Thanks. I think the design's kind of stale, plus it has quite a few issues with the clarity of the names on the map, but it's completed, it's passed muster, and it's my own.
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Thanks. I think the design's kind of stale, plus it has quite a few issues with the clarity of the names on the map, but it's completed, it's passed muster, and it's my own.
I imagine that green might still be considered a holy place akin to the OTL Holy Land. "The source of symmetry" or something. Blue (Inverse Crimea) would likely have importance akin to OTL Cairo and be a huge hub for trading. I haven't modeled the alt-Nile, so I don't know where it would come out, but its mouth would have an important city, too. Carthage Island (red) would be very important; maybe the capital of the western part of the Mediterretidem. Having two Italys is difficult to predict. The climate of the southern one might be very different from the northern one. It's going to be warmer, at least, so certain activities won't be possible that are in the north. And I predict that the southern yellow will become a city of importance with a magnitude greater than even northern yellow. This is really interesting to think about! The Inverse Black Sea is going to have more important cities on it (perhaps a big one on the far eastern point) than the northern. Maybe the Nile drains into the Inverse Aegean, in which case that's where the big city will be.
Thank you! And sadly, I do not, but hopefully someone else here does.
Yes and no. It's partly a misdirection and also helps to serve a commentary about how our own world is full of fantasy and wonder, and that all you need is a little creativity and out of the box thinking. Speaking of... I made a "meme map" of my world that gives overgeneralized insights into the various regions.
This is great. I really want to learn more about this world. Horse Romans, Isolated China/Japan, Italian Renaissance Aztecs and Water Turks especially interest me. Also are "crazy inuits" like Tsalal (sic.) (The green Antarctica crazy people)? And how are white people on two different continents? And are Germanic and Greek cultures in central continent white?
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Getting back to dirty, green as a matriarchy and red a phallocracy??! And the Nile could empty into the southern Black Seal ala the Danube.?
yes, it does. It's just that making it a northern viking-like empire made more sense
Thank you! The crazy Inuit are just Inuit crazy enough to spend time so far north. And think about how this would be a round earth, and how close "medieval Canada" and "bushido vikings" are to each other. The Greeks and med goths would be pretty swarthy at this latitude, as well as some of their neighbours. There are some white people here, but they're more of a rarity.
Yes and no. It's partly a misdirection and also helps to serve a commentary about how our own world is full of fantasy and wonder, and that all you need is a little creativity and out of the box thinking. Speaking of... I made a "meme map" of my world that gives overgeneralized insights into the various regions.
This is super cool!
How much contact do civilisations have with each other? What are the major nations, or will that come in a followup map?
Also, I assume bad things will happen if the continent in the bottom-right corner discovers everyone else. Really bad. Like, Krikketmen bad.
The area occupied by the Sahara IOTL are the Horse Latitudes; this is a climate region where prevailing winds move moisture away from the area. The vast majority of the world's non-polar deserts are located on these latitudes. This is why, for example, the coasts of the Red Sea and the Persian Gulf (and the Gulf of Sidra in Libya) are all completely desert despite being right next to ocean. Altering the coastline a bit won't do much to change that. It will, in all likelihood, be some type of desert, although it wouldn't be sandy because sand is generated from the drying of a sea. All in all, it would probably be more similar to the Gulf of California, but with less rain because Africa would block moisture from the monsoon. Anything south of South Sicily is going to be unsuitable for agriculture.
The Nile will probably empty into the Danube, making it a very important river valley. The direct sea route to India will help trade significantly; while a route from the Red Sea wasn't established until the Roman era IOTL, it could easily be active in the bronze age here. Even so, the north would still be the most fertile region nearby, which means Egypt would still orient itself north rather than east. It would periodically invade Sub-Marmara and the Sub-Dardanelles to secure its strait for trade. However, the agriculture-oriented Nile inhabitants and the trade-oriented Sub-Thrace inhabitants would likely be at odds, maybe as spin-off states from a preceding power.
Sub-Crimea, midway between Sinai and Medina, would still be unsuitable for agriculture, but it would certainly be a flourishing trade center connecting the Mediterranean to the Indian culture spheres. On the other hand, that would make it extremely vulnerable to disruptions on either side of the sea. For example, the Bronze Age collapse. Trade along that route would still be subject to interference by whichever state controls the Gulf of Aden and the associated strait, along with any civilizations making its home in the large region between Yemen and Sub-Crimea.
With Cyprus gone, it might be difficult for bronze age civilizations to acquire copper. That could have drastic and far-reaching effects that I can't even guess at.
The addition of a viable sea-route to India might result in a weakening of the land route through the Silk Road, which might have effects all their own.
All in all, though, I see more similarities than differences. Europe is still more fertile on the whole than North Africa, and will eventually develop more quickly; the Middle East will still be the center of both trade and conflict due to its position as a confluence between civilizations, and India as the most fertile region on earth will create its own unique civilization. It might be, though, that India would develop more quickly than Europe instead of the other way around.
