Map Thread XVIII

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by FesteringSpore, Jul 28, 2018.

  1. Bob Hope rarely online

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    Is this post Napoleon as it has 1815 congress borders for Saxony?
    What happened to break up A-H?
     
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  2. Bob Hope rarely online

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    The Canada posts [specifically the French Canada ones] reminded me of this one I did some while ago.
    Thought I might re-post it.
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  3. Undeadmuffin Muffin want to liiiive !

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    -Thanks for the comment
    -The islands have been de-militarized but not yet occupied
    -It's because OTL the government formed by Pétain signed the peace with Hitler but ITTL the official government decided to continue fighting so there is nobody official to sign peace with/form a Vichy France. So technically France is still at war, and its territory is being occupied directly (and divided) by a military government and whatever quisling they can use to run things.
    -OTL, the creation of Vichy France was mostly accepted to prevent the French colonies to fall in the hand of british (by being under a neutral government) but since ITTL they are firmly in the hand of Franco-British Union, their is no incentive to go out of their way to prop up and maintain(abuse) a puppet regime. The Nazi propaganda machine is probably only convincing the far-rightist frenchmen who already supported them, everyone recognize the governemnt-in-exile.
    -The Post-war is going to be VERY interesting, as during the war most of the French and British people see the union as a war time measure, to unite their forces under a single command to better get their land back/beat the nazis. But both military and political body are going to fuse during the war (the military much more then the political but if the official government of both country will stay independant and separated, french and british politician will frequently unite to form diverse cabinet, mostly in colonial and post-war planning). When (or if) the Nazis get defeated, the Union will get seriously discussed between its advocate and opponent.
    -No it was a mistake, Corsica has been attached to Italy
    -Yes, I will try to show the diffeent stages of the war in further maps

    *I have modified the map to fix mistakes and better represent things
     
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    In this Cold War colonialism is still a thing, even in socialist France, and colonies are milked for all they're worth. So, if a country is independent and loyal to the superpower, it has a lot of autonomy.
    In general, Communism is more oppressive than Varangism, because people in communist countries have less property rights, in some cases they don't even have property at all. However, Varangist society is very hierarchical and largely anti-modern and anti-Enlightenment, with implementation of clerical racism in some extreme cases.
    Most Communist and Varangist countries are one-party states. Varangism has an interesting feature: while it advocates monarchy, an important postulate of the doctrine is the dictatorship of not one individual, but of a large group of ideological people who will fight together against the "contagion of so-called" social progress"". Thus, the power of the monarch is strongly limited.
    Of course. In Communist world, USSA was super oppressive at first, because communism strongly opposed American individualism and economic freedom. Hundreds of thousands of capitalists were robbed by the government and killed. However, in time Communism got much better, both in USSA and most European/Latin states. There are some very extreme communist regimes in 1960-s world, such as anti-catholic and dictatorial Mexico, where almost all of country's property de facto belongs to a dictatorial "Father of all the Mexicans" and East African Communist Federation, there government and fanatics have killed all white people.
    In Varangist world, Russian Empire is stably authoritarian. One-party regime, non-Christians and non-Russians are not allowed to participate in politics, Muslims are being culturally assimilated. No ethnic cleansing and full property rights though. Some Varangist regimes are very extreme, like Christian State of Copts, which has apartheid against Arabs and Muslims, and Costa-Rica, there hundreds of thousands North American immigrants are building racist, anti-Semite and anti-Communist utopia.
     
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  5. Red Arturoist Napoleon II. - Marxist-Arturoist-Trałkaist Donor

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    Well answered!

    So in this case, Varangism is indeed more oppressive in my opinion - little property rights is not as oppressive really as anti-modern and hierarchical and sometimes racist society.
     
  6. Mako-Tochan Marquise of Excess

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    It is post Napoleonic Germany, Habsburg Emperor has given Hungary a PU status to be authorized to rule Germany, since the big problem for Austrian as a candidate was that they were insisting to have all of the Habsburg Empire in the German Federation (Grossösterreisch Lösung)
     
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  7. Skallagrim Not the one from YouTube. Different other fellow.

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    I don't think you're fully grasping the potential implications of a government that can basically do anything it wants to your house and your wealth and... well, to your physical existence by simply depriving you of all you have. :confounded:
     
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  8. GauchoBadger Gang Weeder (in a society)

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    True, but it's not like a piece of paper with "national constitution" written over it has the immediate magical power to stop military coups.
    And, considering the massive size and equipment advantage of the US army right now (and the imminent coming of automated armies), it's kind of a miracle that nobody has yet marched on Washington and seized power. Yet.
    No government is safe from tyranny.
     
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  9. Jürgen Well-Known Member

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    Not really the structure of the American armed forces makes a coup extremely unlikely, the American armed forces are simply too big for a group of generals being able to sit down and agree to coup without it either being discovered or the group being to small to do it. Unless you have a tradition of coups, a coup also get much harder to get the army to take power. In Chile as example it took a lot of American nudging to make the army coup Allende. The American fetishism of the Constitution also work against coups.
     
