That's exactly what I was thinking! I will post the rest of the series tommorow.
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It's obviously your world, so it's your call, but I think that a surviving sizeable Mari pagan religion in Otonia would be interesting, potentially in a similar manner to how the Lithuanian pagans survived surrounded by Christendom for so long. It would also be interesting to see a surviving northern European pagan religion alongside Christianity, Zoroastrianism, and Neoplatonism in the same country. I largely agree with you on Norse paganism though.
I'm actually curious about what happened ITTL to make Zoroastrianism, Neoplatonism, and Manichaeism so prominent within the USF. Are these common religions in the wider world, or are they mostly remnants from the rest of the world who found refuge in the USF? And how are Nestorian/Catholic relations? Are they mostly positive, like Catholic/Protestant relations in the U.S., or are they more hostile, like Catholic/Protestant relations in Ireland? Also, since we were discussing paganism, is folk Christianity (Christianity with more prominent pagan influences) prominent in any parts of the country?
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The follow up and very very long write up:
In 1922, upon the withdrawal of the last US forces in occupied Central America, the New York Times remarked the formation of the Central American Common Market would herald an unprecedented era of growth, brotherhood, and progress. 20 years later and the magazine would bitterly lament on where things all went wrong. In 1942, the American Civil War was in the third year, the tide beginning to turn against the Naval Junta as the increasing exhaustion from fighting Mexico, the Bolsheviks in Chicago, Zapatista bands (the name taken after one of the more prominent Mexican warlords who had become an inspiration among beleaguered American farmers angry at corporate land purchases) and other scattered warlords.
But where did things go wrong? The answer lies in the incesteous union of military and capital from the occupations of Central America, as naval officers and army commanders used their strength to strong arm collaborationist forces into sell land and granting concessions. Wilsonian interventionism resulted in the formation of a common market, a common set of business laws, and common restrictions on labor while occupational necessities created vast swaths of road, rail, and port expansions to both move troops and product in, out, and around occupied land. 20 years of unmatched profits followed for businessmen in San Francisco, New York, and New Orleans. Profits that were in turn invested back home, with civilian and military businesses slowly blurring. In the unfettered capitalism of the Roaring 20s, the result was an unstoppable tide of extravagance and dominance for the privileged elite, a remarkable concentration of wealth despite the energetic efforts of the American Socialist Party to stem the tide.
All good things must come to an end however, and when the global depression broke out in 1932 it led to a near-decade of bitter yet futile efforts to intervene in the economy and ease the suffering of the masses. Fear begets anger, and radicalization was the result on both sides. Ironically enough, when a populist candidate won the 1936 elections and formed a popular, and left wing elections in the 1938 midterms- the military/industrial axis struck. In response to promising a broad range of policies including wealth and land distribution, the US navy launched a coup. The opposition did not take it well. General strike became revolution, and the inevitable split between the communists of the cities and those of the farms created new and exciting divisions. In the margins of power warlords sprung up, taking advantage of America's vast hinterland to carve up spaces for themselves. Of these, the Mexican backed Republic of Oklahoma has been the most successful in bringing a modicum of normalcy through pragmatic policies and keeping the oil flowing.
The Second American Civil War has been a sordid affair- a multi sided conflict that has seen the political boundaries rewritten again and again. Bolsheviks form workers councils, harshly stamp out racism with the American Red Army, and redistribute property under a tightly centralized regime in Chicago (pay no mind to the de facto independent Seattle Commune). The Naval Junta, finally running low on cash reserves and increasingly exhausted holding such disparate territory is at the precipice of change; either it will come to an agreement with its enemies, cut its losses and regroup in the east coast, or finally collapse under its own weight. The disparate Zapatista groups, anarchist and agrarian in thought aim to create new societies of mutual aid, land redistribution, and decentralized decision making. The Republic of Mississippi simply seeks to create a homeland for its majority Black citizens and uses any means necessary (and any number of foreign volunteers from the Caribbean) to do so. The Sioux nation (and other Indigenous groups) ironically enough is prospering and profiting off the war- once again the Indigenous have their say. The Mormons in Utah have their fortress and wish to a return to normalcy. And finally, the occupied territories are being put to the usage of their new masters, with Mexico in particular reaping the benefits of becoming the gatekeeper of America's hinterland.
