Map Thread XVIII

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Tbh this is kind of sad. Serious "pop culture as personal identity" vibes coming off of this. Nothing about the material conditions of your part of the world or social class being improved. Nothing about war or peace or justice for those wronged. Just a kind of juvenile "I wish I was cool in high school" kind of wish fulfillment.
I mean that's just generally what most personal AH TLs are about. All about someone's prejudices running wild.
 
I mean that's just generally what most personal AH TLs are about. All about someone's prejudices running wild.

I mean that's what I don't get. They referenced TL-15 after a centrist/conservative TL was posted that had lot about how countries are actually run and material conditions like the recession not happening. Sure there was some pop culture stuff and was clearly biased, but at least it was thinking big wish fulfillment.
 
I mean that's what I don't get. They referenced TL-15 after a centrist/conservative TL was posted that had lot about how countries are actually run and material conditions like the recession not happening. Sure there was some pop culture stuff and was clearly biased, but at least it was thinking big wish fulfillment.

People do what they want with the TL-15 prompt, and some people do go much further and try and create coherent "better worlds." I'd see it as a good thing that people on ah.com take sow's ears and build whole silk purse emporiums out of them.
 
To be fair, I haven't posted my TL 15 map here since some users would take offense to my stance on the nonsensical culture war and other social-political issues.

I get what you mean. Admittedly, posting my TL-15 here risked attracting that unintended offense from some due to my personal views on socio-political issues and my stance on the "culture war."

As a Brazilian, i'll just have to ask... how the hell is a restoration of the Brazilian monarchy supposed to bring the country back from poverty and underdevelopment? None of Brazil's underlying issues of societal inequality or stratification (which already happen here, IOTL) would be solved by just appointing some random dude as king. Not to mention that monarchist sentiment in Brazil, while surely real, is mostly treated as a joke here. There's no credible point in restoring the dynasty of Pedro II when the damage has already been done and dragged out for 130 years. One of the current claimants to the throne is a representative in Congress, and has recently infamously stated that "slavery is a natural part of humanity", and credited the successes of the abolitionist movement to "christian mentality".

Granted, it's three decades. And the rationale here's that the roundtable corruption and scandals that plague Brazil in the 1990s are exaggerated even further, which make the monarchy seen as either the best solution for some or for others the "least bad."

That being said, the order and stability brought about ITTL (along with the whole "more aggressive Venezuela shtick") help provide enough impetuous to actually address the poverty and social issues. Enough time's also passed for even more mild reforms to have an impact. There's no Bolsonaro in power, for instance, nor there any real economic blunders as in OTL.

I mean that's what I don't get. They referenced TL-15 after a centrist/conservative TL was posted that had lot about how countries are actually run and material conditions like the recession not happening. Sure there was some pop culture stuff and was clearly biased, but at least it was thinking big wish fulfillment.

Bruce already said it, but people really take the basic TL-15 premise and expound upon it. In addition, there's nothing really wrong about wanting to make a map showing what a coherent "better world" is like so long as it's executed well.
 
Bruce already said it, but people really take the basic TL-15 premise and expound upon it. In addition, there's nothing really wrong about wanting to make a map showing what a coherent "better world" is like so long as it's executed well.
There's an "ideal world" thread already. And your scenario isn't much more fleshed out than "people who aren't me stop fighting over things I'm not a part of + identity politics are universally condemned". You don't leave a lot of room for nuance within your map. I apologize if I sounded harsh but your map has dramatically few changes to OTL, or anything to distinguish it from a screed against political correctness. That's frankly what it reads as, at least to my eyes.
 
Granted, it's three decades. And the rationale here's that the roundtable corruption and scandals that plague Brazil in the 1990s are exaggerated even further, which make the monarchy seen as either the best solution for some or for others the "least bad."

That being said, the order and stability brought about ITTL (along with the whole "more aggressive Venezuela shtick") help provide enough impetuous to actually address the poverty and social issues. Enough time's also passed for even more mild reforms to have an impact. There's no Bolsonaro in power, for instance, nor there any real economic blunders as in OTL.
I still don't see logic in it, to be honest. Electing a monarchy into power doesn't immediately bring more stability to a country as socially dysfunctional as Brazil, especially after its political fabric has been further ruptured by more corruption scandals (the new monarchy might also just dive into the cesspit). If anything, that'd just accelerate the rise of Lula and populist socialists. Not to mention that the problems that are popping up into the public eye under Jair Bolsonaro predate his presidency, and spring from a corrupt political structure.
I'm not excessively offended, TL-15's will always be biased. I just think it's questionable to claim that monarchies inherently bring social stability. I don't disagree that Brazilians could decide to elect to restore the monarchy if the political pressure is tense enough to make it seem like the only viable choice, but, as always, Brazil has a seemingly almost natural rule about politics getting worse and worse.
 