  10. GauchoBadger Gang Weeder (in a society)

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    Except that "Constitution fetishism" does not immediately mean that the citizen (or country) abides by it, nor does it mean that he knows its actual contents. I've seen a lot of illiberal rhethoric coming from the mouths of people who at times claim they "defend the Constitution". Dissatisfaction with government can sometimes lead to some group deciding to seize power and serve the interests of a demagogue, with the justification sometimes being "restoring order".
    Not to mention that the US military estabilishment is already opressive outside of the US, especially in regards to target blacklists, drone strikes, coups, among a lot of other shady things the CIA has had a hand in. That the US military estabilishment won't, eventually, at least try to use against its own populace the methods it has already been using and testing against foreign populaces is wishful thinking, IMO.
     
  11. Bleh Bane of poinsettia mites

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    This is so damn cool. What is life like in the various components of Nouvelle France? Do they operate mostly as independent colonial nations or do they have a great deal of cooperation and political integration (i.e. if France suddenly disappeared, would they be one country or five?) How short a leash does France keep them on? Are they very progressive? What is life like within them for both the colonists and the colonized?
     
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    VIVE LA FRENCH CANADA
     
  13. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

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    @Bob Hope once again commits random acts of pure awesome.
     
  14. Etruscan-enthusiast35 Human until proven guilty

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    While making the above map, I tried to avoid putting any real thought about what the Kingdom of Canada's neighbors are like, and I succeeded. (mostly)
    With that in mind, I give you Orilla Gora!!
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    Poorly written backstory powers activate!
    Due to a lack of a manifest destiny driven U.S.A. and a British Canada to feel inclined to compete with them, it fell upon the Russians and Spanish to compete for the pacific-northwest. Compete they did, but when push comes to shove, both parties in question found it more profitable to let their traders and merchants go in and do business with each other. Unsurprisingly families from both sides moved into the territories, and with each subsequent generation got more and more used to their funny neighbors, to the point that when the Mexicans rose up and the Russians started giving their North American colonies independence, these linguistically different yet culturally (and in some cases religiously) mixed people sent a petition to the governments of their former colonizers and formally declared their intention of forming a bilingual nation in the pacific northwest, Spain and Russia both went "okay" and the Republic of Orilla Gora was declared.
    Dark colored territories are predominately Russian speaking and Orthodox
    Light colored territories are predominately Spanish speaking and Catholic
    Medium colored territories are mixed between the two, and are also home to the largest number of followers of a strange little church called the Restorationist Church, an eccentric blend of Catholicism and Russian Orthodoxy.

    The two background stripes of the flag come from the yellow and red colors of the spanish flag, and the blue St. Andrews cross comes from the Russian naval flag, in reference to the fact that many of the early Russian settlers in the area were former naval men.
     
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  15. TheDetailer Fan of Mythical Creatures and Alternate History

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    2014 Russian Mainland Replaced by Wilderness

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    2014

    The whole world was shocked when a day after the Russian Federation's annexation of Crimea on March 20th, all of Russia's mainland territory was replaced by uninhabited wilderness, with no humans or buildings in sight, with a noticeable high amount of unpollution. Moscow, Saratov, Volgograd, and Vladivostok were all gone.

    The non-Mainland territories were in shock and mourning, as their nation had to know been reduced to nothing more than islands and small territories. The population had been reduced to a few million, with the new capital being placed in Kallingrad. Plans for recolonization are made immediately, taking as much land as possible, though other nations are eyeing the virgin land.

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    2015

    The world has collectively been watching the Russian Crisis play out for quite some time, with some nations deciding to 'help' Russia by occupying its territory, while others took the opportunity they had lost.

    Unsurprisingly, Ukraine invaded and took back Crimea, it was a bloody war, but it was worth it in the end. The Ukrainians were ruthless in the purges and deportations that soon followed, as many Russian military leaders, generals, and even citizens were accused of illegal secession, treason, and anti-Ukrainian discrimination. Many were soon deported back to the rump Russian state, not before being made unwelcome by the now powerful Ukraine.

    Finland, Norway, the Baltics, and Belarus were all in the taking Russian territory trend that many nations were taking part in. Finland restored its pre-Winter War borders without much challenge, Norway took northern Murmansk, Belarus in taking its time, and the Baltics wanted that Pskov Oblast.

    China was taken a good chunk of south-eastern Siberia, with them settling in where Vladivostok used to be.

    The rump Russia has been taking as much land as possible, recolonization efforts are slow, but they are just trying to spread out before foreign nations take all the land. Small military bases are set up all over the place in order to show some sign of power.

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    2016

    The Russians are still trying their best to take back their land, with the population being stretched in order to reclaim their home.

    China continues to take territory in Siberia, with Mongolia temporarily joining into the game with them simply adding a border to Lake Bailkai. Meanwhile, in what Russia called an illegal secession, the population of the Kuril Islands and Salkim voted in favor to join the State of Japan, mostly because they were giving them lots of supplies and support, more than the rump government.

