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That's a bit harsh, innit? I've seen a number of maps in here that aren't a part of the cover project or motf that are pretty decent and interesting.
Apologies, folks. Misspoke there- I more meant that there's a comparative lack of content (well, looking back this is wrong, there's a lack of discussion, though), meaning that reaction memes aren't exactly needing to be too taboo anymore especially as it does refer to a conversation at hand & isn't too spammy.
Yeah, it was. There are a lot of interesting maps. I was mistaken and tired and stuff.
God, I love wacky alt-geos like this. Is that Australia in the middle there?
I like the geography around the straits- I imagine whoever rules them (especially the one for Brittany, that looks like a sick port) rules the waves. Doggerland's barrier islands look like they're about to go Dutch.
Will there be a sequel to this? I trust you aren't going to just leave us on that level of a cliffhanger.
‘Democracy and the CPC: The End of Communism’
2007-08-01
The right to choose one’s leader is an inevitable facet of the human spirit. Many countries attempted to resist this fact, but they all fell to the demands of democracy and self-government. The Soviet Union crumbled in response to national aspirations for democracy. China presumed it could avoid this fate- the ruling Communist Party thought Tiananmen would be forgotten by the people. Now, the Chinese regime recognizes that the more they suppress democracy, the brighter it burns.
As the new century dawned more and more members within the party realized democracy was a necessity. Their motive was not altruistic but rather a calculated gamble to keep the populace satisfied enough to nullify any demands for real, structural change. Jiang’s successor presided over numerous important reforms such as the opening of a stock exchange in Beijing and the creation of numerous Special Economic Zones (SEZs) to facilitate foreign investment. This signaled a shift away from the old totalitarian system, in which everything was dictated from the top-down by the all-powerful Central Committee.
In the new system, every member of the Communist Party would have the opportunity to vote for both the National Congress, the Central Committee, and even the highest position within the Communist Party- the General Secretary.
It was hoped that with the advent of intra-party democracy, the need for higher state organs such as the Politburo and Standing Committee would be abolished, but the party liberals made it clear that intra-party democracy must work in order for the experiment to continue. In addition, party conservatives have made it clear that they won’t stand for these “capitalist roader reforms”. The most prominent of these voices is Xi Jinping, who intends to break this new system and bring back the ideals of “true Leninist thought” within the party.
The liberal faction, even if they are part of the same party that killed millions of people in the ‘60s, should be seen as the lesser evil compared to the hardliners. In a way, this should be seen as the coming of a Chinese perestroika, whereby the people will be able to express their opinions, and show the world that democracy has applications outside the West as well.
Electoral Violence Rocks Beijing Amid Chaotic Elections
By Zhang Yuzhong | chinadaily.com.cn | Updated: 2007-08-16 13:47
Unrest brews in Beijing as reports of violence among rival factions of the CPC threaten to disrupt the already fragile election process. Local party offices have been ransacked by masked men and open street combat between rival factions threaten to undo the last few years’ work of reform in China.
Already, the chaos around the elections has been touted by party conservatives as a sign that the reform package has been a monumental failure, highlighting the gross factionalism that plagues a once united party. In particular, the city of Beijing has experienced some of the worst infighting in the weeks preceding the election. Zhou Yongkang, a member of the liberal faction and major presidential candidate, has been criticized for his unwillingness to restore order in the worst-affected areas of the city. These areas have been suffering from an uptick in poverty and factional infighting, and have seen the worst of electoral violence.
Local Li Qiang comments on the violence that has escalated throughout his neighborhood and the instability the elections have brought:
“Just look at this street- nothing but decay and fire. My business has been ransacked, and the local deputy hasn’t charged anyone for this. How can anyone say this election will change anything?!”
This hasn’t only affected the lower classes of Beijing. The violence has spread to the suburbs, but not in the way one would think. People are being intimidated by gangs to vote for Zhou. Many have been either coerced with cash, pay raises, or brute force in order to keep them in line. One such civilian, who has asked to remain anonymous, remarks on the similarities between this and Russia post-Yeltsin:
“No one can argue that the reform package has been good, but it’s so entrenched within the party that it’d take someone with enough will to uproot all of it. Every major candidate, save for Xi, Chen, and many others, has used some form of intimidation to get us to vote. This is exactly what Putin did when the Communist Party challenged his regime- they harassed, bribed, and killed, all to keep them in line. How can anyone say this will be different?”