Speaking of which, the dark days of the Second Mexican-American War and occupations have quickly become a distant memory. It is deeply ironic that the tools created to extract wealth and labor for American capital have now become the greatest asset in returning the favor. The Central American Common Market, a Wilsonian project aimed at integrating Central America through standardized labor laws, business harmonization, immigration, tariffs, and the leftover military infraestructural buildup (used to secure territory and shuffle populations around) now have allowed all of Central America and the Antilles to unite against their former overlord under Mexican leadership. The moment the civil war began, a wave of nationalizations of land, resources, and business across Latin America followed, transfering the vast sums of extracted wealth back into the nations they derived from. This was instrumental in gearing up the war machine for intervention. And for what it's worth, 20 years of stability and labor mobility did increase the regional wealth, however lopsided it was. 20 years of easier movement between the nations has united the Hispanophone intelligentsia, drafting new doctrines of integration, regional nationalism, equality and internationalism.
2 years into the civil war and the first CACM forces crossed the border into the borderlands, officially in defense of CACM citizens working as guest workers, but really securing the oil and mineral wealth of the Southwest. All the better to sell to Britain, desperate to keep a steady supply of black gold to fund its own war effort.
European Front Write Up:
Speaking of which, the Great War returns, albeit in a way no one expected. The German Empire and her vassals, exhausted after years of fighting traumatized by the memory of a 2 front war, and finally stepping into a greater democratic governance, has alternated between heavily armed defense and regional detente between their communist neighbors. In 1940, when war breaks out between the Comintern and Britain/France, the government in Germany opts for cautious neutrality rather than immediate intervention.
The Second World War is a conflict between Capitalism, Communism, and Imperialism. The anti colonial rhetoric of the Soviet Union and Red France (and need for buffer states) has led to the strangest of alliances- Persia, the Ottomans, and Morocco are arguably the best examples of this trend, but many a traveller in West Africa has noticed the occasional Soviet/French agent advising Senussi tribal militias on battle doctrine). Reza Shah, Muhammad Kaucen, and Mustafa Pasha, though they make dislike communism on a personal level are all pragmatic enough to recognize the need for strong allies in their modernization campaigns. The Comintern has worked tirelessly to promote the development of allied nations while at the same time strengthen Communist elements in industrialized nations to further the revolution up to including active intervention. It is this interventionist streak that sets off the Second World War, when French advisers were spotted aiding the Republican Spanish forces with volunteers and munitions. This led Britain and Italy to respond, fearful of Communist expansion. By 1942 the Western front is at a stalemate as France juggles its interventions in Italy and Spain while desperately trying not to get the Germans to intervening; proxy war in Switzerland notwithstanding. Britain is stretched thin juggling multiple fronts and desperately trying shore up the flagging Third Republic while bottling up the Soviet Black Sea Fleet and Turkish War Canoes in the Sea of Marmara. Something will have to give eventually.
The Second World War is a conflict between Capitalism, Communism, and Imperialism. The anti colonial rhetoric of the Soviet Union and Red France (and need for buffer states) has led to the strangest of alliances- Persia, the Ottomans, and Morocco are arguably the best examples of this trend, but many a traveller in West Africa has noticed the occasional Soviet/French agent advising Senussi tribal militias on battle doctrine). Reza Shah, Muhammad Kaucen, and Mustafa Pasha, though they make dislike communism on a personal level are all pragmatic enough to recognize the need for strong allies in their modernization campaigns. The Comintern has worked tirelessly to promote the development of allied nations while at the same time strengthen Communist elements in industrialized nations to further the revolution up to including active intervention. It is this interventionist streak that sets off the Second World War, when French advisers were spotted aiding the Republican Spanish forces with volunteers and munitions. This led Britain and Italy to respond, fearful of Communist expansion. By 1942 the Western front is at a stalemate as France juggles its interventions in Italy and Spain while desperately trying not to get the Germans to intervening; proxy war in Switzerland notwithstanding. Britain is stretched thin juggling multiple fronts and desperately trying shore up the flagging Third Republic while bottling up the Soviet Black Sea Fleet and Turkish War Canoes in the Sea of Marmara. Something will have to give eventually.
The Asian Front Write Up:
If the Western Front has devolved into a grinding mess the Asian front is anything but. When the British declared war on France the Soviets declared war on Britain to support their ally. With a stroke of a pen, a regional conflict had become a global one. Japan, Britain's long standing ally and eager to expand their territorial ambitions followed into war. Taisho democracy may have been preserved with the growth provided by Indochina and the Philippines now being open for investment, but that did not deter the IJN and IJA's desire for expansion.
The Asian front has 3 main theaters, the Persian Gulf, Manchuria, and Arabia. As the Chinese Civil War is ongoing, the Fengtian Clique and allied warlords have been able to shore up their position by offering increasingly greater concessions in Manchuria, turning it into a Japanese protectorate in all but name. The Nationalist Government in response has leaned toward the Soviet and French for aid, with their left wing becoming dominant in response. The KMT seek to push north to connect with their allies, while the Fengtien want to finally destroy the southern rabble once and for all. Thus far, Japanese forces seem ascendent but the Soviet war machine has finally geared up. 20+ million men are on the march. And with them comes the single most ambitious industrial project in human history.
