Tbh, Mexican provincial borders do have a sort of rhyme and reason, with associations between and infrastructure connections to large cities but I drew some around larger cities and pretended to know what i was doing for the rest
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Tbh, Mexican provincial borders do have a sort of rhyme and reason, with associations between and infrastructure connections to large cities but I drew some around larger cities and pretended to know what i was doing for the rest
and pretended to know what i was doing for the rest
This is all too familiar to me
I have had this idea in my head for a while now, that I may or may not turn into a thread. I will post a map here if it interests anyone.
This whole thing is good, but this part is amazing! Yankee Traders world!
Presenting a scenario 60 years after Canada, Iraqi Kurdistan, Kenya, Hainan Island and Taiwan are ISOTed to a virgin earth:
Currently the most developed and stable of the surviving nations is the Republic of Canada, which has benefitted tremendously from access to the resources of its former neighbor to the south. It is considered the eminent power in this new world, with room for expansion with new colony territories in the American South and Russian Far East. The country has maintained Westminster-style parliamentary government with an elected figurehead president in place of a monarch. Canada's chief concern is developing its agriculture and maintaining cool, if strained, relations with the State of Quebec, especially in light of the latter's expulsion of Newfoundlanders/Labradorians during the brief Quebecois Secession War. Interestingly, these same refugees would be involved in the settlement of Canada's new southern provinces, an ironic echo of the 18th century Acadian expulsion.
The second eminent power of this world is Kenya, which boasts the largest population of any extant nation (nearly 100 million). Though the country suffered chaos and near-collapse in the short term after the Event, a group of technocrats seized the opportunity and ultimately managed to marshal the country into sufficient shape to withstand the challenge of surviving in the new world. This TL's Kenya is a quasi-authoritarian welfare state dedicated to self-preservation and self sufficiency with modest xenophobic tendencies. The country now dominates the Horn of Africa, the Red Sea, and even splits control of Cyprus with Great Kurdistan.
Great Kurdistan is the poorest of the surviving powers. Originally the Iraqi Kurds felt like they were in paradise, having seen all opponents to their long-held ambitions vanish overnight. However, the reality of trying to construct and maintain a modernized state without a global economy and only modest domestic development soon proved an obstacle. Great Kurdistan certainly holds considerable control over the Middle East (with the exception of Cyprus) and is peaceful. However, it is by far the poorest nation, and in many areas appears to resemble the 19th century in terms of technological and economic development. Kurdistan 50 years on is a democratic petrostate, the number 2 source of oil (number 1 for Kenya) after Canada. The nature of Kenya's dependence on Kurdistan for oil and rivaling territorial expansion has resulted in tensions between the two.
These tensions are dwarfed in comparison, though, to the cold war simmering between the Taiwanese Republic of China and the Hainanese Chinese People's State. The question of Chinese governing legitimacy has continued even after the Event. Democratic Taiwan had a leg up in the short term post-Event, was able to quickly recover from the shock and proceeded to colonize the mainland in the name of realizing a greater China. Hainan, on the other hand, experienced significant upheaval with the sudden end of contact with the command structure from Beijing. Ultimately a civil war ensued resulting in a hardline revolutionary faction taking over and reforming Hainan as the Chinese People's State. Eventually the two Chinas came into conflict, waging a war that stalemated and ended in the creation of a buffer state (the Pacific Republic) based out of Hong Kong Island between them and peopled by foreigners/tourists who were trapped during the Event. Though the war ended 25 years ago, the two Chinas still maintain an aggressive arms and colonization race. Taiwan economically and demographically is superior given its resource-laden Yellow Sea colonies, but Hainan's military buildup is becoming harder to counter.
In general the nations of TTL only interact with those closest in their regions. Canada is the sole power that maintains strong international trade with all nations, creating a strong merchant marine in the vein of the US and UK before it. The Republic of China conducts trade with nearly all powers save the CPS. The CPS and Kenya are isolationist, though the latter to a lesser extent (Kenya charges Canada and the ROC to access its New Suez Canal). Quebec remains aloof. Greater Kurdistan largely carries on and develops, while the Pacific Republic worriedly sits in the middle of a potential warzone. There are no standing international alliances at present, although the CPS has been sending feelers to Kenya about a possible future defense pact. . .
Currently the most developed and stable of the surviving nations is the Republic of Canada, which has benefitted tremendously from access to the resources of its former neighbor to the south. It is considered the eminent power in this new world, with room for expansion with new colony territories in the American South and Russian Far East. The country has maintained Westminster-style parliamentary government with an elected figurehead president in place of a monarch. Canada's chief concern is developing its agriculture and maintaining cool, if strained, relations with the State of Quebec, especially in light of the latter's expulsion of Newfoundlanders/Labradorians during the brief Quebecois Secession War. Interestingly, these same refugees would be involved in the settlement of Canada's new southern provinces, an ironic echo of the 18th century Acadian expulsion.
The second eminent power of this world is Kenya, which boasts the largest population of any extant nation (nearly 100 million). Though the country suffered chaos and near-collapse in the short term after the Event, a group of technocrats seized the opportunity and ultimately managed to marshal the country into sufficient shape to withstand the challenge of surviving in the new world. This TL's Kenya is a quasi-authoritarian welfare state dedicated to self-preservation and self sufficiency with modest xenophobic tendencies. The country now dominates the Horn of Africa, the Red Sea, and even splits control of Cyprus with Great Kurdistan.