With the election still underway, it remains to be seen if this intimidation will result in the triumph of the liberals, or if firebrand Xi Jinping can make it and, in his words, “steer the ship back on the right direction.”
OPINION: ‘Trucker lords’ in collusion with prominent liberal politicians
By Steve Harrow
Source: Global Times
Published: 2007/10/8 15:41:19
China and trucking always was an uneasy combination. During the administrations of both Jiang Zemin and his successor, the opening of the nation to foreign investment and technology gave truckers a competitive advantage. As they became too much to handle, many local governments turned over trucker regulation to newly-formed private enterprises.
In theory, these enterprises and their leaders would have the full support of the national, provincial, and municipal governments, provided they delivered said products on time and with the utmost quality of transportation.
That is no longer the case.
Nearly a decade after trucker privatization was implemented, China’s trucking industry has fallen under the control of what many disparangely call “trucker lords”. These ‘trucker lords’ have become the subject of much controversy due to their alleged ties to the CPC’s liberal faction, being seen as their main agent in China’s interior provinces.
One infamous ‘trucker lord’ is Huang Zhou, whose trucking empire spans Xinjiang, Qinghai, Gansu, Shanxi and the Ningxia Autonomous Region. He is a personal friend of leading liberal politician Bo Xilai and there is much suspicion that the latter uses Huang’s network to enrich himself via extortions and kickbacks on vital goods and services. In addition, it has been observed, but officially reported that trucker lords have been strong-arming and intimidating local CPC party members into voting for the liberal bloc. Many trucker lords have raised prices, rendered services unavailable, and in some cases even simply refused to deliver supplies in order to starve disobedient regions into voting for their preferred candidate. But in most cases, it seems they prefer intimidation and violence. Hong Kuang, a provincial clerk from Qinghai and prominent critic of the trucker lords, was found dead last week, having been shot twenty-three times- an open warning to anyone who speaks out against their webs of influence.
The trucker lords’ influence has become even more apparent after the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection investigated prominent trucker lords and discovered many of them had married into the families of major liberal politicians. Li Changchun, a careerist politician noted as a “fixer” of Shenzhen’s corporate monopolies, has been documented making contractual marriages between corporate leaders and major trucker lords, formalizing already-established agreements.
It is clear that the trucker lords have significant influence over this election, and perhaps many more for the foreseeable future. As the trucker lords become increasingly entwined with the liberal faction of the CPC, the hardliners seem like the only Chinese faction willing to root out corruption and break the power of these trucker lords.
The author is an expert in Chinese internal politics who writes about China’s current situation. He holds a Bachelor of Journalism degree. opinion@globaltimes.com.cn
Xi stresses the need for the reinvigoration of socialism with Chinese characteristics amid growing instability
(Xinhua) 05:32, October 15, 2007
Xi Jinping, Party Secretary of Zhejiang province, and candidate for the position of General Secretary in China’s first elections, calls for a return to the pre-Jiang era, citing core issues within the Chinese economy and nation as the failing of the Program for Inter-Party Democracy for the Development of Socialism.
BEIJING, Oct. 15 (Xinhua) -- Xi Jinping has called for a massive, party-wide rejection of the Development Program and the return to the traditions of the Communist Party.
Xi, a major frontrunner for the position of General Secretary, has made it clear that socialism will not be discarded in favor of relentless economic growth, and the interior of the People’s Republic will not be abandoned.
Xi underlined the main cause of strife and social upheaval being the Development Program, one initiated by Jiang’s successor. The campaign that was supposed to actualize true intra-party democracy and represent the will of the people has caused great upheaval in the Communist Party. The process by which the Communist Party has to organize, prepare, and safeguard nearly a hundred million ballots is already daunting enough, but with the introduction of factionalism, there is a greater impetus for catastrophe.
Already, reports of fraud in Shandong, Jiangsu, Zhejiang, and Fujian have frustrated many in the Central Committee and the Central Political Bureau.
