Map Thread XVIII
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The "semi-WIP" of a Man in High Castle/1984 crossover map, semi-WIP in the sense that while I do intend to add more to this and don't consider it the final product, it is perfectly capable of standing on its own without further work and I'm willing to let it be considered the final product if I, for whatever reason, never end up finishing this.
Anyway, the brown country is [the] Eurafrica[n Reich], the yellow country is [the Co-Prosperity of] Panasia and the blue country is t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶n̶t̶r̶y̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶m̶e̶r̶l̶y̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶n̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶O̶c̶e̶a̶n̶i̶a̶ Atlantica, and all are equally dystopian in a more Nazi-esque than Stalinistic fashion.
Borders are largely a mix between rvombally's Man in High Castle and their Rise of the Tri-State World Order maps, with a sprinkling of GDIS Pathe's TNO map.
For anybody who remembers - or cares about - this, I have finished. I was going to 'munroify' the map more and have all those little notes and stuff, but I couldn't think of anything to say. So the finished product is as follows:
He's Hispanic, actually, but he is black-and-white. That's one of the side effects of his powers- he's completely grayscale, and anything he makes physical contact with will also turn grayscale until contact is broken.
Watch Nazi Germany become one big desert. We'll be right back after these eon-long messages! *plays outro*For anybody who remembers - or cares about - this, I have finished. I was going to 'munroify' the map more and have all those little notes and stuff, but I couldn't think of anything to say. So the finished product is as follows:
STATE OF JUDEA
POD: The King of France Henry IV doesn't order the settlement of Quebec, but instead on the Atlantic sea coast, where OTL Manhattan island is.
The Dutch settle what in OTL became Quebec, naming it New Orange, and the river Orange, but because the Dutch people didn't immigrate much, the colony would be settled by other ethnic groups. Due to the harsh weather of New Orange those that came where mostly as fur trappers and traders and only around 4000 people settle the land between it's founding in 1624-1700, over 3000 of the settlers stayed permanently. Nearly all who stayed in New Amsterdam were Jewish. Allowed by their colonial governors to live there day to day life as they saw fit as long as they paid their taxes which was mostly paid in produce such as grains, fruits and vegetables, most settlements grew rapidly mostly due to abundant land, (when natives were pushed out) also their high birth rate of nearly 12 children per woman combined with little to no outbreak of disease due to not living in squalid quarters their population grew to nearly 70000 by the end of the 17th century.
Over time as British expanded from their bases on the gulf of Mexico and South Atlantic coast, New France would seize to exist as it was lost in the 7 years war in 1764. The war would wreck the Dutch economy which helped loosen their grip on New Orange, by this time after years of fighting Natives and French had made the Organists a very cohesive and militaristic group. By the time France was removed from the continent, the Jewish population sat at around 630000. As Stadtholders started to prioritise their east indies holdings, the Orangist started to take control of the often forgotten Dutch colony. Between 1770, when the first native governors Job Cohen was appointed to 1815 when the Napoleonic France was defeated in Europe, the colony had managed to attract over 200000 Jews to immigrate. As the colonies population ballooned to 1.3 million people
Fearing that the more populous British colony may encroach on their land Governor Cohen built a serious of Forts on the Ohio and Missouri river to protect the colonies southern flank. These fears came true when after Napoleonic France took over the Netherlands, the British invaded, but then governor Uri Rosenthal defeated them at the Battle of Baton Rouge (OTL Albany, New York) and the British signed the agreement of neutrality after war, in which New Orange would refuse to acknowledge the French Regime as illegitimate and refuse to follow their orders in return for Britain not attacking.
After the war, the Netherlands decided to sell off New Orange to Britain, in return for 10 million pounds. While there was huge outrage by the Orangist, Rosenthal and his administration were able to negotiate a deal with the British, in which New Orange become part of the British empire, but would be able to govern itself independent from the dictates of Parliament in return, all foreign policy would be in the hands of London, along with a hard new border agreement. With the British accepting, Rosenthal, using dutch abandonment as a excuse started the process of Judeofication, in which everything dutch was renamed. No longer was the nation New Orange and it's people Orangist, but Judea and Judeans. Ladino and Hebrew became joint official languages replacing Dutch.