Here's my first truly alternate scenario. I hope the pixelart isn't bad.
The Battle of Antietam proved to be a success for the Army of Northern Virginia… But the Civil War still proved to be a long, arduous conflict which ended somewhat unsatisfactorily for the young Confederacy. In the peace negotiations the South lost sizable parts of Virginia and Tennessee, as well as the Arizona territory and a tiny tract of land in Arkansas. They also had to agree to the creation of a neutral New Orleans, and they had to end their claims to the states of Missouri, Kentucky, and Maryland. While some hardliners were disappointed with the territorial losses, the pragmatic majority was satisfied with the result: the protection of the Southern Way of Life was ensured during that crucial peace conference in the spring of 1865!
But the Confederacy was weak. After winning its independence, a handful of European nations came to recognize the South as a sovereign nation: the Austrians, the French, the Belgians, and the Spanish were among the first to do so. Countries which were vocal in their support of the Union during the war, like Prussia (later North Germany), Russia, and Italy, were much more hesitant. In the western hemisphere the Brazilians, who also still practiced slavery, were among the first to establish serious diplomatic relations with Richmond. Mexico, badly wounded during its own civil war between pro-European monarchists and the victorious republicans, was cautious of its new neighbor.
Trade between the Confederacy and the outside world was limited. Their important agricultural goods were boycotted by many anti-slavery forces in Europe and the United States. While in the latter some business interests were supportive of the continuation of slavery in the South, the course of the war soured their opinion on Southern cotton. By 1875, ten years after the end of the War between the States, the majority of cotton used up by US factories came from Egypt or Mexico. An economic collapse was imminent.
It came in 1882. The Confederate States dollar had spent two years in slow decline and even countries previously supportive of the Confederacy imported fewer of their goods. On August 20th 1882 the Confederate Congress reluctantly signed the Economic Recovery Bill, which replaced the old dollar with a new currency, the Confederate Shilling, and which started a phase-out of slavery over the next two years. By Christmas 1884 there were no legal slaves left in the South.
But the societal rift caused by these years of transition was too severe for the Confederacy. In 1891 the state legislature of Texas voted for secession, followed by a similar announcement from the Oklahoma Territory and its Native leadership. Furthermore since the 1888 election a new party had representatives all over the South, the Populist Party, which demanded massive structural reforms in order to better protect Southern industry and small-scale farmers. In 1892, with Texan secession looming, the Populists swept over Congress, becoming the dominant political force, dethroning the thus-far dominant Democrats, and demoting the Whigs to third place. While the Democrats still controlled the presidency for two more years, President Donelson Caffery had become a lame duck. In 1894 he would be replaced by Benjamin “Pitchfork” Tillman, a South Carolina Democrat who had switched over to the Populists and became their “unity candidate”.
The Populist government under Tillman recognized the independence of Texas and Oklahoma, albeit reluctantly, in order to prevent the growing unrest there to escalate into war. Furthermore his government, in conjunction with the Populist-dominated congress, enacted sweeping constitutional reforms. They introduced a two-term limit for the president, thus doubling his potential time in office, implemented “modern” segregation laws, and allowed for the direct election of senators to congress. Furthermore he strengthened the central government, and made secession more difficult in the future, trying to prevent “the next Texas”.
The Tillman presidency shaped the modern South more than the Civil War did. The 1908 presidential election became a de facto popular referendum when Woodrow Wilson, the Populist candidate, campaigned on renaming the Confederate States of America to the Confederate States of Dixie, which was implemented after his successful election against Democratic candidate Alfred Hampton. Tilmann’s segregation laws laid the foundation for the creation of “Negro Self-Government Districts” in 1915, where certain Black-majority areas became quasi-states in an effort to limit Black presence in White society. These districts were a significant policy proposal by Wilson during his re-election campaign.
In 1916 Dixie saw the world about to ignite: the Austro-Hungarian Minister-President von Feuchtenegg was assassinated by an Italian nationalist in Venice on February 24th. The assassin’s ties to groups linked with the Italian government ensured diplomatic tensions, and when France announced that they would support their ally Vienna that they’d support any Austrian investigations into the matter, even the distant Wilson administration in Richmond couldn’t help but notice...
But the Confederacy was weak. After winning its independence, a handful of European nations came to recognize the South as a sovereign nation: the Austrians, the French, the Belgians, and the Spanish were among the first to do so. Countries which were vocal in their support of the Union during the war, like Prussia (later North Germany), Russia, and Italy, were much more hesitant. In the western hemisphere the Brazilians, who also still practiced slavery, were among the first to establish serious diplomatic relations with Richmond. Mexico, badly wounded during its own civil war between pro-European monarchists and the victorious republicans, was cautious of its new neighbor.
Trade between the Confederacy and the outside world was limited. Their important agricultural goods were boycotted by many anti-slavery forces in Europe and the United States. While in the latter some business interests were supportive of the continuation of slavery in the South, the course of the war soured their opinion on Southern cotton. By 1875, ten years after the end of the War between the States, the majority of cotton used up by US factories came from Egypt or Mexico. An economic collapse was imminent.