Faced with the logistical hassle of trying to defeat the British without being able to beat their navy and an inability to invade, Soviet strategy emphasised destroying British assets and going for peace by exhaustion. This meant the most insane strategy yet: either invading India, where it was assumed colonial revolts would quickly follow and the crown jewel would collapse or invading China, where Russia would need to bring millions of men to fight in the frigid forests to push out the 7 million+ Japanese army. Or invading the Persian and cutting off the supply of oil. Of course Russia would choose "yes" by engineering an insanely rapid industrialization program in Turkey, Iran, Central Asia, and Afghanistan to quickly move troops and supplies across Asia. If the 5 year plans worked well enough in Russia, why not try it elsewhere?
Millions across the Soviet sphere of influence were drafted into labor programs to construct rails, build factories, and supply the war machine. Every gulag prisoner, rowdy tribesman, unlucky villager and volunteer was brought to create a massive rail and port network with work non stop across the clock. The Gilan province of Iran became one of the most dense rail hubs in the world in a few short years, sending men to shore up the 3 Arabian Kingdoms in the fight against Britain. Literary battalions were sent out to educate millions and put them into factories. Cities tripled almost overnight despite bombing runs.
Iran, still a backwater despite Reza Shah's impressive gains was able to leverage this through a rally around the flag effect and several key nationalizations to go from a peripheral state of 20 million into a medium sized industrial power overnight. Turkey's transformation was similarly stunning, building off Mustafa Pasha's rigorous program of modernization. Afghanistan... well Afghanistan was just brutally occupied and its population forcibly moved around cities (either in Afghanistan, Iran, or in Siberia) to provide access to the Khyber Pass. The 3 Arabia's reached growth rates well in the double digits while King Faisal of Syria, Iraq, and Arabia leveraged the outrage to push for the personal union to turn into a real one.
Speaking of which the 3 Arabias, initially set up as a British client under Syrian King Faisal switched sides in the hopes of better concessions and were rewarded with a partial occupation (with British troops in the Hedjaz being unacceptable to the custodian of the 2 mosques) Soviet, Turkish, and Iranian troops responded by lending aid and binding the 3 countries together. The result was the march to Baghdad turned into the retreat into Kuwait and Khuzestan.
These developments are not left unnoticed, and concern in London and Tokyo is quickly mounting. India and the Dominions have been mobilized, but will it be enough to fight against the ever growing hordes? The Soviets have already broken into Pakistan as Manchuria devolves into a frenzy of back and forth fighting. Despite claims that overextension is inevitable, the fear is palpable. Who will blink first?
The Asian front has 3 main theaters, the Persian Gulf, Manchuria, and Arabia. As the Chinese Civil War is ongoing, the Fengtian Clique and allied warlords have been able to shore up their position by offering increasingly greater concessions in Manchuria, turning it into a Japanese protectorate in all but name. The Nationalist Government in response has leaned toward the Soviet and French for aid, with their left wing becoming dominant in response. The KMT seek to push north to connect with their allies, while the Fengtien want to finally destroy the southern rabble once and for all. Thus far, Japanese forces seem ascendent but the Soviet war machine has finally geared up. 20+ million men are on the march. And with them comes the single most ambitious industrial project in human history.
Faced with the logistical hassle of trying to defeat the British without being able to beat their navy and an inability to invade, Soviet strategy emphasised destroying British assets and going for peace by exhaustion. This meant the most insane strategy yet: either invading India, where it was assumed colonial revolts would quickly follow and the crown jewel would collapse or invading China, where Russia would need to bring millions of men to fight in the frigid forests to push out the 7 million+ Japanese army. Or invading the Persian and cutting off the supply of oil. Of course Russia would choose "yes" by engineering an insanely rapid industrialization program in Turkey, Iran, Central Asia, and Afghanistan to quickly move troops and supplies across Asia. If the 5 year plans worked well enough in Russia, why not try it elsewhere?
Millions across the Soviet sphere of influence were drafted into labor programs to construct rails, build factories, and supply the war machine. Every gulag prisoner, rowdy tribesman, unlucky villager and volunteer was brought to create a massive rail and port network with work non stop across the clock. The Gilan province of Iran became one of the most dense rail hubs in the world in a few short years, sending men to shore up the 3 Arabian Kingdoms in the fight against Britain. Literary battalions were sent out to educate millions and put them into factories. Cities tripled almost overnight despite bombing runs.