Because of the Development Program, as well as other programs initiated during, GDP in the coastal provinces has increased by 40% in the past decade, while GDP in the interior provinces have remained where they were during Jiang Zemin’s tenure. In addition, economic inequality has reached levels never thought possible in the People’s Republic.
“How can the people's livelihood be secured when those roaders in Beijing do nothing to uplift the people’s wellbeing? Look around you- does this look like socialism? Does rampant inequality, open patronage, and street violence look like it? Ask yourself if these platitudes to the West are worth it. Is it really worth it to throw away the hard work our fathers and grandfathers have put in the development of the nation?”
Xi has emphasized if he wins the election, he will eliminate the inequality between the regions, reverse the Program, and steer the country back on the path of socialism.
Elections in China prove inconclusive (Updated Live)
Jeffery Kuang
Published 12:32, October 19, 2007
The circumstances surrounding the first Communist Party election were marred by chaos and confusion, with nearly a thousand deaths due to electoral violence. Nevertheless after nine days of extensive counting the newly-formed Central Elections Department announced the results.
Only Communist Party factions were allowed to run. Two broad coalitions developed, one led by renowned hardliner Xi Jinping and the other by prominent liberal figure Bo Xilai. Candidates Ling Jinhua, Li Changchun, Zhou Yongkang and Wu Bangguo agreed to caucus with Xilai while Chen Quanguo, Li Jianguo, Zhang Dejiang, Zhang Youxia, and Zhou Qiang reached an agreement to govern with Xi should he win. Nevertheless, both coalitions are at an impasse- although the Xi-led hardliner coalition has a slight plurality in all the higher Chinese organs of state it has not obtained a majority as dictated by the Rules Office of the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection.
With this political inconclusivity, it remains to be seen which direction China’s newborn semi-democracy will take the nation in…,
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Cross posted from the latest MotF.
In 2276, the Presidency does not matter. All power is held by the Speaker of the House, the CIA Director (hereditary), and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (with 144 Justices). The Presidency is a purely ceremonial role, akin to a king or queen in a Constitutional Monarchy. Presidents give some (mostly apolitical) speeches and entertain foreign dignitaries at the White Dome, the executive mansion.
The American electorate decided that the incumbent Vice President, Victoria X Jackson, had taken her role too seriously. The people, knowing the presidency to be a joke, wanted a president who also knew the presidency was a joke. When two (former?) male strippers ran, they cornered the women’s vote, and got enough men on board with their immature antics to pull an upset over their rivals.
These were chaotic and dangerous times, with the Ongoing Evacuation, domestic discord and protests, and tensions with the Polish Ascendancy and their client state, the Greater American Union. The people of the United States of America didn’t want an active, political presidency.
And they didn’t get one with the Aquino/Bhandarkar Administration. Instead of doing anything serious or political, they held traveling parties and festivals across the United States. They held singing contests for charity to raise money for the Evacuation. They challenged the Ascendant of the Polish Ascendancy to a dance-off (which quickly devolved into a rap battle). Nothing was serious, but everything they did made the American people feel better, and improved relations with their neighbors.
Reed Aquino went down in the history books as the most successful president in two centuries.
What kind of dark Gods did you have to satisfy the hunger of, to come up with something so cursed?
I love this.
Ludovicus Invictus! - A Map of a More Successful Louis XIV
A map where Louis XIV is more successful in his wars. Here in ttl he though a more measured approach, relies on diplomacy as much as warfare to work with the English as well as other European powers to achieve his geopolitical goals. Louis XIV here manages to overrun the Spanish Netherlands and eventually crush the upstart Dutch Republic. The Habsburgs of Austria collapsed in 1670 with Emperor Leopold I dying of sudden illness. The hopes the Habsburgs are crushed when his posthumous heir dies in infancy seeing the Habsburgs crumble. Within this interregnum the Wittlesbachs of Bavaria manage to usurp the Crown of Bohemia and the Imperial title. The Hungarians aristocracy manage to revolt against the Austrians who attain independence in the wake of the Habsburgs' collapse. Hungary however in the aftermath is overrun by the Ottoman backed vassal encroaching further into the lands of Christendom. However this leaves France the most powerful and important state in Christendom now with it and by extension, the Sun King himself, the axis around which all of Europe revolved. With relations straining with the Bavarians Louis XIV in the Wars of Devolution plays the Habsburgs and Wittlesbachs against each other where he manages to take much of the Rhineland and Low Countries boosting France's economic potential. Though his alliance with subsidization of Charles II, the House of Stuart now sits at the height of its popularity with the King building a new navy and tilting the balance of power within Britain towards the throne as opposed to Parliament. With the seizure of Zeeland which Charles adds to the Royal Crownlands, he now had more access to trade revenues making him functionally fiscally independent from Parliament.