It came in 1882. The Confederate States dollar had spent two years in slow decline and even countries previously supportive of the Confederacy imported fewer of their goods. On August 20th 1882 the Confederate Congress reluctantly signed the Economic Recovery Bill, which replaced the old dollar with a new currency, the Confederate Shilling, and which started a phase-out of slavery over the next two years. By Christmas 1884 there were no legal slaves left in the South.
But the societal rift caused by these years of transition was too severe for the Confederacy. In 1891 the state legislature of Texas voted for secession, followed by a similar announcement from the Oklahoma Territory and its Native leadership. Furthermore since the 1888 election a new party had representatives all over the South, the Populist Party, which demanded massive structural reforms in order to better protect Southern industry and small-scale farmers. In 1892, with Texan secession looming, the Populists swept over Congress, becoming the dominant political force, dethroning the thus-far dominant Democrats, and demoting the Whigs to third place. While the Democrats still controlled the presidency for two more years, President Donelson Caffery had become a lame duck. In 1894 he would be replaced by Benjamin “Pitchfork” Tillman, a South Carolina Democrat who had switched over to the Populists and became their “unity candidate”.
The Populist government under Tillman recognized the independence of Texas and Oklahoma, albeit reluctantly, in order to prevent the growing unrest there to escalate into war. Furthermore his government, in conjunction with the Populist-dominated congress, enacted sweeping constitutional reforms. They introduced a two-term limit for the president, thus doubling his potential time in office, implemented “modern” segregation laws, and allowed for the direct election of senators to congress. Furthermore he strengthened the central government, and made secession more difficult in the future, trying to prevent “the next Texas”.
The Tillman presidency shaped the modern South more than the Civil War did. The 1908 presidential election became a de facto popular referendum when Woodrow Wilson, the Populist candidate, campaigned on renaming the Confederate States of America to the Confederate States of Dixie, which was implemented after his successful election against Democratic candidate Alfred Hampton. Tilmann’s segregation laws laid the foundation for the creation of “Negro Self-Government Districts” in 1915, where certain Black-majority areas became quasi-states in an effort to limit Black presence in White society. These districts were a significant policy proposal by Wilson during his re-election campaign.
In 1916 Dixie saw the world about to ignite: the Austro-Hungarian Minister-President von Feuchtenegg was assassinated by an Italian nationalist in Venice on February 24th. The assassin’s ties to groups linked with the Italian government ensured diplomatic tensions, and when France announced that they would support their ally Vienna that they’d support any Austrian investigations into the matter, even the distant Wilson administration in Richmond couldn’t help but notice...
By Crom!
Maybe the Nile flows into Reverse Danube and then into Reverse Black sea, leaden to the Pharaos of Reverse Constantinople?
poor me. poor, poor me.
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edit 1: I guess there's not gonna be a t series' empire for a while. I've lost motivation...
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Ok, not wanting to make any unwanted joke or offend anyone (and if anyone says this might be ofensive or I sound like a shithead saying it, I'm deleting this post in the spot) but I'm the only one that saw the complex of lakes surrounded by Green and saw a image strangely resembling the feminine reproductive system (or maybe I'm hallucinating after staying awake for more than a day straight)?
I feel that northern Virginia would be a part of West Virginia here. Might just be they call the whole place North Virginia. Or you have the State of Virginia in the north, the Commonwealth in the south. Love Austria-Hungary here (besides the usual basemape problem in having an East Tyrol)' though I wonder if the Banat of Temeswer would have been cut up a bit differently. Though I suppose given the amount of Romanians, Serbs, Croats, and Germans down there the Magyars would have found a way to not anger too many factions or groups. Odd Montenegro would be in the Russian camp given how isolated they are. Guessing more out for fear of Serbia than anything else? And does Poland being shown here means they kept autonomy they lost IOTL? Who is in Puerto Rico? I can't zoom in close enough, but it almost looks like Confederate purple between Spanish brass. Though looking at the color of Luzon, is it just a shade of brown showing high levels of autonomy? And how realistic is the Congo here? Seems the French wouldn't be able to use the Congo River's mouth, but there is a waterfall their anyways and they did fine enough with the French Congo. Still, seems like the British and French IOTL did a lot of things based off river basins in Africa and North America. Do the Senussi control Fezzan? Any story behind the Italians in the East Indies?
And this is for everyone. Lookin at the map above reminded me of the Dominican Republic and how Spain had it for a while during the the mid 1800's, how the Confederates would want new lands, how the Dominican president tried to join the US... anyone have maps or timelines of the Dominicans Republic joining the Confederacy? Though I suppose their would be issues, given how the Dominicans revolted after the Spanish were invited back in partially due to thinking the Peninsulares were going to try reestablishing slavery. That, and how almost everyone on the island might be considered 'High Yellow' at best by the One-Drop Rule.
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