Iran, still a backwater despite Reza Shah's impressive gains was able to leverage this through a rally around the flag effect and several key nationalizations to go from a peripheral state of 20 million into a medium sized industrial power overnight. Turkey's transformation was similarly stunning, building off Mustafa Pasha's rigorous program of modernization. Afghanistan... well Afghanistan was just brutally occupied and its population forcibly moved around cities (either in Afghanistan, Iran, or in Siberia) to provide access to the Khyber Pass. The 3 Arabia's reached growth rates well in the double digits while King Faisal of Syria, Iraq, and Arabia leveraged the outrage to push for the personal union to turn into a real one.
Speaking of which the 3 Arabias, initially set up as a British client under Syrian King Faisal switched sides in the hopes of better concessions and were rewarded with a partial occupation (with British troops in the Hedjaz being unacceptable to the custodian of the 2 mosques) Soviet, Turkish, and Iranian troops responded by lending aid and binding the 3 countries together. The result was the march to Baghdad turned into the retreat into Kuwait and Khuzestan.
These developments are not left unnoticed, and concern in London and Tokyo is quickly mounting. India and the Dominions have been mobilized, but will it be enough to fight against the ever growing hordes? The Soviets have already broken into Pakistan as Manchuria devolves into a frenzy of back and forth fighting. Despite claims that overextension is inevitable, the fear is palpable. Who will blink first?
The African Front Write Up:
There is a clear winner in the African front, and it is not the Allies.
The Third Republic, long since hanging by a thread since the French Army mutiny in the first world war is finally collapsing. On every front African states such as the Sultanate of Air, the Mandamen Confederacy, the Ashanti Kingdom score surprising success against their former masters. 20+ years of struggle has honed the militias and tribal bands across the Sahel into a powerfully disciplined army, and French Third Republic forces are just stretched too thin and are too unpopular to hold ground despite technical superiority. Morale is… suboptimal. Troops are incredibly war weary. Concessions to the natives are too little and too late. The British are increasingly too occupied to focus on helping up the West African colonies, particularly when they can buy more or less everything they produce from Latin America or Southeast Asia. It is essentially assumed Senegal, Guinea, Togo, Dahomey, and Ivory Coast will fall sooner rather than later, and evacuation plans of French troops and their families are already being drawn up.
Morocco in particular reaps the rewards, sweeping into Spanish land the moment the Republicans begin the fight. Despite obvious hostility to France and Spain, they are not actually at war with Britain, promising no resistance in exchange no for hassle in their conquests. Instead, the British are actively looking to disengage to free up troops elsewhere. Ashantiland already under self government and long having a partially Africanized civil government seized the advantage to rebel and sweep south with little resistance, hoping to strike a deal.
The renewed Bornu Emirate is unfortunately not as successful, with Nigeria deemed a higher priority than the Gold Coast. Mostly for the (newly developed) oil. Of course, both are secondary to East Africa, where the British are following in the mold of their 1920s civil service reforms to increase Africanization rates and improve army recruitment rates.
French Central Africa is ironically enough holding out better, if only because the native population is too far spread out and too far away from the Sahel's power base (and its rubber and mineral reserves are now experiencing enough of a boom to allow the hiring of significant mercenary troops.) The rest of Central Africa is having a development spree coinciding with the rise of gold, copper, and rubber prices.
The Third Republic, long since hanging by a thread since the French Army mutiny in the first world war is finally collapsing. On every front African states such as the Sultanate of Air, the Mandamen Confederacy, the Ashanti Kingdom score surprising success against their former masters. 20+ years of struggle has honed the militias and tribal bands across the Sahel into a powerfully disciplined army, and French Third Republic forces are just stretched too thin and are too unpopular to hold ground despite technical superiority. Morale is… suboptimal. Troops are incredibly war weary. Concessions to the natives are too little and too late. The British are increasingly too occupied to focus on helping up the West African colonies, particularly when they can buy more or less everything they produce from Latin America or Southeast Asia. It is essentially assumed Senegal, Guinea, Togo, Dahomey, and Ivory Coast will fall sooner rather than later, and evacuation plans of French troops and their families are already being drawn up.
Morocco in particular reaps the rewards, sweeping into Spanish land the moment the Republicans begin the fight. Despite obvious hostility to France and Spain, they are not actually at war with Britain, promising no resistance in exchange no for hassle in their conquests. Instead, the British are actively looking to disengage to free up troops elsewhere. Ashantiland already under self government and long having a partially Africanized civil government seized the advantage to rebel and sweep south with little resistance, hoping to strike a deal.
