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What's the story here? I'm intrigued.
I'm also curious about the British members; the British Isles don't appear to be three states in the map, but the flags have four states?
What does "Left, remained until the end" mean?
British Members seems to be analogous to Ukrainian SSR and Belarusian SSR being seperate members of the UN. So the English CFCP, Scottish CCP and Irish CCP being separate members of the Amsterdam Pact (clearly a Warsaw Pact analogue). (Interestingly England seems to have only gotten separate membership during an alternate glasnost. England was probably seen as the dominant power of CCCP so it was thought they did not need a membership separate from it)
In all but British members it states the date the nations left from the Amsterdam Pact. British members probably stayed until the Amsterdam Pact was officially dissolved. The date they are showed as being leaving is all the same date, which is probably the same date as the dissolution of Amsterdam Pact.
I love Free Bremen in there.
What's the status of Spain?
What is America an analogue of?
EDIT: By the way, torch/shovel/quill is amazing. I'm trying to imagine all of the rhetoric by which clerks and office workers are folded fully into the proletariat fold.
Kaiser Wilhelm the Tenth
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I assume that Russia is a thriving liberal democracy- no?
Also, it's interesting that Sweden is anticommunist while Denmark is neutral, unlike OTL
Spain is probably Yugoslavia. Communist but not in the Amsterdam (Warsaw) Pact. Not sure about America (but I think it might be PRC).
Well the communist world is in the west instead of the east. It makes a lot of sense that Denmark and Norway are neutral like Sweden and Finland were in OTL.
I imagine Denmark is Finland. A free democracy and free economy that nevertheless can't afford to piss off their scary Communist neighbors.
That makes sense; Spain also appears to be federalized.
Uh-oh, yes, there is a story right there, this is definitely not a cheap analogy, right... Well, let's say Princess Alix of Hesse and Rhine accepted a proposal from her cousin and heir to the English throne, Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence and Avondale. As a result, King Jack the Ripper, the Occult Queen and Hemophilia damaged the popularity of the monarchy so much that a communist revolution took place in the British Empire.
Well, technically, it's a mix of Mongolia and the PRC.
What if France won the Seven Years' War?
Despite being arguably the best general of his time, Friedrich II, King in Prussia, couldn't face the combined armies of Sweden, Austria, Russia, Saxony and even France. Defeat after defeat, and a lack of continuous British support, led Friedrich to sign the peace of Leipzig in late 1762. In the treaty, Friedrich agreed to evacuate all occupied land, and to make a series of territorial concessions: Silesia would revert back to Austria, lost during the War of Austrian Succession. Most of the former Swedish controlled Pomerania would go back to the Swedes, Prussia losing its biggest port in the process. But even worse was the Russian annexation of the Duchy of Prussia - to later be given to Poland in exchange for Courland. Despite the loss of the latter, Friedrich would continue styling himself as "King in Prussia" until his death, never fully accepting his defeat.
This map is the first one for a scenario I'm planning, one where France manages to win the global conflict with Britain and Prussia. I hope to make more maps in the near future.
@Entrerriano Prussia was also to lose Magdeburg to Saxony and some of these tiny bits in western Germany ro Wittelsbachs (and some minor territory to Hannover)
On the other hand, that was austrian plan, it wasn´t in french interests about that time to completely destroy main rival to Habsburgs...
Also, and that makes more sense from french perspective, Austria, after retrieving Silesia, was to give up Netherland or at least its part to France or some Bourbon prince ...
I am really looking forward to more maps!
On the other hand, that was austrian plan, it wasn´t in french interests about that time to completely destroy main rival to Habsburgs...
Also, and that makes more sense from french perspective, Austria, after retrieving Silesia, was to give up Netherland or at least its part to France or some Bourbon prince ...
I am really looking forward to more maps!
Oh I actually thought about giving Magdeburg to Saxony but it was just an idea. Do you have a source for that?
Also I'm aware of the Netherlands thing, it's meant to happen some time after the Treaty with Prussia, and not immediately. Same as Russia exchanging the Duchy of Prussia for Courland later.
Maria Theresia biography by Jean Paul Bled
(he also wrote, that Halberstad was, before the war, eventually to be ceded to Hannover)
I'll check it out and if needed I'll edit the map
Edit: well it seems it's only in French and I don't think there's an online copy of it, so I doubt I'll be able to check it
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Aurantiacis
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Trying a hand at some OTL mapping to prepare myself for a potentially large project I have planned. I'm pretty happy with the aesthetic of it.