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Long time lurker here, before this thread ends, I just want to let all you guys know that I love you all and I love your craft and creativity.
 
"Onwards to thread XIX, I say! Fill the merry remnants of this fair thread with a few parting masterpieces of creativity and imagination!"
-Alvin, July 2019
 
are the rest of the posts in this thread going to be people saying goodbye to the thread?

(or people complaining about how the rest of the thread is going to be made up of goodbyes)
I wanted to create a map for the grand goodbye of Ole Eighteen, but then a crippling case of self doubt bit my ass and now I can't work up the nerve to finish a map in, like, the day it'll take to reach 500
 
I wanted to create a map for the grand goodbye of Ole Eighteen, but then a crippling case of self doubt bit my ass and now I can't work up the nerve to finish a map in, like, the day it'll take to reach 500
by my calculation we might hit it in two days instead.

ALSO, if we don't post any maps until 500 we have a chance of getting to exactly 10k posts.
 
The three image limit was mentioned a page or so ago, citing this (https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/forum-rules-and-guidelines.173163/). Its just that looking at what it says, it says...
Ian the Admin said:
Don't post too many images that are not related to alternate history. Specifically, in the off-topic forums such as Chat and Non-Political Chat, post at most three images per thread per day. It doesn't matter whether the images are attachments or just links. (For alternate history images, be reasonable. Don't post more images than text, except in threads dedicated to images such as maps or flags
(emphasis added)

The Maps and graphics forum isn't listed under off-topic forums, and this is specifically a Map Thread, so does the three images limit apply to this (and also, what about stuff like the political map and wikibox threads, which are dedicated to images but in off-topic?). Just reading that linked set of rules, it sounds like the three image limit shouldn't apply in threads like this.

I don't mean to rules-lawyer or anything, maybe there's another set of rules, or posting more images just falls under the idea of 'spam', or its just something the mods insist on or whatever, it isn't ultimately a huge deal or anything, its just that I know on a couple occasions I wanted to make a post with more than three images in an image-dedicated thread and the rules don't seem to clearly state that it isn't allowed (if anything, a plain reading seems to suggest otherwise).

Its not a huge deal or anything but maybe at least that page with the rules should be edited to be brought in line with the apparent norm of a 3 image limit even in image-dedicated threads? Or something?
 
The three image limit was mentioned a page or so ago, citing this (https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/forum-rules-and-guidelines.173163/). Its just that looking at what it says, it says...

(emphasis added)

The Maps and graphics forum isn't listed under off-topic forums, and this is specifically a Map Thread, so does the three images limit apply to this (and also, what about stuff like the political map and wikibox threads, which are dedicated to images but in off-topic?). Just reading that linked set of rules, it sounds like the three image limit shouldn't apply in threads like this.

I don't mean to rules-lawyer or anything, maybe there's another set of rules, or posting more images just falls under the idea of 'spam', or its just something the mods insist on or whatever, it isn't ultimately a huge deal or anything, its just that I know on a couple occasions I wanted to make a post with more than three images in an image-dedicated thread and the rules don't seem to clearly state that it isn't allowed (if anything, a plain reading seems to suggest otherwise).

Its not a huge deal or anything but maybe at least that page with the rules should be edited to be brought in line with the apparent norm of a 3 image limit even in image-dedicated threads? Or something?
It's preferred if people don't post more than 3 images per day (especially low-effort images that take only like 10 minutes to make), but it isn't inflexible, there can be exceptions, but it's from basis to basis.

If I understand correctly, that is.
 
The three image limit was mentioned a page or so ago, citing this (https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/forum-rules-and-guidelines.173163/). Its just that looking at what it says, it says...

(emphasis added)

The Maps and graphics forum isn't listed under off-topic forums, and this is specifically a Map Thread, so does the three images limit apply to this (and also, what about stuff like the political map and wikibox threads, which are dedicated to images but in off-topic?). Just reading that linked set of rules, it sounds like the three image limit shouldn't apply in threads like this.

I don't mean to rules-lawyer or anything, maybe there's another set of rules, or posting more images just falls under the idea of 'spam', or its just something the mods insist on or whatever, it isn't ultimately a huge deal or anything, its just that I know on a couple occasions I wanted to make a post with more than three images in an image-dedicated thread and the rules don't seem to clearly state that it isn't allowed (if anything, a plain reading seems to suggest otherwise).

Its not a huge deal or anything but maybe at least that page with the rules should be edited to be brought in line with the apparent norm of a 3 image limit even in image-dedicated threads? Or something?
I think the 'three images a day' limit is enforced not in the letter of the law here, but the spirit. That rule exists to stop people from spamming the thread with many, many maps a day. Usually, those maps are rushed, slapped together, and are of... subpar quality. This rule, then, basically necessitates taking your time on projects and making them the best they can be. So even if the rules technically state that you can post however many maps you want a day in the Map Thread, I think it's for the best that, in practice, that is not the case.
 
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