The renewed Bornu Emirate is unfortunately not as successful, with Nigeria deemed a higher priority than the Gold Coast. Mostly for the (newly developed) oil. Of course, both are secondary to East Africa, where the British are following in the mold of their 1920s civil service reforms to increase Africanization rates and improve army recruitment rates.
French Central Africa is ironically enough holding out better, if only because the native population is too far spread out and too far away from the Sahel's power base (and its rubber and mineral reserves are now experiencing enough of a boom to allow the hiring of significant mercenary troops.) The rest of Central Africa is having a development spree coinciding with the rise of gold, copper, and rubber prices.
Footnotes:
1) Canadian Mining Companies are really enjoying looting occupied America
2) Despite technically swearing fealty to Chicago, Seattle really doesn’t want to go to war with Canada
3) Black Wall Street is enjoying the kickbacks of the war economy
4) The KKK are not having fun when the tables have turned
5) Too many people missed the irony when the Mexican troops came. Still, Mexican occupied America is arguably the safest place to be.
6) Philadelphia for once claims the most populated city ranking thanks to refugees.
7) The Commune of St Petersburg is one of the weird hangover from the start of the Revolution. Its kept afloat by Caribbean Volunteers.
8) Fresh from nationalizing all the oil and flexing its muscles in Ecuador with Peru.
9) Having a very happy 1930s.
10) The rare South American CACM member. Turns out communists like international clubs. Who knew?
11) Chile is incredibly nervous being the last holdover of the old school liberal oligarchies.
12) Vargas is a bit more Nasserist in style here.
13) The Algerian Exile community in Morocco really wants an Almoravid border restoration
14) Tunisia may be neutral but that doesn’t mean its actually going bother stopping Algerian rebels from crossing the border.
15) If there’s ever a real winner in this timeline its the Tuaregs. And the Senussi.
16) The last governor of Accra was allowed to see the Golden Stool right before he was executed by an Asantehene firing squad.
17) The Estado Novo is actually starting to buy into its Pluricontinetal propaganda, if only out of sheer fear of repeating the mistake of France
18) Giving South Sudan back its protectorate status showed 2 things: the Dinka are really great troops abroad when motivated, and the Sudanese do not forget
19) Ethiopia is cautiously neutral, being surrounded on all sides.
20) Somehow I feel Egypt isn’t happy about British troops fighting fellow Arabs and their charismatic king.
21) This time the calls for Jihad actually get off the ground.
22) The rapid industrialization of Iran and urbanization has left a deep simmering discontent as centuries of societal traditions have been rapidly upended in a few years. Thankfully, several million Soviet/Iranian/Turkish/etc troops make sure everyone is nice and compliant.
23) Prime Minister Inonu is happy to lend Kurdish and other non Turkish guest workers to Soviet factories.
24) Proxy war in Switzerland aside, Germany seems pretty serious about being neutral.
25) Thankfully for the Kingdom of Spain, the French Fourth Republic has no problems crushing anarchists for them
26) The Politburo hopes that all these labor migration can be used to better create “favorable” ethnic borders.
27) Afghanistan is proud to announce its pesky nomadic population has been reduced to virtually nil, its urban population rate has surpassed pre mongol levels, and literacy rates have never been higher. All it took was deporting and shooting almost 1 million people.
28) There have been some sporadic clashes between the KMT and British troops but let’s be honest no one really wants to fight in Burma.
29) Vietnam prefers Japanese hegemony to Chinese rule and so happily gives them all their needed raw materials.
30) The First Philippine Republic is doing a lot better than expected from a hastily assembled collection of warlords.
31) The Javan insurgency is uncomfortably well trained and armed. Something’s not right.
32) The Ma Clique has turned Qinghai into Switzerland. For now.
2) Despite technically swearing fealty to Chicago, Seattle really doesn’t want to go to war with Canada
3) Black Wall Street is enjoying the kickbacks of the war economy
4) The KKK are not having fun when the tables have turned
5) Too many people missed the irony when the Mexican troops came. Still, Mexican occupied America is arguably the safest place to be.
6) Philadelphia for once claims the most populated city ranking thanks to refugees.
7) The Commune of St Petersburg is one of the weird hangover from the start of the Revolution. Its kept afloat by Caribbean Volunteers.
8) Fresh from nationalizing all the oil and flexing its muscles in Ecuador with Peru.
9) Having a very happy 1930s.
10) The rare South American CACM member. Turns out communists like international clubs. Who knew?
11) Chile is incredibly nervous being the last holdover of the old school liberal oligarchies.