What do you guys think of this map and tl?
A map where Louis XIV is more successful in his wars. Here in ttl he though a more measured approach, relies on diplomacy as much as warfare to work with the English as well as other European powers to achieve his geopolitical goals. Louis XIV here manages to overrun the Spanish Netherlands and eventually crush the upstart Dutch Republic. The Habsburgs of Austria collapsed in 1670 with Emperor Leopold I dying of sudden illness. The hopes the Habsburgs are crushed when his posthumous heir dies in infancy seeing the Habsburgs crumble. Within this interregnum the Wittlesbachs of Bavaria manage to usurp the Crown of Bohemia and the Imperial title. The Hungarians aristocracy manage to revolt against the Austrians who attain independence in the wake of the Habsburgs' collapse. Hungary however in the aftermath is overrun by the Ottoman backed vassal encroaching further into the lands of Christendom. However this leaves France the most powerful and important state in Christendom now with it and by extension, the Sun King himself, the axis around which all of Europe revolved. With relations straining with the Bavarians Louis XIV in the Wars of Devolution plays the Habsburgs and Wittlesbachs against each other where he manages to take much of the Rhineland and Low Countries boosting France's economic potential. Though his alliance with subsidization of Charles II, the House of Stuart now sits at the height of its popularity with the King building a new navy and tilting the balance of power within Britain towards the throne as opposed to Parliament. With the seizure of Zeeland which Charles adds to the Royal Crownlands, he now had more access to trade revenues making him functionally fiscally independent from Parliament.
whatCross posted from the latest MotF.
In 2276, the Presidency does not matter. All power is held by the Speaker of the House, the CIA Director (hereditary), and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (with 144 Justices). The Presidency is a purely ceremonial role, akin to a king or queen in a Constitutional Monarchy. Presidents give some (mostly apolitical) speeches and entertain foreign dignitaries at the White Dome, the executive mansion.
The American electorate decided that the incumbent Vice President, Victoria X Jackson, had taken her role too seriously. The people, knowing the presidency to be a joke, wanted a president who also knew the presidency was a joke. When two (former?) male strippers ran, they cornered the women’s vote, and got enough men on board with their immature antics to pull an upset over their rivals.
These were chaotic and dangerous times, with the Ongoing Evacuation, domestic discord and protests, and tensions with the Polish Ascendancy and their client state, the Greater American Union. The people of the United States of America didn’t want an active, political presidency.
And they didn’t get one with the Aquino/Bhandarkar Administration. Instead of doing anything serious or political, they held traveling parties and festivals across the United States. They held singing contests for charity to raise money for the Evacuation. They challenged the Ascendant of the Polish Ascendancy to a dance-off (which quickly devolved into a rap battle). Nothing was serious, but everything they did made the American people feel better, and improved relations with their neighbors.
Reed Aquino went down in the history books as the most successful president in two centuries.
France seems a little small to meLudovicus Invictus! - A Map of a More Successful Louis XIVWhat do you guys think of this map and tl?
A map where Louis XIV is more successful in his wars. Here in ttl he though a more measured approach, relies on diplomacy as much as warfare to work with the English as well as other European powers to achieve his geopolitical goals. Louis XIV here manages to overrun the Spanish Netherlands and eventually crush the upstart Dutch Republic. The Habsburgs of Austria collapsed in 1670 with Emperor Leopold I dying of sudden illness. The hopes the Habsburgs are crushed when his posthumous heir dies in infancy seeing the Habsburgs crumble. Within this interregnum the Wittlesbachs of Bavaria manage to usurp the Crown of Bohemia and the Imperial title. The Hungarians aristocracy manage to revolt against the Austrians who attain independence in the wake of the Habsburgs' collapse. Hungary however in the aftermath is overrun by the Ottoman backed vassal encroaching further into the lands of Christendom. However this leaves France the most powerful and important state in Christendom now with it and by extension, the Sun King himself, the axis around which all of Europe revolved. With relations straining with the Bavarians Louis XIV in the Wars of Devolution plays the Habsburgs and Wittlesbachs against each other where he manages to take much of the Rhineland and Low Countries boosting France's economic potential. Though his alliance with subsidization of Charles II, the House of Stuart now sits at the height of its popularity with the King building a new navy and tilting the balance of power within Britain towards the throne as opposed to Parliament. With the seizure of Zeeland which Charles adds to the Royal Crownlands, he now had more access to trade revenues making him functionally fiscally independent from Parliament.
