil war. Suddenly, the three main American partners in the Middle East were no more.
The start of the 1980's recession sent shock waves trough the world. In Chile, a renewed Civil War managed to oust and hang Augusto Pinochet and perform the second Socialist Revolution in the Americas. In Colombia, the FARC laid siege to Bogotá for more than a month before the government could repel the rebels. In the United States, Gerald Ford was the only man to blame, the most unpopular president in history.
Political violence in the country was in an all time high, the Black Panther Party was booming in membership and actions (and also getting boomed by the government's brutal repression), the communists and socialists formed armed cells all over the country and were surprisingly getting more and more support in rural areas. Right-wing groups also started forming their own little militias to patrol against the red specter and the black people, battles between political enemies were widespread across the nation, getting to the point of raising concerns among the NATO countries.
The tension got even worst because 1980 was an election year and a very unusual one. Various third parties campaigned to replace the Democratic-Republican order and were boosted by desertions of both sides, but especially from the Republicans, a party in a moral and leadership crisis for almost a decade now. The unprecedented elections had a very predictable result; after months of voter suppression (especially in Black plurality areas after the rise of the BPP), gerrymandering and political repression, Ronald Reagan was the next president. But he was elected in a very strange manner. Because of the wide array of competitive candidates, Reagan won with 32% of the popular vote, the smallest percentage of a winner since John Quincy Adams, but also because of the many candidates, the vote spoiling ended benefiting the Californian as he managed to get various small wins and consolidate a 271 majority in the Electoral College. Ultimately, 5 candidates received electoral college votes, a sign of the times for the country.
As the new President was inaugurated, protests and rebellions took the country denouncing the third consecutive president not elected by the majority of the people. Reagan promised to handle the issues with an iron hand, which he did. Hundreds of protesters were arrested or died in clashes with the police, a new red scare took control of the discourse and repression to the Black Panthers, socialists and communists organizations became commonplace in the news. It also didn't help that the economic crisis hadn't gone anywhere and was only getting worse. One of his fist actions as President was to withdraw from Vietnam, a task Ford couldn't complete in his term; the veterans coming home were, however, angry and deluded with the country that sent them to fight a useless war half the world away. Right wing terrorism was increasing by the day and the tensions were going to heights never reached.
In 1983, Reagan was assassinated in a domestic attack in New York. While the country celebrated the presidential death, the political class looked terrified to their destiny. Violent clashes between right wing militias (with the help of white supremacists) and the Black Panther Party (with the help of the communists) turned into a huge domestic battle near Atlanta, to which the President George Bush responded by sending National Guards reinforcement to Georgia.
By the 1984 elections, the hated incumbent once again faced a large swath of opponents that spoiled the vote of each other, but this time the pressure was just too big for the Republicans to handle and the party finished the elections in a distant fourth. In the House contingent election, Ted Kennedy is selected as the President that would face the worst political situation since Lincoln.
Kennedy would launch a wild plan of modernization to appease the tensions, it would basically form a new constitutional convention to "reform" some outdated parts of the text. His main proposals were abolishing the Electoral College, include explicit protections to minorities and enlarge the Federal Government's powers in relation to the states (and the economy, but this is not so much related to the constitution) to better manage times of great crisis. Initially he got a good bit of support from the Congress and the population, only finding resistance in far right groups (that were loud), but his inability to conduct the process in a quick and multi-partisan manner made the proposals lose more and more appeal to all groups interested. After much delay the opposition parties jumped from the reformation idea and started attacking the president day and night, the right wing and white supremacists militias felt emboldened to conduct activities with no shame to hide, promoting massacres of Blacks, presumed socialists, natives, homosexuals, non Christians and other minorities. The labor unions and the organized left demanded from the President an adequate response, but as it failed to come, they turned to radicalization once and for all. The President's support base evaporated.