Great Kurdistan is the poorest of the surviving powers. Originally the Iraqi Kurds felt like they were in paradise, having seen all opponents to their long-held ambitions vanish overnight. However, the reality of trying to construct and maintain a modernized state without a global economy and only modest domestic development soon proved an obstacle. Great Kurdistan certainly holds considerable control over the Middle East (with the exception of Cyprus) and is peaceful. However, it is by far the poorest nation, and in many areas appears to resemble the 19th century in terms of technological and economic development. Kurdistan 50 years on is a democratic petrostate, the number 2 source of oil (number 1 for Kenya) after Canada. The nature of Kenya's dependence on Kurdistan for oil and rivaling territorial expansion has resulted in tensions between the two.
These tensions are dwarfed in comparison, though, to the cold war simmering between the Taiwanese Republic of China and the Hainanese Chinese People's State. The question of Chinese governing legitimacy has continued even after the Event. Democratic Taiwan had a leg up in the short term post-Event, was able to quickly recover from the shock and proceeded to colonize the mainland in the name of realizing a greater China. Hainan, on the other hand, experienced significant upheaval with the sudden end of contact with the command structure from Beijing. Ultimately a civil war ensued resulting in a hardline revolutionary faction taking over and reforming Hainan as the Chinese People's State. Eventually the two Chinas came into conflict, waging a war that stalemated and ended in the creation of a buffer state (the Pacific Republic) based out of Hong Kong Island between them and peopled by foreigners/tourists who were trapped during the Event. Though the war ended 25 years ago, the two Chinas still maintain an aggressive arms and colonization race. Taiwan economically and demographically is superior given its resource-laden Yellow Sea colonies, but Hainan's military buildup is becoming harder to counter.
In general the nations of TTL only interact with those closest in their regions. Canada is the sole power that maintains strong international trade with all nations, creating a strong merchant marine in the vein of the US and UK before it. The Republic of China conducts trade with nearly all powers save the CPS. The CPS and Kenya are isolationist, though the latter to a lesser extent (Kenya charges Canada and the ROC to access its New Suez Canal). Quebec remains aloof. Greater Kurdistan largely carries on and develops, while the Pacific Republic worriedly sits in the middle of a potential warzone. There are no standing international alliances at present, although the CPS has been sending feelers to Kenya about a possible future defense pact. . .
Rhodes will need to go to Italy. And I don't think the Germans seized Svalbard. The Finns are also likely to have seized that Soviet naval area in the southwest of their country. Don't think the Vatican should count as Axis or Axis occupied. And wasn't Monaco still independent? Liechenstein also should be left behind. Apparently the local Nazis didn't like that the Prince's wife was Jewish. Anyways, for this map I expect we are going to see a lot involving forced labor. I had mused over that if someone did a Central Powers Victory, with a Germany colony or two coming along, that it would end up with the populatoin forced into labor in expanded colonies. Also, do you think the Germans might put a hold to their expansion to the East in favor of populating England? Might be the SS is given part of that, though there is now very little innthe way of surplus Germans around.
I think now the Nazis don't have to worry about Lebensraum or where to dump all the jews (Madagascar/Australia/New Zealand) anymore...
For anyone who doesn't know: Hitler originally planned to deport all Jews to Siberia or Madagascar (being in possession by France, which could've been easily beaten as seen in OTL 1940) or some similarily isolated place until during the 30s it became clear that such an idea wouldn't be possible by economic means, and during WW2 by military/diplomatic means which is why the concept of slaughtering them in concentration camps was developed in the late 30s. I'm not sure if Hitler ever considered this for real or if its just a popular myth but I could imahine him reconsidering the idea given the virgin earth and the missing international pressure.
Ok I was veeery late to this, just happened to see it browsing through. The answer, genuinely, is no, I had never heard of this scenario, nor the Anglo-American Nazi war timeline, when i started creating my timeline. Part of the way through someone alerted me to the latter, but the former I had not heard of until right now.
New scenario. This doesn't reflect my political opinions, I'm not saying this will happen( it's very unrealistic).
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Didn't the EU specifically say that they would not allow Scotland to join the EU if they became independent?
Only because Scotland is part of the UK, a EU member. Member states support each other in repressing secessionist movements. However, I presume in the ATL enough time has passed that UK has left the EU, meaning Scotland would be leaving the UK to rejoin the EU rather than leave it.
To be fair though the whole Madagascar plan would have been a watery 20th century version of the Trail of Tears (and perhaps worse than that) considering how low the Nazis thought of the Jews.
With England, you have all those British POW's now without a home. Could try and have them sewer loyalty to the Reich and in return to setter in the former UK.
Same with Japan of what to do with all American and Allies POW's.
Otherwise, not a bad scenario, though the pace of expansion seems a little quick for only 60 years and Québec's behavior is baffling (why make unnecessary enemies by committing an act of ethnic cleansing? why colonize Iceland and Greenland but not like, France? why have a secession war in the first place instead of just holding another referendum?).
I suppose it's possible that Quebec did hold another referendum, but Canada refused to recognize it considering the 'time of emergency'. Though I agree with you the settling of Greenland and Iceland over France or literally anywhere else is rather odd. I especially think the Quebecois would take more of New England.
Otherwise, not a bad scenario, though the pace of expansion seems a little quick for only 60 years and Québec's behavior is baffling (why make unnecessary enemies by committing an act of ethnic cleansing? why colonize Iceland and Greenland but not like, France? why have a secession war in the first place instead of just holding another referendum?).
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