Louis XIV: I agree. Here I go conquering againFrance seems a little small to me
Continental Europe: No! Please no!
Louis XIV: hahaha! Royal French Army goes brrr
@Basileus_Komnenos thats great! aybe you could ad Savoy and/or Nizza to France to achieve its "natural borders" as otl Louis aimed?
Also I would like to see borders inside HRE, how they changed, aside of Bavaria-Bohemia.
How is Austria doing? Also vassalized by Ottomans, some surviving Habsburgs, Wittelsbachs or something else?
Is there different colonization? What happen to Netherland overseas possesion? All of them went to Charles, partitioned with France or someone else?
Spain is under Bourbons, I guess?
And what about Poland and Sweden?
I am overly curious, if you don´t have answers its ok
Also I would like to see borders inside HRE, how they changed, aside of Bavaria-Bohemia.
How is Austria doing? Also vassalized by Ottomans, some surviving Habsburgs, Wittelsbachs or something else?
Is there different colonization? What happen to Netherland overseas possesion? All of them went to Charles, partitioned with France or someone else?
Spain is under Bourbons, I guess?
And what about Poland and Sweden?
I am overly curious, if you don´t have answers its ok
Any particular reason why Equatorial Guinea has been annexed by Gabon? And why there is a unified Germany?
IMO, the Anglo-French Union would probably be able to hold onto a few more of France's colonies.
Otherwise, coolness.
In this world, Spain sold Equatorial Guinea in the 19th century to the other colonial powers concerned. Otherwise, it happens in the XXIst ATL, and curiously Britain has retained Guyana like France Guyane.
An excellent map and scenario, courtesy of u/-strawberryfields- from Reddit, titled “The Maple Leaf Forever”.
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What a hassle the Channel Union must have when it comes to flags. If only the French had a white cross with blue quarters for their flag they would fit right in. What is the story behind Central America, with Colombian Panama on one hand, a united Central America on the other, plus the Americans in those small islands that I assume one or the other would have claimed if not both? I see Jamaica isn’t on the map, but assume that is just due to the base map itself. Would it have been British here?
In this TL, the UPCA never imploded, which explains United Central America. In addition, the canal was built in this region instead of Panama, which is why the region is still Colombian. As for Jamaica, it is independent, but it is not mentioned on the base map. In addition, in this TL, the purchase of Santo Domigo in '70 is successful for the US, and they also buy the Providence and San Andrés islands from Colombia.
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Why do Americans so often confuse the words capital and capitol?An excellent map and scenario, courtesy of u/-strawberryfields- from Reddit, titled “The Maple Leaf Forever”.
In the aftermath of a Second American Civil War won by conservative forces, liberal-sympathetic Canada offered protectorate status to any border region that wants it; this eventually snowballed into the outright annexation of multiple American states under an UN-enforced referendum, more than doubling the Canadian population in the aftermath.
This is a sequel to a previous map, titled "The Second American Civil War: Opening Shots".
The aftermath of the Second American Civil War and the ensuing unrest following the conservative victory left major power vacuums in large sections of the United States. After the Peace of Denver was signed in 2028 and the last liberal-aligned guerilla regiments surrendered two years later, the large-scale pro-democratic riots which had burnt across major cities in the U.S. only intensified in nature. Far-right-wing militia groups, including the Proud Boys and their affiliates, assumed the duties of the police battalions, who had long-since been forced to flee for rural areas. Unwilling to contend with this growing destabilisation, which by 2032 was primarily concentrated in the cities and towns of the old Yankee centers in the far north of the U.S., the Canadian government, long in favour of the protests and under major international pressure to act, decreed it would establish protectorates to any region within reach of its borders that wanted one.