No longer a backwater Colony, but a nation in it's own right, and a Jewish one at that, Post Napoleonic war Judea would become a magnet, as the worlds Jewry flocked to it. Between 1815-1870 over 4.5 million Jews moved from Europe to Judea and Another 500000 moved from elsewhere in the world. By End of the 19th Century Judea stretch from the Atlantic to the Pacific and had a Population of 32 million inhabitants nearly 100% Jewish, by the start of the 20th century the world outside of Judea was devoid of Jews.
Despite 2 world wars, and the fall of the British empire, Judea as of 2019 is one of the most powerful, one of the wealthiest and one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world.
Country Stats;
Population: 191 million - 4th, behind China, India and Russia, ahead New England and Brazil
GDP: 8.7 trillion pounds - 2nd Behind China, Ahead New England, Japan and Britain and Germany
GDP Per capita: £45000 - 5th behind, Norway, Qatar, Singapore and Luxembourg, Ahead Monaco and Switzerland
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POD: The King of France Henry IV doesn't order the settlement of Quebec, but instead on the Atlantic sea coast, where OTL Manhattan island is.
The Dutch settle what in OTL became Quebec, naming it New Orange, and the river Orange, but because the Dutch people didn't immigrate much, the colony would be settled by other ethnic groups. Due to the harsh weather of New Orange those that came where mostly as fur trappers and traders and only around 4000 people settle the land between it's founding in 1624-1700, over 3000 of the settlers stayed permanently. Nearly all who stayed in New Amsterdam were Jewish. Allowed by their colonial governors to live there day to day life as they saw fit as long as they paid their taxes which was mostly paid in produce such as grains, fruits and vegetables, most settlements grew rapidly mostly due to abundant land, (when natives were pushed out) also their high birth rate of nearly 12 children per woman combined with little to no outbreak of disease due to not living in squalid quarters their population grew to nearly 70000 by the end of the 17th century.
Over time as British expanded from their bases on the gulf of Mexico and South Atlantic coast, New France would seize to exist as it was lost in the 7 years war in 1764. The war would wreck the Dutch economy which helped loosen their grip on New Orange, by this time after years of fighting Natives and French had made the Organists a very cohesive and militaristic group. By the time France was removed from the continent, the Jewish population sat at around 630000. As Stadtholders started to prioritise their east indies holdings, the Orangist started to take control of the often forgotten Dutch colony. Between 1770, when the first native governors Job Cohen was appointed to 1815 when the Napoleonic France was defeated in Europe, the colony had managed to attract over 200000 Jews to immigrate. As the colonies population ballooned to 1.3 million people
Fearing that the more populous British colony may encroach on their land Governor Cohen built a serious of Forts on the Ohio and Missouri river to protect the colonies southern flank. These fears came true when after Napoleonic France took over the Netherlands, the British invaded, but then governor Uri Rosenthal defeated them at the Battle of Baton Rouge (OTL Albany, New York) and the British signed the agreement of neutrality after war, in which New Orange would refuse to acknowledge the French Regime as illegitimate and refuse to follow their orders in return for Britain not attacking.
After the war, the Netherlands decided to sell off New Orange to Britain, in return for 10 million pounds. While there was huge outrage by the Orangist, Rosenthal and his administration were able to negotiate a deal with the British, in which New Orange become part of the British empire, but would be able to govern itself independent from the dictates of Parliament in return, all foreign policy would be in the hands of London, along with a hard new border agreement. With the British accepting, Rosenthal, using dutch abandonment as a excuse started the process of Judeofication, in which everything dutch was renamed. No longer was the nation New Orange and it's people Orangist, but Judea and Judeans. Ladino and Hebrew became joint official languages replacing Dutch.