Low level fighting quickly became a grave civil conflict that ravaged trough the country with support of governors, senators and representatives from all sides. Armies and militias formed and consolidated power bases and fought against each other in their "borders". Speaking of which, in the borders of the United States the situation escalated to a point were Canada and Mexico demanded the government to have a strong action or they would close all their land connections to the country. It would be ,however, an useless threat as soon after this Mexico would fall to a communist revolution, the same happening in France, Italy, Turkey, Spain, Greece, Portugal, etc. NATO was no more than a shadow of it's former self, now only hold together by Canada and the UK, also facing extreme political tensions.
Kennedy's inability to handle the seemingly close end of the Union provoked the more reactionaries Members of Congress to stage a coup against the president, but it ultimately failed by the ready action of the New York governor Mario Cuomo, who send army divisions (even if this was not even remotely in his capacities as governor) to Washington to protect the government. Now the President was politically hostage to the Governor. The duke controlled the emperor.
By this time, the divisions of the Second American Civil War were already clear, only having some focus of fighting in the border of Canada, Mexico, the Deep South and the Mid Atlantic regions.
In 1984 it was unclear whether elections would still be held or not. The President and most of the political class tried to force it to happen at all costs, but political violence made it impossible for it to be realized without major concerns about everything surrounding the electoral process and the safety of the voting population, so the elections were indefinitely postponed. The fall was now inevitable. Texas was the first state to declare secession, in October 23rd, followed by New Mexico, Oklahoma and Arkansas. The Kennedy government at first stayed paralyzed, as the Texan secessionist movement was already well articulated for some time, but such a large and crucial part of the Union couldn't go away like that, it had to be a fight. In November 7th federal troops arrived in the self proclaimed Republic of Texas border around Memphis and the fight begun. Scenes of brutal savagery and death of hundreds of "Americans" in the Battle of Memphis shocked the country and sent it into a spiral of violence. Soon after California and Nevada declared their independence, as the New England states. The Communists controlled regions (with good overflows of soviet financial help) expelled federal troops still loyal to the Washington government and set up their own governments with regional characteristics. In the South, the communists formed a "Farmer-Labor" alliance (with the help of the Black Panthers) to bloodbath the white supremacists and walk all the way to Washington, DC. As they got near the forces of the north managed to expel them back to the Georgia-Carolinas limits, but at the cost of the end of the Cuomo-Kennedy "partnership", as they disagreed on which actions to take, eventually culminating in New York seceding from the Union and advancing with it's army through nearby regions. As the chaos continued, Canada and Mexico invaded the former giant to grab some parts of its deceased body; Mexico forced the Texan forces all the way up the Nueces river annexing the occupied land and also advanced in South Arizona, where a standstill with the capitalist Californian Republic made they reach a deal in which neither county would annex the area, but rather keep two puppet states in the border; and Canada would invade a great part of the North thinking about more natural resources (gas) but getting a huge problem that would precipitate the ongoing Canadian Civil War.
Finally, in July 4th 1985, the President Ted Kennedy, the Vice President Gary Hart and their cabinet would resign, effectively ending the United States of America. The Treaty of Nassau, signed in the Bahamas, formalized the borders and the recognition of all new countries.