12) Vargas is a bit more Nasserist in style here.
13) The Algerian Exile community in Morocco really wants an Almoravid border restoration
14) Tunisia may be neutral but that doesn’t mean its actually going bother stopping Algerian rebels from crossing the border.
15) If there’s ever a real winner in this timeline its the Tuaregs. And the Senussi.
16) The last governor of Accra was allowed to see the Golden Stool right before he was executed by an Asantehene firing squad.
17) The Estado Novo is actually starting to buy into its Pluricontinetal propaganda, if only out of sheer fear of repeating the mistake of France
18) Giving South Sudan back its protectorate status showed 2 things: the Dinka are really great troops abroad when motivated, and the Sudanese do not forget
19) Ethiopia is cautiously neutral, being surrounded on all sides.
20) Somehow I feel Egypt isn’t happy about British troops fighting fellow Arabs and their charismatic king.
21) This time the calls for Jihad actually get off the ground.
22) The rapid industrialization of Iran and urbanization has left a deep simmering discontent as centuries of societal traditions have been rapidly upended in a few years. Thankfully, several million Soviet/Iranian/Turkish/etc troops make sure everyone is nice and compliant.
23) Prime Minister Inonu is happy to lend Kurdish and other non Turkish guest workers to Soviet factories.
24) Proxy war in Switzerland aside, Germany seems pretty serious about being neutral.
25) Thankfully for the Kingdom of Spain, the French Fourth Republic has no problems crushing anarchists for them
26) The Politburo hopes that all these labor migration can be used to better create “favorable” ethnic borders.
27) Afghanistan is proud to announce its pesky nomadic population has been reduced to virtually nil, its urban population rate has surpassed pre mongol levels, and literacy rates have never been higher. All it took was deporting and shooting almost 1 million people.
28) There have been some sporadic clashes between the KMT and British troops but let’s be honest no one really wants to fight in Burma.
29) Vietnam prefers Japanese hegemony to Chinese rule and so happily gives them all their needed raw materials.
30) The First Philippine Republic is doing a lot better than expected from a hastily assembled collection of warlords.
31) The Javan insurgency is uncomfortably well trained and armed. Something’s not right.
32) The Ma Clique has turned Qinghai into Switzerland. For now.
Puerto de Ivo
Just A Man From Rohan - Recovering from ACTs
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Johnny, get you gun, get your gun, get your gun~
Take it on the run, on the run, on the run~
The crowd had gathered to see the passing Archduke, the man who was destined to take the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the man, who's ideas seemed odd and contradictory to his personality, that might just be able to save the realm as it stood. This, however, would go up with the blaring of three bullets from an unknown assailant. Three rounds in quick succession, one shattering the window, and the other two striking the archduke center in his chest. Three shots, over fifty million dead. The Sarajevo Killer vanished, moving through the crowd like a shade, and fading away into the cityscape to never be found again. It was assumed by the government in Vienna that this was a radicalized Serb, seeking retribution for the Austrians holding Slavic lands, but the Austrians knew about retribution. An ultimatum was given to Serbia, and even though the minor nation agreed to most of it, it wasn't enough for the Emperor. Troops mobilized, treaties were signed, and the rumblings of war began to shudder across the European continent. History though, has an odd way of skewing events. What should have been a self contained scrap over the Balkans erupted into full scale war, the World War, as German historians would later put it. Putting down the upstart Germans became the point of view of the Entente, and as Russian troops began to roar to Berlin and through Galicia, as the French held the line at Alsace, and the British Empire began to bring all four corners of the globe down on the Reich, everyone seemed to have been willing to forget two very important things. One, there were neutral nations in this world, namely America. Two, the Austrians were the ones who originally declared, not the Germans. This, however, would prove vital. Any trade going to the Allied powers was to be stopped, at the command of the Kaiser, a policy of unrestricted submarine warfare was allowed, and thus, American ships were sunk, American sailors were killed, the American people? Enraged.
The slumbering giant that was the United States came onto the worldstage with the force of a crashing Goliath, with Texans, Hoosiers, Californians, New Yorkers, anyone and everyone that could sign up, now landing in western France and making their way to the front. The trench warfare was slow, laboured, but it was moving, inch by inch, mile by mile, day by day, German regional capitals would fall to the steady advance of the Allies, the Turks were being knocked out of Africa, the Arabs came to the British cause, and the entire world had seemed to turn on these paragons of the old order.