No longer a backwater Colony, but a nation in it's own right, and a Jewish one at that, Post Napoleonic war Judea would become a magnet, as the worlds Jewry flocked to it. Between 1815-1870 over 4.5 million Jews moved from Europe to Judea and Another 500000 moved from elsewhere in the world. By End of the 19th Century Judea stretch from the Atlantic to the Pacific and had a Population of 32 million inhabitants nearly 100% Jewish, by the start of the 20th century the world outside of Judea was devoid of Jews.
Despite 2 world wars, and the fall of the British empire, Judea as of 2019 is one of the most powerful, one of the wealthiest and one of the most technologically advanced nations in the world.
Country Stats;
Population: 191 million - 4th, behind China, India and Russia, ahead New England and Brazil
GDP: 8.7 trillion pounds - 2nd Behind China, Ahead New England, Japan and Britain and Germany
GDP Per capita: £45000 - 5th behind, Norway, Qatar, Singapore and Luxembourg, Ahead Monaco and Switzerland
MAP:
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I like it! You should make Ladino one of the official langauges though- Sephardim were the predominant Jewish community in the Netherlands until the 19th century.
Done, I keep forgetting Sephardim and Ashkenazim had different languages.
Hi! I'm AP246/Proximexo, back again with another map for Thousand Week Reich, this time in the Republic of China. Originally planned to make this an election map (see bottom right), but turned it into a normal map instead. Might still make the election map at some point.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/thousand-week-reich-a-realistic-nazi-victory-scenario.444582 - main thread
https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/thousand-week-reich-a-realistic-nazi-victory-scenario.444582 - main thread
Definitely one of the most interesting concepts I've seen as of late. So, what's the percentage of Jews in Judea?
around 171 mil out of 191 mil = 90% jewish. Most non jews in the country around 15 million are Natives who practice their religion and recent migrants to nation make up the rest.
Sometime you gotta just wank something and then write a background story for it.
Nice write up and nice map, i love the colours of the flag.
Although... if you really want to do the most insane israel-wank....
IMO the best way is to have a few thousand portuguese jews get sent to the azores in 1496, at this point however somehow make it so the population doesn't get accepted and they are forced to go even further west, to the maritimes.
If they survive and learn from the first few winters, they will thrive unchallenged for a century, considering the climate and land of NE/Maritimes is favourable for long lifespan (natives had a 40 yo lifespan before the europeans went) and good survival of children, coupled with poor soil and the need for labor to maintain it, famillies will quickly get very large.
IRL a lot of early new englanders emigrated back to england (and despite this the population boomed IRL post puritan migration) but if there you can give some an incentive to stay, maybe because few european country would accept jews back, then the population would grow VERY quickly, near exponentially, and they will be unchallenged near the coast, so that by 1600 there will be a couple hundred thousands jews in the american north-east, many more than england or france can compete with. Nevertheless they will put colonies and will likely leave the sephardim, who live on relatively shitty land, alone. But population pressure will force them to cross the appalachian.
At this point there is few hopes for the english or french to become a majority in north america, with a nearly 150 years advantage at populating the heartland, the Sephardim will very quickly grow, and reach population of several millions by the early 18th century. At some point they will have to unify to beat british or spanish attempts at getting a hold on the interior but if they can be unified their large population would make them impossible to invade.
Today they could number in the 300-500 millions, virtually all of them jewish.
Early colonial america is fun because if any population can sucesfully establish itself in the first half of the 16th century (be them french under cartier, portuguese under Fagundes, or even basque or icelandic or danish), natural population growth alone would make them a large part of the demographic makeup of north america and would make them unavoidable for later colonization)
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i'm gonna be honest
the geography seems rather impractical for the axis, especially in the mediterranean
Thanks. How many of the world's Jews live in Judea? Also, how are non-Jews treated in Judea?
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