Quick explanation:
- The Commonwealths: All of them are communists nations with different governments but united by the Denver Pact;
- The D.R. of the Great Lakes, Cascadia, Colorado and Georgia are the main communists nations in the former US;
- Misssippi is a black majority nation as of 2021, Georgia has a black plurality of about 30% blacks;
- Ohio and Utah are far right countries;
- Texas is not quite far right but almost there (but it's getting better nowadays);
- California, Virginia, New England, the American Union and Florida are all capitalists but with a more social democracy tendency;
- Virginia is the official successor state to the United States, but sometimes the American Union uses this title and symbolism too;
- Arizona is the Californian puppet-buffer state and Gadsden is the Mexican one, the future of this region remains uncertain, but at least a lasting peace has been established there.


NOTE: This is a worst case scenario that I forced to get to the conclusion that I wanted, so yes something are a bit far off, but the main goal, to have the US falling apart in many countries instead of the USSR was reached, so.... I consider this a win.
Also, this is my first map made on Illustrator, any tips and suggestions are appreciated!
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Map of Europe in 1780. Posted on my Deviantart.

POD: The young king Louis XV of France dies suddenly in early 1718 - shortly before the start of the OTL War of the Quadruple Alliance and leaving France a succession crisis.

This changes the plans of Spanish king Felipe V, his queen Elisabetta Farnese and his prime minister Alberoni, which was originally to restore Spanish rule in Italy following the losses during the War of the Spanish Succession. Now, Felipe claims the French crown.

This leads to the creation of an alliance of the British, the Dutch, the Savoyans, and Holy Roman Emperor Karl VI who all support Louis XV's regent Philippe II of Orléans's claim to the French throne. The allies do not want the Spanish back in Italy and are all terrified at the idea of a united Bourbon monarchy of France and Spain. Unfortunately for the allies, the corrupt Philippe is unpopular with the French nobility and the Church, and the OTL conspiracy led by Prince of Cellamare against Philippe is never discovered. Therefore, the conspiracy succeeds in a coup which causes Philippe and some of his supporters to flee the country.

The French welcome Felipe V of Spain and his army enthusiastically and he is crowned king Philippe VII of France. France therefore leaves the Quadruple Alliance which means the allies are left without the might of France to contain Spanish Bourbon ambitions.

1720. The war goes quite well for the Franco-Spanish Bourbon alliance. The Spanish recapture Sardinia (already taken in 1717), Sicily, Naples, Gibraltar, and some other smaller areas. France takes the Austrian Netherlands.

It's not completely successful for the Bourbons, though. Milan remains under Habsburg control. The Bourbon-supported Jacobite rising failed. The allies are also able to negotiate a peace to preserve the balance of power and ensure that the Bourbon monarchy isn't formed. Felipe V/Philippe VII must abdicate the Spanish throne for his son Luis (once Luis dies in 1724, then Felipe's third son Carlos becomes king). Felipe V/Philippe VII can keep his French crown, but after his death, his second son Ferdinand becomes the French king. Though France and Spain never unite, the two will remain very close allies.

1780. 60 years have passed, but most of the same European wars of OTL still occur, though the butterflies cause some significant changes.

For one, in the Seven Years' War analogue, Prussia is humiliatingly defeated by the Austro-Russian alliance. Austria retakes Silesia and the Russians take East Prussia (later exchanged to Poland for Courland and Livonia) leaving Brandenburg as the remnant of once-mighty Prussia. Frederick the Great will be known as 'Frederick the Bold' like the Burgundian duke before him - killed in his prime on the field of battle.

The Polish partitions will also never happen because there isn't a strong Prussia to balance Russia and Austria (who is the undisputed power of the HRE). Poland-Lithuania, surprisingly, begins to develop closer relations with the Ottomans, but this is because both are surrounded by the increasingly powerful Russians and Austrians.

Any comments on the map or scenario are appreciated!
 
@CastilloVerde the map is gorgeous, just gorgeous, and the scenario is interesting, detailed, and plausible as well. How do these changes in Europe affect the western hemisphere? This century millions of square miles of claims, and much less actually administered territory, switched hands a lot. Was any new world land involved in the peace talks? Is Spain's hold on and reputation in its colonies better with this victory and the alliance with France; similarly does France have better luck holding on and growing its colonies?
 
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Map of Europe in 1780. Posted on my Deviantart.

POD: The young king Louis XV of France dies suddenly in early 1718 - shortly before the start of the OTL War of the Quadruple Alliance and leaving France a succession crisis.

This changes the plans of Spanish king Felipe V, his queen Elisabetta Farnese and his prime minister Alberoni, which was originally to restore Spanish rule in Italy following the losses during the War of the Spanish Succession. Now, Felipe claims the French crown.