Once the dust settled, and the Entente had time to count their dead, there was a cry for revenge, there was a rage against those that had drug them screaming into this conflict. The Austrians, forgotten, left to keep the cobbles of their realm together, remained as a rump state of their former expanse. The Ottomans had fallen in their own time, collapsing under the wartime stresses, with the Sultan barely holding onto Anatolia with a steady hand, losing even Istanbul during the treaty as an independent and neutral "Straits Republic". Germany, poor damned Germany, was unrecognizable. The title of Empire was abolished, the crown taken from both Prussia and Berlin, the concept of Germany itself was nearly abolished as well, being pushed to an antiquated status quo that saw a government known as the German Confederal Union put in place. A loose association of formerly Imperial provinces and states of the Empire, now free and independent, trying to find the line between being German and their regional identity. Some of these states forged from the flames were quick to adapt, such as the Republic of the Rhineland, who took to independence well, compared to the Prussian Republic, who suffered an electoral gridlock the first free election attempted to be held in the nation. The Russians took vast swaths of the east, the Tsar sitting on a throne of prestige and wartime glory.
The German Reich was no more. In it's place stood a shattered realm, in it's place stood a shaky peace, in it's place stood a future war.
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Now, before you say it, I know a WI The Entente Had Won TGW is really overdone, especially on this site, but I had to give my hand at it. I tried to be unique with how I handled the situation, trying to get America into the conflict is much trickier than you would think, but I hope this is a good enough justification. I also think that avoiding the Rust Belt Riots was a bit of a fun twist, keeping the Americans close to the UK. I'm looking forward to working on more of this, and would love to see if you all would love a full TL of this, but as I said, I know it's overdone. Makes you think though, it would be odd to go to Berlin and not see the black-white-red.
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OOC:
Heya all! I wanted to try my hand at the concept of a DBWI map, the author coming from a world where the Central Powers won WW1. I was just curious to see if I could do the idea justice, and I really like the setting if I can be honest. If you have any questions please throw them my way, this is the first map I've made in a while that I have really liked! Been thinking about writing an actual DBWI TL based off of this world, but, that's still up in the air.
POD: America joining the Great War.
Just A Man From Rohan - Recovering from ACTs
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Johnny, get you gun, get your gun, get your gun~
Take it on the run, on the run, on the run~
The crowd had gathered to see the passing Archduke, the man who was destined to take the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the man, who's ideas seemed odd and contradictory to his personality, that might just be able to save the realm as it stood. This, however, would go up with the blaring of three bullets from an unknown assailant. Three rounds in quick succession, one shattering the window, and the other two striking the archduke center in his chest. Three shots, over fifty million dead. The Sarajevo Killer vanished, moving through the crowd like a shade, and fading away into the cityscape to never be found again. It was assumed by the government in Vienna that this was a radicalized Serb, seeking retribution for the Austrians holding Slavic lands, but the Austrians knew about retribution. An ultimatum was given to Serbia, and even though the minor nation agreed to most of it, it wasn't enough for the Emperor. Troops mobilized, treaties were signed, and the rumblings of war began to shudder across the European continent. History though, has an odd way of skewing events. What should have been a self contained scrap over the Balkans erupted into full scale war, the World War, as German historians would later put it. Putting down the upstart Germans became the point of view of the Entente, and as Russian troops began to roar to Berlin and through Galicia, as the French held the line at Alsace, and the British Empire began to bring all four corners of the globe down on the Reich, everyone seemed to have been willing to forget two very important things. One, there were neutral nations in this world, namely America. Two, the Austrians were the ones who originally declared, not the Germans. This, however, would prove vital. Any trade going to the Allied powers was to be stopped, at the command of the Kaiser, a policy of unrestricted submarine warfare was allowed, and thus, American ships were sunk, American sailors were killed, the American people? Enraged.
The slumbering giant that was the United States came onto the worldstage with the force of a crashing Goliath, with Texans, Hoosiers, Californians, New Yorkers, anyone and everyone that could sign up, now landing in western France and making their way to the front. The trench warfare was slow, laboured, but it was moving, inch by inch, mile by mile, day by day, German regional capitals would fall to the steady advance of the Allies, the Turks were being knocked out of Africa, the Arabs came to the British cause, and the entire world had seemed to turn on these paragons of the old order.
Once the dust settled, and the Entente had time to count their dead, there was a cry for revenge, there was a rage against those that had drug them screaming into this conflict. The Austrians, forgotten, left to keep the cobbles of their realm together, remained as a rump state of their former expanse. The Ottomans had fallen in their own time, collapsing under the wartime stresses, with the Sultan barely holding onto Anatolia with a steady hand, losing even Istanbul during the treaty as an independent and neutral "Straits Republic". Germany, poor damned Germany, was unrecognizable. The title of Empire was abolished, the crown taken from both Prussia and Berlin, the concept of Germany itself was nearly abolished as well, being pushed to an antiquated status quo that saw a government known as the German Confederal Union put in place. A loose association of formerly Imperial provinces and states of the Empire, now free and independent, trying to find the line between being German and their regional identity. Some of these states forged from the flames were quick to adapt, such as the Republic of the Rhineland, who took to independence well, compared to the Prussian Republic, who suffered an electoral gridlock the first free election attempted to be held in the nation. The Russians took vast swaths of the east, the Tsar sitting on a throne of prestige and wartime glory.