What it did not anticipate, however, was the overwhelming show of support from communities even hundreds of miles away from the border, who by now had grown accustomed to militia warlordism and blatant genocide of their own ethnic and religious minorities who had not already managed to escape to Canada. While U.S. federal agents successfully sabotaged most voting booths and practiced large-scale intimidation efforts, even going so far as to publish alternative statistics of the election in which the results were strongly in favour of American union (and turnout exceeded the population of some districts), in reality 19 out of the 30 hastily-erected electoral districts had voted in favour of annexation by Canada. (Two districts' elections, Cook County and Alaska, were so fraudulent and overrun with corruption that their results were thrown out entirely. An emergency meeting of the electoral commission simply presumed the results to be pro-Canadian based on previous voting patterns in American elections.)
Faced with the administratively daunting task of annexing large territorial swathes of the greatest military power in the world and a population greater than all Canada itself, Parliament Hill called on the United Nations to assemble a task force capable of enforcing the results of the election. It promptly (and with large Russian and Chinese manpower contributions) raised this force - however, as the world would discover in 2033, its necessity was largely theatrical in nature. Most areas of the U.S. close to the Canadian border had been devoid of military authority and essentially anarchic in nature for the better part of a decade. This would go on to solidify the now-famous Northern Lights Communal Constellation in the leading political minds of the world for generations to come. Regardless, over the next year and a half, the combined U.N. army managed to neutralise those militias which refused to escape to the remainder of the U.S. Controversially, they also denied millions of internal American refugees from entering these districts. While many Canadians, clinging to their traditionally nationalist narrative of separation from America, objected to incorporating an entire Canada's worth of Americans into their country, the majority of native-born Canadians took the government's view that such gripes were outdated and did not apply - as a popular saying went, "They brought their homes with 'em!"
Accommodating these new areas would prove a fairly easy task, as most of the formerly American territories had been devoid of administrative work encompassing areas larger than a small town or neighborhood. In order to avoid a heavy-handed approach, Ottawa elected to arrange for the appointment of local officials to autonomous regional capitols in the cities of Saint Paul and Boston. Alaska and most of the state of Washington were the exceptions to this rule, joining the Canadian Federation as the fully-fledged provinces of Alaska and Cascadia much earlier on. Within a scant few years, the remaining territories were consolidated into a set of six new provinces, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Haudenosaunee and New England, and fully integrated as well. This political realignment coincided with a major cultural shift in the understanding of what it means to be Canadian. In accepting these new provinces, Canadian citizens proclaimed to the world their commitment to fighting the forces which, as previous generations of Americans had naïvely stated, "could never happen here".
This also marked the first major postmodern anti-nationalist political development since the foundation of the European Union in 1993. It is therefore quite ironic that the people of the annexed provinces eagerly accepted Canadian culture, happy to trade their old American identities for Canadian ones in order to preserve their democratic traditions which, by the 2030s, were perceived as antithetical to Americanism.
However, this transition was not entirely peaceful - not remotely. The three districts of Astoria, Portland, and Willamette which voted in favour of annexation continue to be heavily occupied by right-wing private militias and local police forces. This is likely meant as a symbolic gesture towards American federal authority displayed in the rebellious Portland time and time again over the course of the Second American Civil War. Conversely, the district of New Haven, which voted to remain with the U.S., was regardless swarmed with violent agitators from nearby New York for even daring to hold the vote in the first place. As soon as the unrest died down and the provocateurs refocused their efforts on minority populations in New York and New Jersey, Canadian operatives, aided by locals, swept their garrisons westward and liberated the remainder of Connecticut in under a day.
While the American government, its military, and most importantly its myriad of private militias were unable to quell the sentiments of their own people, their flag maintains its fifty stars with a healthy dose of revanchism - new to the American mindset but easily folded into the ever-growing list of 'grievances' the American government has demanded the international community address. World leaders now face a unique dilemma - which side, American or Canadian, to support - and their collective decisions will shape the future of the geopolitical landscape as humanity ambles into the blind, daunting future.
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