This leads to the creation of an alliance of the British, the Dutch, the Savoyans, and Holy Roman Emperor Karl VI who all support Louis XV's regent Philippe II of Orléans's claim to the French throne. The allies do not want the Spanish back in Italy and are all terrified at the idea of a united Bourbon monarchy of France and Spain. Unfortunately for the allies, the corrupt Philippe is unpopular with the French nobility and the Church, and the OTL conspiracy led by Prince of Cellamare against Philippe is never discovered. Therefore, the conspiracy succeeds in a coup which causes Philippe and some of his supporters to flee the country.

The French welcome Felipe V of Spain and his army enthusiastically and he is crowned king Philippe VII of France. France therefore leaves the Quadruple Alliance which means the allies are left without the might of France to contain Spanish Bourbon ambitions.

1720. The war goes quite well for the Franco-Spanish Bourbon alliance. The Spanish recapture Sardinia (already taken in 1717), Sicily, Naples, Gibraltar, and some other smaller areas. France takes the Austrian Netherlands.

It's not completely successful for the Bourbons, though. Milan remains under Habsburg control. The Bourbon-supported Jacobite rising failed. The allies are also able to negotiate a peace to preserve the balance of power and ensure that the Bourbon monarchy isn't formed. Felipe V/Philippe VII must abdicate the Spanish throne for his son Luis (once Luis dies in 1724, then Felipe's third son Carlos becomes king). Felipe V/Philippe VII can keep his French crown, but after his death, his second son Ferdinand becomes the French king. Though France and Spain never unite, the two will remain very close allies.

1780. 60 years have passed, but most of the same European wars of OTL still occur, though the butterflies cause some significant changes.

For one, in the Seven Years' War analogue, Prussia is humiliatingly defeated by the Austro-Russian alliance. Austria retakes Silesia and the Russians take East Prussia (later exchanged to Poland for Courland and Livonia) leaving Brandenburg as the remnant of once-mighty Prussia. Frederick the Great will be known as 'Frederick the Bold' like the Burgundian duke before him - killed in his prime on the field of battle.

The Polish partitions will also never happen because there isn't a strong Prussia to balance Russia and Austria (who is the undisputed power of the HRE). Poland-Lithuania, surprisingly, begins to develop closer relations with the Ottomans, but this is because both are surrounded by the increasingly powerful Russians and Austrians.

Any comments on the map or scenario are appreciated!
A gorgeous map, excellent work!

My Anglo sensibilities are offended by it being in French though. :p
 
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Map of Europe in 1780. Posted on my Deviantart.

POD: The young king Louis XV of France dies suddenly in early 1718 - shortly before the start of the OTL War of the Quadruple Alliance and leaving France a succession crisis.

This changes the plans of Spanish king Felipe V, his queen Elisabetta Farnese and his prime minister Alberoni, which was originally to restore Spanish rule in Italy following the losses during the War of the Spanish Succession. Now, Felipe claims the French crown.

This leads to the creation of an alliance of the British, the Dutch, the Savoyans, and Holy Roman Emperor Karl VI who all support Louis XV's regent Philippe II of Orléans's claim to the French throne. The allies do not want the Spanish back in Italy and are all terrified at the idea of a united Bourbon monarchy of France and Spain. Unfortunately for the allies, the corrupt Philippe is unpopular with the French nobility and the Church, and the OTL conspiracy led by Prince of Cellamare against Philippe is never discovered. Therefore, the conspiracy succeeds in a coup which causes Philippe and some of his supporters to flee the country.

The French welcome Felipe V of Spain and his army enthusiastically and he is crowned king Philippe VII of France. France therefore leaves the Quadruple Alliance which means the allies are left without the might of France to contain Spanish Bourbon ambitions.

1720. The war goes quite well for the Franco-Spanish Bourbon alliance. The Spanish recapture Sardinia (already taken in 1717), Sicily, Naples, Gibraltar, and some other smaller areas. France takes the Austrian Netherlands.

It's not completely successful for the Bourbons, though. Milan remains under Habsburg control. The Bourbon-supported Jacobite rising failed. The allies are also able to negotiate a peace to preserve the balance of power and ensure that the Bourbon monarchy isn't formed. Felipe V/Philippe VII must abdicate the Spanish throne for his son Luis (once Luis dies in 1724, then Felipe's third son Carlos becomes king). Felipe V/Philippe VII can keep his French crown, but after his death, his second son Ferdinand becomes the French king. Though France and Spain never unite, the two will remain very close allies.