    Georgia and Ukraine had since touched borders, and the Finnish have finalized their borders, with small population settlers begin to repopulate the territory taken. Kazhakstan joined in the game a year late, but we're doing alot of expansion, with them taking kilometers of territory by the end of the month.

    But probably the biggest surprise to the Take-Russian-Territory game was the United States, who landed in and started to expand into Chukotka Autonomous Okrug. This pissed off Russia, but they couldn't do anything about it.

    Meanwhile, nations that were previously allied to Russia, such as Syria, Serbia, and Iran begin to experience the effects of the 'Russian Event' as it came to be known, most notably the number of losses to Assad's army due to the lack of Russian help. The only still loyal nation being Belarus.

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    2017

    A small Islamic terrorist group, known as the United Checyan States, started to settle in where Grozny used to be, founding a small number of bases and settlements. They declare Cehcyana to be theirs, and that all infidel invaders would be kicked out, with them blowing up a Ukranian government building on September 28th, in order to prove that. They wouldn't last a year.

    Nothing really changes in the taking Russian Territory, though China advances quite quickly, with them taking all of Primorsky Krai and Khabarovsk Krai.

    Meanwhile outside, anti-Assad forces continue to make gains, with the exception of ISIS, Russia's reactionary and anti-western influence on nations such as Iran and Serbia began to lessen and lessen over time, with Iran, in particular, have seen as a small but noticeable rise in liberal-led demonstrations. The former CSTO slowly begin to fall under the influence of either America or China.

    Most notable of the lack of Russian influence was on Korea, with the Kims realizing that if they didn't go cool down, they would eventually piss off and enter in a war with either China or America. Basically, the recent peace talks in OTL happens early.

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    2018

    In June 16th, 2018, over four years after the Russian Event, the rump Russia, and the countries that took part in the 'Take-Former-Russia' game attended a meeting in Berlin, in order to sort out the borders. They agreed to give all unclaimed territory back to Russia, while Kallingrad would be under temporarily Polish control while the members attended agreed to help rebuild Moscow. America, Norway, Georgia, Belarus, China, and Kazakhstan eventually agree to give back all of their territories to Russia after a number of years. With Japan, Finland, and Kazhakstan only agreeing on giving back some or most, and Ukraine refusing at all.

    An Independent Chicana was founded on a secular, centrist government. First thing first was Cehyana apologizing for the amount of violence caused by radical Islamists over the years, hoping to mend its relations to Russia, while staying separate.

    Meanwhile, most of Russia's former allies begin to align themselves more to China or America. Kurdistan gains its independence from Iraq and Syria, Iran and others have only seen a rise of liberalism in a now rebellious youth, and Syria saw the Assads flee to Saudi Arabia, while a democratic government took power in Damascus.

    NATO was also disbanded on April 8th, with the European Union expanding to Ukraine and the most of the Balkans. Liberalism and the Left are basically dominating the previously divided Europe. Korea's peace talks have also evolved into an agreement between the two nations, with the nations agreeing to disarm and gradually drop the DMZ by 2029.

    Russia has gone through probably the worst event in its history. Over 100 million of its people had disappeared, and many cities were no more. They were now just another group in its own homeland, with Chinese, Ukrainians, Americans, and Scandinavians being notable examples. They are currently trying to rebuild their major cities, and are trying to upgrade its government provisional status. While Russia's demographics are being changed forever, and their culture and people have taken a hit. Many Russians walk on with hope, knowing that, even if it takes 100 years, they will prevail.
     
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  16. Etruscan-enthusiast35 Human until proven guilty

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    The maps aren't showing up:frown:
     
  17. Iori ダークアビスの特使。

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    Please don't quote the entire massive post.
     
  18. TheDetailer Fan of Mythical Creatures and Alternate History

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    Is it showing now?
     
  19. koa_dan A faithful non-German servant of Emperor Wilhelm I

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    Yes it is, thanks for fixing.
     
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  20. Clandango Disestablishmentarianist

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    Dang blast it, once again the Danes steal Norway's more appealing color. By the way, why did the still semi-nomadic Mongols not take a single square inch of land? I feel the international community would support them, at least to snag the old Tuvan areas and those Mongol oblasts and republics within the Russian federation. Making them fully surrounded by China would just be poor planning. I also feel you should show Abdkazia, Nagarno-Karabkh (whatever the Armenian area is called), and South Ossetia. While some maps of this sort get away with it by virtue of not showing any territorial claims or disputes, these areas are directly related to this. If Crimea is shown, then why not area lost to Georgia or an area that has never been a part of an indeptent Azerbaijan, outside perhaps a couple months. Heck, I think the violence was breaking out at least a year before the USSR collapsed. The European Union will also be wanting to move into Russia to try exploiting the gas fields as soon as possible. This is less about some landrush, war for oil sort of trope and more so that Europeans don't freeze in their own bedrooms.
     
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