Crossposting my MOTF entry:
A very recent POD this time: the major Mississippi River floods of 2011 are a little more major and a little less well-handled. The Old River Control Structure and Morganza Spillway, which keep the river on its current course through Baton Rouge and New Orleans, fail, and the main flow of the river switches into the Atchafalaya, taking a steeper, shorter route to the Gulf. The economic consequences, especially in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, are terrible. The ports of New Orleans and Baton Rouge become unusable as the river narrows and loses depth, putting strain on oil and food supplies nationwide. The country recovers, but New Orleans will never be the same again. Tens of thousands of jobs disappear. Many who left after Katrina never return. The port facilities are not upgraded upon the Panama Canal's 2016 expansion, and are soon obsolete: the new size of Panamax couldn't come to dock even if the water were deep enough. Tax revenue dwindles, crime rises, and the streets empty out. Tourism, which so many had counted on to sustain the city in the absence of trade, begins to falter as the urban landscape decays. The city becomes a husk, half depopulated, soon more than half. Over the decades, Gulf waters will rise up and the former river delta subside. Parts of the French Quarter will be disassembled and rebuilt in Las Vegas, but the rest of what was New Orleans will one day slip, mourned but not defended, beneath the waves.
This map is a from a ten-year retrospective article on the decline of New Orleans, with Baton Rouge and Morgan City (near the mouth of the Atchafalaya) shown as well. Baton Rouge has suffered badly but has retained its massive oil refineries (now with more complicated logistics) and status as capital, and so will survive. Morgan City was virtually wiped out in the initial flood of the Atchafalaya. It has been rebuilt, though the new city and old town have little in common beyond the name--the original population has been swamped by newcomers constructing and operating its ultra-modern new port. In fact, the whole Atchafalaya basin is filling with people. Once the heart of Cajun Country and home to some of the better preserved natural lands in the state, the region's distinctive character is already being swept aside by the torrent of wealth and activity that is the Mississippi River.
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This idea started with a much earlier POD, with New Orleans as a city state and the river intentionally diverted by its unfriendly northern neighbors, but I couldn't quite get it to hang together. As I researched the Atchafalaya capture scenario, I realized that there was a perfectly good POD in recent memory, with a bit more story already baked in: Katrina weakening and temporarily depopulating the city five years earlier, the Panama Canal expansion potentially leaving a failing NOLA behind five years later. I don't really have any idea whether my water level for the Mississippi is reasonable--I can't tell from what I've read how quickly the switch would take place, only that a threshhold would be crossed and the main current could not be recovered. I have a feeling that the map shows too wide a river--maybe the state has deliberately diverted what it could that direction?
A very recent POD this time: the major Mississippi River floods of 2011 are a little more major and a little less well-handled. The Old River Control Structure and Morganza Spillway, which keep the river on its current course through Baton Rouge and New Orleans, fail, and the main flow of the river switches into the Atchafalaya, taking a steeper, shorter route to the Gulf. The economic consequences, especially in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, are terrible. The ports of New Orleans and Baton Rouge become unusable as the river narrows and loses depth, putting strain on oil and food supplies nationwide. The country recovers, but New Orleans will never be the same again. Tens of thousands of jobs disappear. Many who left after Katrina never return. The port facilities are not upgraded upon the Panama Canal's 2016 expansion, and are soon obsolete: the new size of Panamax couldn't come to dock even if the water were deep enough. Tax revenue dwindles, crime rises, and the streets empty out. Tourism, which so many had counted on to sustain the city in the absence of trade, begins to falter as the urban landscape decays. The city becomes a husk, half depopulated, soon more than half. Over the decades, Gulf waters will rise up and the former river delta subside. Parts of the French Quarter will be disassembled and rebuilt in Las Vegas, but the rest of what was New Orleans will one day slip, mourned but not defended, beneath the waves.
This map is a from a ten-year retrospective article on the decline of New Orleans, with Baton Rouge and Morgan City (near the mouth of the Atchafalaya) shown as well. Baton Rouge has suffered badly but has retained its massive oil refineries (now with more complicated logistics) and status as capital, and so will survive. Morgan City was virtually wiped out in the initial flood of the Atchafalaya. It has been rebuilt, though the new city and old town have little in common beyond the name--the original population has been swamped by newcomers constructing and operating its ultra-modern new port. In fact, the whole Atchafalaya basin is filling with people. Once the heart of Cajun Country and home to some of the better preserved natural lands in the state, the region's distinctive character is already being swept aside by the torrent of wealth and activity that is the Mississippi River.
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This idea started with a much earlier POD, with New Orleans as a city state and the river intentionally diverted by its unfriendly northern neighbors, but I couldn't quite get it to hang together. As I researched the Atchafalaya capture scenario, I realized that there was a perfectly good POD in recent memory, with a bit more story already baked in: Katrina weakening and temporarily depopulating the city five years earlier, the Panama Canal expansion potentially leaving a failing NOLA behind five years later. I don't really have any idea whether my water level for the Mississippi is reasonable--I can't tell from what I've read how quickly the switch would take place, only that a threshhold would be crossed and the main current could not be recovered. I have a feeling that the map shows too wide a river--maybe the state has deliberately diverted what it could that direction?
Here's the thing... Nobody knows what the new course will look like. You just can't precisely predict the end-result of a river the sheer size of the Mississippi changing course. They can model estimates and make projections, but in the end, who is to say? Your map is a good endpoint.
Very nice job.
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