1780. 60 years have passed, but most of the same European wars of OTL still occur, though the butterflies cause some significant changes.

For one, in the Seven Years' War analogue, Prussia is humiliatingly defeated by the Austro-Russian alliance. Austria retakes Silesia and the Russians take East Prussia (later exchanged to Poland for Courland and Livonia) leaving Brandenburg as the remnant of once-mighty Prussia. Frederick the Great will be known as 'Frederick the Bold' like the Burgundian duke before him - killed in his prime on the field of battle.

The Polish partitions will also never happen because there isn't a strong Prussia to balance Russia and Austria (who is the undisputed power of the HRE). Poland-Lithuania, surprisingly, begins to develop closer relations with the Ottomans, but this is because both are surrounded by the increasingly powerful Russians and Austrians.

Any comments on the map or scenario are appreciated!
You have done an incredible job! And the map is French which is quite rare here.
Very interesting scenario that you developed, even though I think that France would have had a harder time expanding into the Spanish Netherlands during the War of the French Succession (the sufferings of the wars of Louis XIV were being felt in France at that time).
I would be curious to know what the rest of the world looks like, better colonial empires for Madrid and Paris?
Otherwise to nitpick I find the colours of Brandenburg and Austria too close, at first glance I thought Prussia had Bohemia. 🧐
Also, why is Anatolia not coloured in the same way as Rumelia? Is there an explanation?
Spain got Genoa and Corsica?
Is Hanover in personal union with England or not?
There are the beginnings of the Industrial Revolution in this universe ?
How long did it take you to make this map? And with which software?
Congratulations again to you! 🙂
 
Courtesy of u/Speech500 from Reddit, another "reversed" map of Cold War Europe that's somehow even more cursed.
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At the end of the Second World War, Europe was split in two. The democracies of the West flourished as proponents of freedom, equality, and open trade. In 1959, they united around their shared Slavic identity, forming a union to ensure that war could never divide them again.

The Kingdom of Novigrod acts as the cornerstone of the union, and works closely with the United States on matters of security. The Black Earth Confederation is supportive, but holds the Atlantic partnership at arms length. Despite, or perhaps because of its strategic position, Azerbaijan remains aloof. The small nations of Bryansk, Pskov, and Konigsberg rely on their larger allies for protection against the threat of UESR invasion, and are some of the most densely armed regions in the world. Meanwhile the nations of the Caucasus eye Cyprus, whose colossal UESR naval base dominates the Mediterranean.

Despite the UESR's grand imperial history, it has struggled deeply over recent decades. Corruption, genocide, famine, and nuclear disaster have killed millions and caused vastly more to flee to the West. Its population has stagnated over the last century, where the free democracies beyond the Iron Curtain have more than tripled in size. In order to hold itself together by force, the UESR funnels the nation's wealth into its military, neglecting all other needs. Rebellions in Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia have been violently suppressed.

Ukraine, once the most powerful nation in Europe, remains divided. Its western half is split between the nations of Novgorod, Black Earth, and the United States. In the east, it is a UESR puppet. Officially, both claim Kiev as their capital, though the city is split by the Dnieper River, which is almost impossible to cross. For all practical matters, Ukraine is governed from Karkiv in the West and Lviv in the East. American leadership sees a restored Ukraine as a potential major ally in Europe, and strongly pushes for reunification. Novgorod outwardly supports this, but quietly worries that once reunified, Ukraine would displace them as the leading light of Europe.

Turkey claims neutrality in order to avoid angering the UESR, and allows them to traverse the Caspian Canal. However, it maintains close military partnership with the Slavic Union and United States, who provide weapons and legitimacy in return for access to Turkey's strategic position. While the UESR can access the Black Sea through the Strait of Messina, the Western powers rely on Turkey allowing them access to the Bosphorous.
 
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