The German Reich was no more. In it's place stood a shattered realm, in it's place stood a shaky peace, in it's place stood a future war.
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Now, before you say it, I know a WI The Entente Had Won TGW is really overdone, especially on this site, but I had to give my hand at it. I tried to be unique with how I handled the situation, trying to get America into the conflict is much trickier than you would think, but I hope this is a good enough justification. I also think that avoiding the Rust Belt Riots was a bit of a fun twist, keeping the Americans close to the UK. I'm looking forward to working on more of this, and would love to see if you all would love a full TL of this, but as I said, I know it's overdone. Makes you think though, it would be odd to go to Berlin and not see the black-white-red.
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Heya all! I wanted to try my hand at the concept of a DBWI map, the author coming from a world where the Central Powers won WW1. I was just curious to see if I could do the idea justice, and I really like the setting if I can be honest. If you have any questions please throw them my way, this is the first map I've made in a while that I have really liked! Been thinking about writing an actual DBWI TL based off of this world, but, that's still up in the air.
POD: America joining the Great War.
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It's very credible-- you've nailed the details that make for realism, I think. An author from a CP victory world (which presumably occurred faster than the war's end in OTL) would be living in a world where the USSR never happened, where imperialism may well have been less discredited/damaged, and where things like the Arab revolt were crushed. All this would make that author tend towards a more 'conservative' estimate of what an Entente victory TL would look like. Tsarist Russia remains, the Habsburg monarchy isn't doomed, Germany (the big winner in CP victory world) gets to be the big loser and is dismantled, the Arab uprising is only a partial success... Even the fact that someone like Atatürk can't just be predicted (CP victory world sees the Ottomans stay in power, so Mustafa Kemal never gains his OTL prominence) leads to a believably worse-off Turkey in the imagined world where it is on the losing side.
Yeah, if I lived in CP victory world, this is what I'd expect an Entente victory world to look like. And if somone described OTL as it actually turned out to be, I'd call that implausible. Way too many wacky twists, you know? Communism taking over Russia? Get real!
I'm honestly really happy that you like it! I tried to look at what we take as historical consistencies, such as the collapse of AH, hellish Middle East, and the exactness of Post WW1 fuckery, and throw most of that out the window. From a CP perspective, it's unfathomable. Even in a total occupation scenario, the CP world author would still be faulted to the historical assumptions of his world.It's very credible-- you've nailed the details that make for realism, I think. An author from a CP victory world (which presumably occurred faster than the war's end in OTL) would be living in a world where the USSR never happened, where imperialism may well have been less discredited/damaged, and where things like the Arab revolt were crushed. All this would make that author tend towards a more 'conservative' estimate of what an Entente victory TL would look like. Tsarist Russia remains, the Habsburg monarchy isn't doomed, Germany (the big winner in CP victory world) gets to be the big loser and is dismantled, the Arab uprising is only a partial success... Even the fact that someone like Atatürk can't just be predicted (CP victory world sees the Ottomans stay in power, so Mustafa Kemal never gains his OTL prominence) leads to a believably worse-off Turkey in the imagined world where it is on the losing side.
Yeah, if I lived in CP victory world, this is what I'd expect an Entente victory world to look like. And if somone described OTL as it actually turned out to be, I'd call that implausible. Way too many wacky twists, you know? Communism taking over Russia? Get real!
There's some concepts that would be able to remain, of course there's gonna be pissed people in the former Reich, there will be a spike of nationalism, but far from what we saw. Someone like Hitler? Unimaginable from a CP Victory. Most "Great Men" that we saw in our Post-WW1 world just wouldn't make sense to have any purpose in a CP World.
I'm really glad you like it, I'm glad you think I nailed the feel. Thanks, bud!
Religion Map.
Uses TURCS
Note as well: India and Tibet might not be accurate, due to those areas remaining untouched by my timeline...yet
Is there a key or guide to what religion’s what on the map?
A work in progress.
Featuring Luxemburgist Germany exploiting the collapse of the Russian Empire, Monarchist France that reclaimed the Spanish throne, and Mosleyist Britain.
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